Should I buy Empire Total war even though the demo fails to even open on my comp

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#1 chansaet
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OK so I waited forever for Empire Total War to come out. When the demo 1st came out I DL it immediatly. But the demo never evened opened. My rig far surpasses the reccomended requirement so that is not the issue. At first I got the message "Empire Total War is stopped working" now when i try to run the game it says "The game is currently unavabilbe. Please try again later"

So if you were me would you risk it? So far I haven't.

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#2 slabber44
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I also had trouble with the demo through Steam. My rig is well above also. The only problem is I have not purchased the game so I can't say it will work for you. I know many people who have gotten it through Steam and have no issues.

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#3 RiseAgainst12
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No save yourself the money, the game is trash. Even if you rig meets more than the recommended settings it still suffers heavily from bugs and slow down. The game for me is unplayable and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Go for There earlier titles, Rome or medieval 2.

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#4 flipin_jackass
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No, to me a demo has two main purpose: 1) to see if it'll work on my rig and 2) if i'll like the game. Should the game fail in one of those, I wouldn't spend me money on it.
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#5 zomglolcats
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No, to me a demo has two main purpose: 1) to see if it'll work on my rig and 2) if i'll like the game. Should the game fail in one of those, I wouldn't spend me money on it.flipin_jackass
I also hate it when companies don't bother to update their demos. I mean really, if you release a buggy game, and make lots of improvements with patches... why would you want an outdated and buggy demo floating around for people to make purchasing decisions on?
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#6 SpiralStairsS
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I don't know, I've never had a problem with games being unavabilbe before.
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#7 Fuzzy_Bear123
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The games is trash, don't buy it. It's a really disappointing effort by CA.

Edit: Grammar

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#8 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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Buy Medieval 2: Total War instead. That may sound counterproductive since the game is older but it is cheaper, has more content, looks better (not graphically but Empire has a thing where a lot of units are clones while this isn't a big problem in Medieval 2), is a more interesting time period and has a much larger modding community. The demo for that is also on steam by the way if you are worried about running it.

Edit:Medieval 2 is also not the buggy mess that Empire is since the AI actually works.

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#9 DigiTM73
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Since the all the patches, I have found the game much better. It does demand a good rig to run with all settings ultra though. When it was first released it was a shocker where diplomacy and trade, and sieges wouldn't work properly. All been fixed. If your rig has the requirements to run, it is a very good RTS game. It's like ARMA 2, the demo was buggy which deters people from it, yet with the latest patches a lot of bugs have been eradicated. As an above post says, they should update a demo if there were a lot of bug patches.

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#10 chansaet
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Buy Medieval 2: Total War instead. That may sound counterproductive since the game is older but it is cheaper, has more content, looks better (not graphically but Empire has a thing where a lot of units are clones while this isn't a big problem in Medieval 2), is a more interesting time period and has a much larger modding community. The demo for that is also on steam by the way if you are worried about running it.

Edit:Medieval 2 is also not the buggy mess that Empire is since the AI actually works.

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I already have Medieval 2.
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#11 stele29
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Its a good game. Its been patched. Most of its problems have been worked out. I can say its finally worth the money, considering i've been playing it non-stop of three days now and I love it. However, there are a few points to make. One, it isn't perfect, but neither was Medieval II when it game out. Two, it is a system hog..and this could be a deal breaker for some people. The battles themselves run fine, but turns take forever to execute. This is made worse with slow cpus. Bottom line, it isn't perfect but its by far from bad. For some reason many people on this board put games in two categories. They either consider it the greatest or its absolute trash. Empire had some growing pains so people boycott it? Lets just let the game ride on its on merits. If your a TW fan, then Empire is a must have, even given its problems. If your just a casual TW player, then no its probably not. In that case go buy either Rome or Med 2, since those are more polished experiences. If you find it on sale, then all the better.
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#12 Shatilov
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I think that you should pass up on this game. it's very buggy, & they also dropped all future patches/support for it, the only patch is the last recent one v1.5. This was the last major patch that the developers did.
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#13 deactivated-64b76bd048860
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Empire was 24.99 this week on Steam because they were celebrating the release of the Warpath campaign so I would have recommended that you get it then. For 50 bucks, I will say probably not. The campaign AI is a bit better now, but the battle AI is still completely broken... 1.5 is the last major patch, but they can still release little fixes and stuff but I doubt that they will fix the battle AI, multiplayer, and bring the multiplayer campaign. If they would just release some official mod tools, maybe the huge modding community could fix it.
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#14 stele29
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I think that you should pass up on this game. it's very buggy, & they also dropped all future patches/support for it, the only patch is the last recent one v1.5. This was the last major patch that the developers did. Shatilov
v1.5 is the last "planned" major patch. It is still very possible (and likely) that smaller bug fixes will come. If people continue to disuade others from buying what is in its total form a good product, then in a way your telling the developers to abandon it. What i'm going to say now is a guess, but i'm willing to bet that we will see at least one more expansion which will make the Thirteen colonies playable in the grand campaign as well as open more of the world up for conquering. The reason I say this is because Empire still has room to grow and TW Napoleon is a much more focused game, concentrating on troop movement and much smaller times. I think that Rome II TW is the next in the global conquest series.
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#15 DigiTM73
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Since the latest patch I have found to AI to be pretty good. Last battle I fought, the enemy only had 3x small platoons on the hill. they sent 2x forward, which I attacked. The general was up on the hill staying away, and then he sent his groups in retreat mode. I was silly in that I decided to send ALL my troops after them. Going up to the hill where the General was, I come to suddenly see an overwhelming number suddenly appear over the rise. The entire enemy army was hiding in an ambush awaiting my move. Thus I forced myself to retreat and lost many a man and horse. :(

Funny thing is, if I decided to just wait the enemy out to come and attack it prob would've lasted for hours. He was really just sitting and waiting for me to make a mistake. I can't see what people are saying about AI being bad.

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#16 Shatilov
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[QUOTE="Shatilov"]I think that you should pass up on this game. it's very buggy, & they also dropped all future patches/support for it, the only patch is the last recent one v1.5. This was the last major patch that the developers did. stele29
v1.5 is the last "planned" major patch. It is still very possible (and likely) that smaller bug fixes will come. If people continue to disuade others from buying what is in its total form a good product, then in a way your telling the developers to abandon it.

I hope you are right, & yes the game is very much different after the 1.5 patch, many issues are fixed & made the game more playable.
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#17 the_mitch28
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It's a really good game, people seem to have lots of problems with it but I've never had much trouble with it on my very modest system. I bought the collectors edition on release for $120AUD (approx $108USD) and I do not regret my purchase at all.

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#18 Bedizen
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If you exceed the minimum specs, then your comp will run it but you will be disappointed.

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[QUOTE="stele29"]Its a good game. Its been patched. Most of its problems have been worked out. I can say its finally worth the money, considering i've been playing it non-stop of three days now and I love it. However, there are a few points to make. One, it isn't perfect, but neither was Medieval II when it game out. Two, it is a system hog..and this could be a deal breaker for some people. The battles themselves run fine, but turns take forever to execute. This is made worse with slow cpus. Bottom line, it isn't perfect but its by far from bad. For some reason many people on this board put games in two categories. They either consider it the greatest or its absolute trash. Empire had some growing pains so people boycott it? Lets just let the game ride on its on merits. If your a TW fan, then Empire is a must have, even given its problems. If your just a casual TW player, then no its probably not. In that case go buy either Rome or Med 2, since those are more polished experiences. If you find it on sale, then all the better.

The game is next to unplayable, and the fact that this is whats left from there 'finnished patches' is a joke. Units glitch to many times to keep you playing, this includes them failing to fire, horrible path finding, stringing themselves into a line 1 deep to walk to a location, getting stuck inside building and i could go on. Not to mention piss-poor animation which means your men and the enemy all clump into one mass ball when fighting (and i mean by that they glitch inside another soldier so it ends up being 1 soldier dieing countless times. Do not waste your money TC.. if you have medieval stick with it and wait for Napoleon.. then wait to see if they can actual do it right.
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#20 the_mitch28
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Lol "unplayable" you people need to calm down. The game is very playable, sure you run into the occasional glitch but it's by no means "unplayable". As the problem with most games, the people who have trouble playing it are a lot more vocal compared to those who don't.

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#21 RiseAgainst12
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Lol "unplayable" you people need to calm down. The game is very playable, sure you run into the occasional glitch but it's by no means "unplayable". As the problem with most games, the people who have trouble playing it are a lot more vocal compared to those who don't.

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Well 7 hours i have been playing it and yes it is very much unplayable. How can you play a strategy game that fails to follow your moves? you can't garrison in buildings because they may get stuck, you soldiers will stare cavalry as they charge at them without firing a bullet, and the path finding is atrocious (for example i tried to flank with 2 units of linemen instead they formed an orderly line across the entire map and would not move after that.. stuck in place and completely useless.) So yea the game is unplayable for anyone that wants a decent strategy game. Sure if you play it in the sense were you steam roll everything with no real strategy then by all means it may be slightly playable...
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#22 longello
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DO NOT BUY Empire Total War !

I got the game on launch and its now collecting dust because its too buggy and broken to play, a testment to the newfound crapiness of Creative Assembly.

AI is terrible and the game runs really badly on my HD4870 ... and to think I have been playing their games since Rome : TW.

Don't waste your money on ETW .... it is pre-beta garbage.

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#23 strawdogstudios
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I had all the problems RiseAgainst12 had and they weren't occasional. Putting troops on city walls is a farce as is the pathfinding and much of the AI. Just got the patch so hopefully some of that is fixed - not to hopeful though. Much preferred Rome (then Medieval 2).
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#24 stele29
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Whats funny is that I've played so much Empire that when I go back to Med II I realize how far basic gameplay has come. I won't argue A.I., but I prefer the way Empire handles region control and rebellion. The ability to control individual town development goes along way to ultimately assimilating new territory once acquired militarily. Hopefully Napoleon only makes these features even better. :)
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#25 shivR
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My brother has the game, it looks cool but still the same thing as the older games I haven't seen any improvements. I wouldn't buy it if I were you because of the fact that some parts of your computer including the video card may not support the game. My comp is a 2.93 GHz i7 with 6 Gigs of RAM and two 300 GB 10,00 RPM SATA Drives and a GTX 295. I tried to play Far Cry 2 on my brand new comp and it keeps failing I don't even get into the game. I called support and did every update possible the problem? My video card was too new and didnt support the game.

If the demo didn't work on your computer I would not buy the game. I usually try and buy things through steam now and let their patching systems help and update my games but if the demo doesn't work there is no guarantee. Also Vista 64 bit wreaks havoc if you have it.