Should PC gamers unite to deffend their rights !?

I ask you people should PC gamers unite and make something similiar to working sindicate ? Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody. Just lets take Arena Net behavior. Just watch Kripparrion video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUeBMccz-PDZf6OB4aV6a3eA&v=OMTmBrwmjf0&feature=player_embedded , numerious examples from EA they buy really good frenchies and company and then they exploit gamers to buy their crap products,... jut take example of newest C&C products from EA 17th Aniversery of C&C 50 bucks for old mostly Westwood games. ....... And there are many many more examples !?

What rights are we supposed to have?

If you don't like a company's business practices, don't buy from them. Nobody forces you to play a game.

Meh they're private companies, they just ruined classic franchises, it's all about marketing and money.

Just like nike turned converse into a cheapish quality overpriced footwear.

And what rights are we supossed to have? I'd vote for cold sprite supply coming from a tube.

I ask you people should PC gamers unite and make something similiar to working sindicate ? Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody. Just lets take Arena Net behavior. Just watch Kripparrion video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUeBMccz-PDZf6OB4aV6a3eA&v=OMTmBrwmjf0&feature=player_embedded , numerious examples from EA they buy really good frenchies and company and then they exploit gamers to buy their crap products,... jut take example of newest C&C products from EA 17th Aniversery of C&C 50 bucks for old mostly Westwood games. ....... And there are many many more examples !?

Assimilat0r

Those players violated the T&C either knowingly or unknowingly, and bought mismarked items in the bulk to gain a tremedous advantage over other players -- and in a PvP centric game, that's a big difference. But by signing the T&C to use their product, the end user agree that any and all access to the service is dictated by the entity it belongs to. So....children acting like children.

We have rights. The right to choose what we buy and what we don't buy. That's the only rights a gamer needs. It's time to start exercising those rights.SKaREO

Some people didn't know about the existence of that right so they were buying every mainstream full priced year release helplessly

OP, you're an idiot. That is all since others were able to say what I could not already.

You can defend your rights aka wallet listening to me. 90% of the games released today are utter garbage and overrated.

today Gamers suffers more then anybody.Assimilat0r

Somehow I doubt that...

This is laughably pathetic. Everyone before me has covered the why pretty well. If anything, I think internet users with higher than a 4th grade education should unite to DEFEND proper spelling.

Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody.

Assimilat0r

I can't even muster up a response to this.

Gamers have little to no backbone in all honesty.

This is laughably pathetic. Everyone before me has covered the why pretty well. If anything, I think internet users with higher than a 4th grade education should unite to DEFEND proper spelling.

the_bi99man

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

This is laughably pathetic. Everyone before me has covered the why pretty well. If anything, I think internet users with higher than a 4th grade education should unite to DEFEND proper spelling.

ionusX

Oh is that what this is all about?:lol:

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

This is laughably pathetic. Everyone before me has covered the why pretty well. If anything, I think internet users with higher than a 4th grade education should unite to DEFEND proper spelling.

the_bi99man

Oh is that what this is all about?:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC43XVTlgc4

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Oh is that what this is all about?:lol:

ionusX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC43XVTlgc4

Hahaha. Fantastic.

I don't understand how people can listen to idiots who post videos of themselves talking in Youtube. Mostly they just say stupid things. Miroku32

It's like the mandatory cast interview moments in some crappy reality show. Except without the script.

You, myself, and all other gamers, PC and console, have the right to purchase and not purchase a game. That's all the rights we have, unless I am missing something.

You, myself, and all other gamers, PC and console, have the right to purchase and not purchase a game. That's all the rights we have, unless I am missing something.

arto1223

poor OP, brought it upon himself.

EA is a great company and you should like their games. They've taken franchises like Battlefield, Command & Conquer, and the soon to be released SimCity and made them even better by removing boring single player content and adding social features(tm) that let you connect and share with your friends seamlessly!

And there's no reason to ever be bored with one of our fine games because we always offer new ways for you to give us your money. Say, for example, you want to give us your money while playing Mass Effect 3. No problem! Just purchase Bioware points with an approved credit card and you can unlock special gambling boxes that might give you something worthwhile!

The boring old days of just buying a game and playing it are over, that's for sure. Because EA is taking gaming into the future!

EA is a great company and you should like their games. They've taken franchises like Battlefield, Command & Conquer, and the soon to be released SimCity and made them even better by removing boring single player content and adding social features(tm) that let you connect and share with your friends seamlessly!

And there's no reason to ever be bored with one of our fine games because we always offer new ways for you to give us your money. Say, for example, you want to give us your money while playing Mass Effect 3. No problem! Just purchase Bioware points with an approved credit card and you can unlock special gambling boxes that might give you something worthwhile!

The boring old days of just buying a game and playing it are over, that's for sure. Because EA is taking gaming into the future!

xLittlekillx

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

EA is a great company and you should like their games. They've taken franchises like Battlefield, Command & Conquer, and the soon to be released SimCity and made them even better by removing boring single player content and adding social features(tm) that let you connect and share with your friends seamlessly!

And there's no reason to ever be bored with one of our fine games because we always offer new ways for you to give us your money. Say, for example, you want to give us your money while playing Mass Effect 3. No problem! Just purchase Bioware points with an approved credit card and you can unlock special gambling boxes that might give you something worthwhile!

The boring old days of just buying a game and playing it are over, that's for sure. Because EA is taking gaming into the future!

alan_carter

Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody.

Assimilat0r

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody.

spittis

Bahahahaha! That's a good one.

To the OP: You obviously posted this due to having been banned from GW2 that you posted yesterday about. Give it a break, already.

I watched the video, and I honestly can't believe these things are considered exploits. All people did was buy materials, craft things, and then sell them to the vendor. It is clearly within the game's functionality. There is no trick, there is no 3rd party hack or program. Why are players being punished for developer mistakes in balancing things? I'm so happy that I didn't spend money on this game. In the real world, this is just business. For example, furniture companies buy wood, build furniture with it, and then sell it for profit.

The perma-bans for buying certain items with karma points is an even bigger outrage. All people did, was see a weapon for sale, and they bought it. How can anyone justify that as an exploit? It just does not compute in my brain. I have been playing MMORPGs for 13 years, and never, ever did I fracking worry that I might get banned for simply walking up to a vendor, and spending currency to buy items there. If you guys call that an exploit, you have a lot of explaining to do.

Wow. I read these post thinking that like the vote there would be people who wanted such an idiotic thing as special rights for gamers only to find 99% of the posts where pro-wallet talking. I wasn't going to post cause that's how I think but I had to point out the vote. Not all of them can be sarcasm, can they?

We don't have any "gaming rights".

TC is probably no more than 13

I watched the video, and I honestly can't believe these things are considered exploits. All people did was buy materials, craft things, and then sell them to the vendor. It is clearly within the game's functionality. There is no trick, there is no 3rd party hack or program. Why are players being punished for developer mistakes in balancing things? I'm so happy that I didn't spend money on this game. In the real world, this is just business. For example, furniture companies buy wood, build furniture with it, and then sell it for profit.

The perma-bans for buying certain items with karma points is an even bigger outrage. All people did, was see a weapon for sale, and they bought it. How can anyone justify that as an exploit? It just does not compute in my brain. I have been playing MMORPGs for 13 years, and never, ever did I fracking worry that I might get banned for simply walking up to a vendor, and spending currency to buy items there. If you guys call that an exploit, you have a lot of explaining to do.

Falconoffury

I loved the bit where one player in reddit said 'I must have bought over 600...' and their support team responded a moment later saying 'Yes - 646, to be exact.' DATABASES!Makari

:lol:

Get a **** clue.

Gamers are gamers. Does not matter what you play them on aslong as they stay GAMES.

The only real excuse people have is "we're used to being able to get away with this kind of thing,"Makari

No, the excuse is, players are using in-game functionality. Seeing stuff that is cheap and buying it is a business opportunity, not an exploit. Players should not be responsible for knowing what are "fair" prices. Such a thing is totally subjective and open to debate. Let me provide some examples from past games.

I remember in the first months of Asheron's Call, the vendor rates for buying and selling varied widely from town to town. People would buy peerless lockpicks from one town, run for a few hours to another town, and make an easy 30% on their money. It took many months before Turbine fixed this bug. Nobody got banned, and nobody even lost the pyreals they made. When they started the gambling houses, they also messed up because you could buy the gambling tokens and sell them in a town for a big profit. They fixed that bug in a month, and also, nobody got banned for it.

Players shouldn't get banned for developers making stupid mistakes on the value of items. Players should be expected to use whatever advantage they can find within the functionality of the game.

I watched the video, and I honestly can't believe these things are considered exploits. All people did was buy materials, craft things, and then sell them to the vendor. It is clearly within the game's functionality. There is no trick, there is no 3rd party hack or program. Why are players being punished for developer mistakes in balancing things? I'm so happy that I didn't spend money on this game. In the real world, this is just business. For example, furniture companies buy wood, build furniture with it, and then sell it for profit.

The perma-bans for buying certain items with karma points is an even bigger outrage. All people did, was see a weapon for sale, and they bought it. How can anyone justify that as an exploit? It just does not compute in my brain. I have been playing MMORPGs for 13 years, and never, ever did I fracking worry that I might get banned for simply walking up to a vendor, and spending currency to buy items there. If you guys call that an exploit, you have a lot of explaining to do.

Falconoffury

[QUOTE="Makari"]The only real excuse people have is "we're used to being able to get away with this kind of thing,"Falconoffury

No, the excuse is, players are using in-game functionality. Seeing stuff that is cheap and buying it is a business opportunity, not an exploit. Players should not be responsible for knowing what are "fair" prices. Such a thing is totally subjective and open to debate. Let me provide some examples from past games.

I remember in the first months of Asheron's Call, the vendor rates for buying and selling varied widely from town to town. People would buy peerless lockpicks from one town, run for a few hours to another town, and make an easy 30% on their money. It took many months before Turbine fixed this bug. Nobody got banned, and nobody even lost the pyreals they made. When they started the gambling houses, they also messed up because you could buy the gambling tokens and sell them in a town for a big profit. They fixed that bug in a month, and also, nobody got banned for it.

Players shouldn't get banned for developers making stupid mistakes on the value of items. Players should be expected to use whatever advantage they can find within the functionality of the game.

The best thing you can do is not buy games from companies you don't like. For profit companies really only care about their bottom line.

Makari, again, you are still ignoring the fact that all people did was go to a vendor, and buy things. No tricks, no third party programs or hacks. Arenanet responded by PERMANENTLY banning these people. We are talking thousands of players who spent $60 on this game just days prior. Now, I can understand if they downloaded some "Damn Cheaters" or "MMO Ninja" type hacking program, but all they did was buy stuff from a vendor. I cannot repeat that enough. A line has to be drawn somewhere in the way of exploiting and the type of punishment it deserves. Not everything that players do to get advantages in a game should be considered "exploiting". Some of these exploits, like the one in question here, are so easy to do, the blame needs to lay squarely on Arenanet's shoulders.

Thankfully, Arenanet came to their senses about the permabans. I'm still worried about what they are going to do next. Be careful around those in-game vendors guys. Those shady NPCs can cause some real damage to your account.

Makari, again, you are still ignoring the fact that all people did was go to a vendor, and buy things. No tricks, no third party programs or hacks. Arenanet responded by PERMANENTLY banning these people. We are talking thousands of players who spent $60 on this game just days prior. Now, I can understand if they downloaded some "Damn Cheaters" or "MMO Ninja" type hacking program, but all they did was buy stuff from a vendor. I cannot repeat that enough. A line has to be drawn somewhere in the way of exploiting and the type of punishment it deserves. Not everything that players do to get advantages in a game should be considered "exploiting". Some of these exploits, like the one in question here, are so easy to do, the blame needs to lay squarely on Arenanet's shoulders.

Thankfully, Arenanet came to their senses about the permabans. I'm still worried about what they are going to do next. Be careful around those in-game vendors guys. Those shady NPCs can cause some real damage to your account.

Falconoffury

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

I ask you people should PC gamers unite and make something similiar to working sindicate ? Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody. Just lets take Arena Net behavior. Just watch Kripparrion video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUeBMccz-PDZf6OB4aV6a3eA&v=OMTmBrwmjf0&feature=player_embedded , numerious examples from EA they buy really good frenchies and company and then they exploit gamers to buy their crap products,... jut take example of newest C&C products from EA 17th Aniversery of C&C 50 bucks for old mostly Westwood games. ....... And there are many many more examples !?

Sheppard212

Those players violated the T&C either knowingly or unknowingly, and bought mismarked items in the bulk to gain a tremedous advantage over other players -- and in a PvP centric game, that's a big difference. But by signing the T&C to use their product, the end user agree that any and all access to the service is dictated by the entity it belongs to. So....children acting like children.

[QUOTE="Falconoffury"]

Makari, again, you are still ignoring the fact that all people did was go to a vendor, and buy things. No tricks, no third party programs or hacks. Arenanet responded by PERMANENTLY banning these people. We are talking thousands of players who spent $60 on this game just days prior. Now, I can understand if they downloaded some "Damn Cheaters" or "MMO Ninja" type hacking program, but all they did was buy stuff from a vendor. I cannot repeat that enough. A line has to be drawn somewhere in the way of exploiting and the type of punishment it deserves. Not everything that players do to get advantages in a game should be considered "exploiting". Some of these exploits, like the one in question here, are so easy to do, the blame needs to lay squarely on Arenanet's shoulders.

Thankfully, Arenanet came to their senses about the permabans. I'm still worried about what they are going to do next. Be careful around those in-game vendors guys. Those shady NPCs can cause some real damage to your account.

bonafidetk

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Because today Gamers suffers more then anybody.

Phoenix534

I can't even muster up a response to this.

What rights are we supposed to have?

If you don't like a company's business practices, don't buy from them. Nobody forces you to play a game.

agpickle