Sick of upgradeing? Here's a solution, don't
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My eyes are burning. Thats some wall of text.
BRIEF:
his pritty much saying is to stop complaining how people buy new video cards every time a new comes out. don't buy video cards so offen.
i don't complain the last video card i bought was 7900gt ss i was kind of mad because 7950s came out when i got it but i don't mind.
OK, what I'm really saying here is that, lookin at the report on the new 9800GX2, it seems alot of ppl are moaning about the same old tat that you have to keep upgradin way way too often to keep up and that manufacturers always over-hype performance and stuff, you know, the sortta thing thats been goin on for years now. Well, it's common logic as to what's the real answer ain't it? If we ALL stopped buyin cards right now for at least a year or so, Nvidia and ATI would start wonderin what was wrong and maybe they'd listen to there customers and drop there stupid prices a bit to reasonable levels, so that average joe could afford them. BUT, yousee that's NEVER going to happen as there's always some foolish bugger who'll pay anything for average performance and then do it again in 3 months time, pay $600 for perfomance that's barely any better than the same game on a PS3/360, AND THEN UPGRADE JUST TO PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT just came out on console and runs fine. You see a picture building here? The reason prices and overall performance/value for money, is soo underwhelming is cause we all made it that way(as such). Nvidia and the like aren't gonna drop thier prices if we keep buyin them are they? why would they?, and as we all accept it, and keep upgradin, this suits them perfectly, they've got us where they want us, by the b*llocks. In order for a change of situation to occur, and to stop long-time PC fans give up and migrate to consoles(which a few seem to be thinking about judjing by what I've read on the forums), we need to all take some sorta action and tell these companies that we won't have it any longer, then they'll have to do somethin about it or else they won't sell anything or they'll lose there big fan base. Whatda you say eh? Cheers Fellas Sam The Bamsgac
Wall of text ftw. Obviously you don't understand anything about the topic you are trying to discuss.
OK, what I'm really saying here is that, lookin at the report on the new 9800GX2, it seems alot of ppl are moaning about the same old tat that you have to keep upgradin way way too often to keep up and that manufacturers always over-hype performance and stuff, you know, the sortta thing thats been goin on for years now. Well, it's common logic as to what's the real answer ain't it? If we ALL stopped buyin cards right now for at least a year or so, Nvidia and ATI would start wonderin what was wrong and maybe they'd listen to there customers and drop there stupid prices a bit to reasonable levels, so that average joe could afford them. BUT, yousee that's NEVER going to happen as there's always some foolish bugger who'll pay anything for average performance and then do it again in 3 months time, pay $600 for perfomance that's barely any better than the same game on a PS3/360, AND THEN UPGRADE JUST TO PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT just came out on console and runs fine. You see a picture building here? The reason prices and overall performance/value for money, is soo underwhelming is cause we all made it that way(as such). Nvidia and the like aren't gonna drop thier prices if we keep buyin them are they? why would they?, and as we all accept it, and keep upgradin, this suits them perfectly, they've got us where they want us, by the b*llocks. In order for a change of situation to occur, and to stop long-time PC fans give up and migrate to consoles(which a few seem to be thinking about judjing by what I've read on the forums), we need to all take some sorta action and tell these companies that we won't have it any longer, then they'll have to do somethin about it or else they won't sell anything or they'll lose there big fan base. Whatda you say eh? Cheers Fellas Sam The Bamsgac
did they ever teach you a thing in school, called paragraphs??!!!
So all PC gamers should stop moaning and move to consoles. I like moaning so there's no way i'd move to consoles. :Pzeus_gb
QFT.
If you ignore his lack of formatting, the OP does actually have a point. The video card market is primarily driven by consumers that buy a new video card every 6 months to have the top of the line equipment. If consumers eased up on their constant upgrades, manufacturers would be left sitting on unsold stock, which would drop prices. But what he misses is that by high-end users constantly driving for better equipment, it makes the mid-range equipment more affordable for the rest of us. If there wasn't a demand for a 9800GX2, my 9600GT would have cost me more than it did.
If you ignore his lack of formatting, the OP does actually have a point.
dbpanek
If you ignore his lack of formatting! Thats like saying, if you don't bleed when someone stabs you then you'll be fine...it just ain't gonna happen.
[QUOTE="dbpanek"]If you ignore his lack of formatting, the OP does actually have a point.
mattisgod01
If you ignore his lack of formatting! Thats like saying, if you don't bleed when someone stabs you then you'll be fine...it just ain't gonna happen.
Maybe if he can edit otherwise I am not even reading that.You CANNOT blame anybody for anything.This is what is best about PC gaming.You buy as much as you want or can afford.The video card market is primarily driven by consumers that buy a new video card every 6 months to have the top of the line equipment. If consumers eased up on their constant upgrades, manufacturers would be left sitting on unsold stock, which would drop prices.
dbpanek
If somebody has the money and want the best hardware,there is nothng unusual about it.I mean I cant even imagine what my gaming hardware will be if I was a millionare.
oohhh oohhh, let's all not buy any gas or diesel for the next 4 weeks and then we can see those two products go down in price too....
as if.
[QUOTE="dbpanek"]You CANNOT blame anybody for anything.This is what is best about PC gaming.You buy as much as you want or can afford.The video card market is primarily driven by consumers that buy a new video card every 6 months to have the top of the line equipment. If consumers eased up on their constant upgrades, manufacturers would be left sitting on unsold stock, which would drop prices.
Spybot_9
If somebody has the money and want the best hardware,there is nothng unusual about it.I mean I cant even imagine what my gaming hardware will be if I was a millionare.
C'mon, don't pick and disagree with part of my quote without recognizing that I agreed with you in the rest of the quote. I wasn't blaming anyone for anything, I was merely saying the guy has a point. I don't think it is a good point, but he does have one. But as I said, people pushing the high end market keep the mid range market affordable for the rest of us.
As for upgradability being the best part of pc gaming, that is debatable. The lack of uniform hardware standards makes things more difficult for game developers. Console game developers know exactly what capabilities the end user's hardware will have. PC game developers have to try and make their game as flexible as possible, because someone out there is going to try and run a new game on an old machine. Some developers have done a good job of this (valve, for one), but others have not (crysis).
[QUOTE="sgac"]OK, what I'm really saying here is that, lookin at the report on the new 9800GX2, it seems alot of ppl are moaning about the same old tat that you have to keep upgradin way way too often to keep up and that manufacturers always over-hype performance and stuff, you know, the sortta thing thats been goin on for years now. Well, it's common logic as to what's the real answer ain't it? If we ALL stopped buyin cards right now for at least a year or so, Nvidia and ATI would start wonderin what was wrong and maybe they'd listen to there customers and drop there stupid prices a bit to reasonable levels, so that average joe could afford them. BUT, yousee that's NEVER going to happen as there's always some foolish bugger who'll pay anything for average performance and then do it again in 3 months time, pay $600 for perfomance that's barely any better than the same game on a PS3/360, AND THEN UPGRADE JUST TO PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT just came out on console and runs fine. You see a picture building here? The reason prices and overall performance/value for money, is soo underwhelming is cause we all made it that way(as such). Nvidia and the like aren't gonna drop thier prices if we keep buyin them are they? why would they?, and as we all accept it, and keep upgradin, this suits them perfectly, they've got us where they want us, by the b*llocks. In order for a change of situation to occur, and to stop long-time PC fans give up and migrate to consoles(which a few seem to be thinking about judjing by what I've read on the forums), we need to all take some sorta action and tell these companies that we won't have it any longer, then they'll have to do somethin about it or else they won't sell anything or they'll lose there big fan base. Whatda you say eh? Cheers Fellas Sam The BamBaselerd
Wall of text ftw. Obviously you don't understand anything about the topic you are trying to discuss.
[/QUOTE}Don't just jump to conclusions, what don't any of you like reading a paragragh or so? That's lazy and if you actually read it, youmight find some point in there, I've built PC's for the last 3or 4 years and I've aquired skilles and a bit of knowledge along the way, and, as I see it, this is the situation we are really in as far as video cards go. If you don't want to read what I wrote, then go find someone else to slag off, this is only me writing what I think, so please take it as that, you don't HAVE to belive me bud.[QUOTE="sgac"]OK, what I'm really saying here is that, lookin at the report on the new 9800GX2, it seems alot of ppl are moaning about the same old tat that you have to keep upgradin way way too often to keep up and that manufacturers always over-hype performance and stuff, you know, the sortta thing thats been goin on for years now. Well, it's common logic as to what's the real answer ain't it? If we ALL stopped buyin cards right now for at least a year or so, Nvidia and ATI would start wonderin what was wrong and maybe they'd listen to there customers and drop there stupid prices a bit to reasonable levels, so that average joe could afford them. BUT, yousee that's NEVER going to happen as there's always some foolish bugger who'll pay anything for average performance and then do it again in 3 months time, pay $600 for perfomance that's barely any better than the same game on a PS3/360, AND THEN UPGRADE JUST TO PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT just came out on console and runs fine. You see a picture building here? The reason prices and overall performance/value for money, is soo underwhelming is cause we all made it that way(as such). Nvidia and the like aren't gonna drop thier prices if we keep buyin them are they? why would they?, and as we all accept it, and keep upgradin, this suits them perfectly, they've got us where they want us, by the b*llocks. In order for a change of situation to occur, and to stop long-time PC fans give up and migrate to consoles(which a few seem to be thinking about judjing by what I've read on the forums), we need to all take some sorta action and tell these companies that we won't have it any longer, then they'll have to do somethin about it or else they won't sell anything or they'll lose there big fan base. Whatda you say eh? Cheers Fellas Sam The BamLehman
did they ever teach you a thing in school, called paragraphs??!!!
OK, smart ass, I've seen worse written before, so I didn't arrange my message very good, still, i DO know how to write, I did A-Level english and wrote 8 page essays for goodness sake, although I don't show much of it here, this is a forum, not a bloody writing exam. Next time I'll take a lot more care.Anyway, about my point, well alright I might have missed on a few things there, but to sum up since no-one apparently like reading long paragraphs, all I was suggesting was that, if we lay off on the higher-end gear a bit, then ALL the ranges would come down. $200-$400 is still expensive for a mid-priced part, especially when you consider what you're actually getting, OK so it'll probably be able to handle all games at thier max settings for a year and then , upgrade. Why? What's so demanding about a new game that comes out a year later that a 2year-old console can run in good graphics, yet you have to buy a new mid ranger for?, makes little sense to me other than the devs are somehow coding thier software in such a way as only the new card can take it at reasonable settings.
Fair enough, this makes ATI and Nvidia money, the main problem with this approach is that the turnover rate is too quick to have a truelly enjoyable experience(well to mw anyway). You spend more time saving up and plannin for the next upgrade than you do buying games(if you have any dosh left that is). Some folk like that, personally, I'd rather it was once a year upgrade, bit more reasonable don't you think.
2nd Whydo you have to pay $700 for a GPU anyway? If a console port like Raunbow six Vegas 2 needs at least an 8800GT to run at max settings, you'll pay about what $400?, 6 month later a new console port that runs on the ever-ageing hardware and still looks alright, will require a reductio in detail on your card and make the PC game look worse, so what are you paying $400 for?, you certainly aren't paying for asomethin that's gonna last a reasonable lengh of time, it should, I bet you could run Crysis at max setting on a 8800GT (yes, that's right you read it fine) if Crytek would optimise it a bit better, but that don't happen, why? cause Nvidia and nVidia wouldn't like that, makes em less cash to atsh in the billions they've already made and counting, crysis should be fine on a reasonable card like that, it shouldn't need any more power to look awsome
Look at "Just Cause" and how good that looked at the time. How'd that run on a Xbox 360's ATI x1800 or whatever card, yet my 7800GTX at the time couldn't get astable frame-rate at even800x600? That's true by the way, I have a 360 gathering dust somewhere, and I played Just cause on it and FPS was very stable AT 1360X768 , PC = jerky at 800x600at max settings, looked worse than the 360, Oh the rest of my PC's up to snuff at the time too, so no prob. Something's going on there I think, let's figure that one out.
If they brung the price of a high-end part down to $400 and then the other ranges to a similar extent, now that'd be sound, we'd be talkin then, at least more folk could afford a sound card, and top-tier performance wouldn't do us all outa house and home, just look at the days of the Voodoo, 3DFX at least sold thier cards at a reasonable level so that av Joe could afford em, yu know, normal folk OK, they went out of buisiness by dissapointing offerings at the later stages but, why'd you think it still gets mentioned as one opf the leaders in PC Gaming? Cause they had the formula right, reasonable price/ kick-arse performance. Screwed up at the end, fair enough, but they had the procedure right to begin with.
I don't knoe everything, I don't want to be harrassed by everyone just cause my arguement isn't complete. That's why I wrote this, to get the discussion going, these are just a few things that I feel, you fellas are needed to flesh the story out and to help me and tell me if I am mistaken, thus I will correct myself. I've always loved the PC for it's flexibility for the last ten years, but, why do hardware makers need to make such a killing on thier stuff?, higher-priced stuff puts the mid-range to more affordable territory fair enough, if only the turnover wasn't so ridiculous. Better stuff all very well, but why'd you need better stuff so quickly?, ain't the current gan stuff able to handle things a bit longer than what it's been given?
Paragraphs or not, you are still wrong.
#1, some people need a new GPU now. If you are getting ready to buy a PC you are not gonna wanna wait any longer.
#2, the people that buy the latest greatest helps fund future R&D,
#3 the average purchaser is already buying a low-end GPU
The 9600GT is under $150, what more do you want? The top of the line PC hardware has ALWAYS been more expensive. I just fail to see your logic.
One problem with upgrading is that people do it too often and spend way than they should and it all adds up in the end. I build a brand new computer every 5 years and when I do I make sure they are all good performance to high end parts. That way I would need very minimal upgrading. My current PC I've built I am sure will last me another solid 5 years. The last computer I had was a p4 3.0Ghz prescott with 1GB of RAM, Radeon 9800, and a 15" lcd which was awesome 5 years ago.
My logic is that, alright, so ppl buy low-end cards and yes, there are good value ones like the mid-range 9600GT out there. However, the average price of GPU's is too high to begin with, a top-end part should really be half of what it is currently, More folk would see PC gaming as a viable option, cause right now, from what I can see, most novices or your average punter, only sees the expensiveness of the platform and they fail to see the mid-range and this puts ppl off. Trust me buddy, it does, I've spoken to ppl, and that's the general consensis. Who knows, alright ppl buyin top stuff fuel R@D. Correct, but it doesn't mean the cards are getting any more affordable or sustainable.Paragraphs or not, you are still wrong.
#1, some people need a new GPU now. If you are getting ready to buy a PC you are not gonna wanna wait any longer.
#2, the people that buy the latest greatest helps fund future R&D,
#3 the average purchaser is already buying a low-end GPU
The 9600GT is under $150, what more do you want? The top of the line PC hardware has ALWAYS been more expensive. I just fail to see your logic.
opamando
Yep, cards are gettin better all the time, and more efficient, but, as I said above, the turnover is too quick and the price at each stage is too great for most average ppl.
If you really wanna make PC Gaming truelly viable for the masses, you have too get a situation where ppl can upgrade at reasonablee intervals, and at reasonable prices. At least it should be this way if the cards are gonna expire in gaming utility within a year, in this case, the price of each upgrade becomes more relevent. If a cards only gonna last a year for playin the new games, then if ATI etc want to keep pushing the capabilities and still keep a large market open to them, they'll have to think of a way to make it more practical to a wider audience, i.e. lowering thier cost.
[QUOTE="opamando"]My logic is that, alright, so ppl buy low-end cards and yes, there are good value ones like the mid-range 9600GT out there. However, the average price of GPU's is too high to begin with, a top-end part should really be half of what it is currently, If you cut the cost of the high-end cards, you would have to cut the mid and low end, and they are already pretty low, how low would they have to make them to make you happy?. More folk would see PC gaming as a viable option, cause right now, from what I can see, most novices or your average punter, only sees the expensiveness of the platform and they fail to see the mid-range and this puts ppl off. Trust me buddy, it does, I've spoken to ppl, and that's the general consensis. Well not much you can do if people just don't do there research, thats not my problem, buddy. Who knows, alright ppl buyin top stuff fuel R@D. Correct, but it doesn't mean the cards are getting any more affordable or sustainable. If they got cheaper and continued getting cheaper, eventually the new top of the line card would be $10, never gonna happen. Top of the lane cards are usually around $450-$650, and are almost always not worth it, they are aimed at the people who can afford them.Paragraphs or not, you are still wrong.
#1, some people need a new GPU now. If you are getting ready to buy a PC you are not gonna wanna wait any longer.
#2, the people that buy the latest greatest helps fund future R&D,
#3 the average purchaser is already buying a low-end GPU
The 9600GT is under $150, what more do you want? The top of the line PC hardware has ALWAYS been more expensive. I just fail to see your logic.
sgac
Yep, cards are gettin better all the time, and more efficient, but, as I said above, the turnover is too quick and the price at each stage is too great for most average ppl. Most people who do their research before purchasing will get a good card for a good price, that will last more than long enough.
If you really wanna make PC Gaming truelly viable for the masses, you have too get a situation where ppl can upgrade at reasonablee intervals, and at reasonable prices. What is a reasonable price and intervals is up to the user, I have never been forced to upgrade. At least it should be this way if the cards are gonna expire in gaming utility within a year, in this case, the price of each upgrade becomes more relevent. If a cards only gonna last a year for playin the new games, then if ATI etc want to keep pushing the capabilities and still keep a large market open to them, they'll have to think of a way to make it more practical to a wider audience, i.e. lowering thier cost. I have no idea what you are trying to say. The 8800 series (GTS G80 GTX and Ultra) have been out way over a year and are still VERY strong cards.
You sound like the type of person who should stick to consoles. How long have you been into PC's, the overall cost of PC's has dropped like a rock in the last few years. I would have killed for these prices years ago.
oohhh oohhh, let's all not buy any gas or diesel for the next 4 weeks and then we can see those two products go down in price too....
as if.
Threesixtyci
Kind of stupid analogy if you ask me.
[QUOTE="sgac"][QUOTE="opamando"]My logic is that, alright, so ppl buy low-end cards and yes, there are good value ones like the mid-range 9600GT out there. However, the average price of GPU's is too high to begin with, a top-end part should really be half of what it is currently, If you cut the cost of the high-end cards, you would have to cut the mid and low end, and they are already pretty low, how low would they have to make them to make you happy?. More folk would see PC gaming as a viable option, cause right now, from what I can see, most novices or your average punter, only sees the expensiveness of the platform and they fail to see the mid-range and this puts ppl off. Trust me buddy, it does, I've spoken to ppl, and that's the general consensis. Well not much you can do if people just don't do there research, thats not my problem, buddy. Who knows, alright ppl buyin top stuff fuel R@D. Correct, but it doesn't mean the cards are getting any more affordable or sustainable. If they got cheaper and continued getting cheaper, eventually the new top of the line card would be $10, never gonna happen. Top of the lane cards are usually around $450-$650, and are almost always not worth it, they are aimed at the people who can afford them.Paragraphs or not, you are still wrong.
#1, some people need a new GPU now. If you are getting ready to buy a PC you are not gonna wanna wait any longer.
#2, the people that buy the latest greatest helps fund future R&D,
#3 the average purchaser is already buying a low-end GPU
The 9600GT is under $150, what more do you want? The top of the line PC hardware has ALWAYS been more expensive. I just fail to see your logic.
opamando
Yep, cards are gettin better all the time, and more efficient, but, as I said above, the turnover is too quick and the price at each stage is too great for most average ppl. Most people who do their research before purchasing will get a good card for a good price, that will last more than long enough.
If you really wanna make PC Gaming truelly viable for the masses, you have too get a situation where ppl can upgrade at reasonablee intervals, and at reasonable prices. What is a reasonable price and intervals is up to the user, I have never been forced to upgrade. At least it should be this way if the cards are gonna expire in gaming utility within a year, in this case, the price of each upgrade becomes more relevent. If a cards only gonna last a year for playin the new games, then if ATI etc want to keep pushing the capabilities and still keep a large market open to them, they'll have to think of a way to make it more practical to a wider audience, i.e. lowering thier cost. I have no idea what you are trying to say. The 8800 series (GTS G80 GTX and Ultra) have been out way over a year and are still VERY strong cards.
You sound like the type of person who should stick to consoles. How long have you been into PC's, the overall cost of PC's has dropped like a rock in the last few years. I would have killed for these prices years ago.
Hey listen bud, I've been into PC's for at least 3 to 4 years. You don't seem to be getting what I mean. The 8800 serires is still a very strong lineip indeed, but, what's so hard about new games like Crysis, that you have to upgrade for to play at max settings and low res? It don't look like it needs that much juice to generate all those pixels. Personally, I thought games like Just Cause or even GTA IV on the consoles were more visually flattering(save for the DX10 effects which I can hardly notice anyway), than crysis in Directx 9. Even running in DX10 this game and some others are way over-hyped and the cards needed to enjoy them are a bit too extreme to let a big gaming audience enjoy it at it's best.As the whole market including GPU makers, are centered on maximum sales of thier stuff, ppl look at vcalue for money as a very important factor, and here, even in mid-range territory, $300 (£150 in my country) is still a lot of dosh per every 6 months if you want to play the latest games at there ideal settings, even then when you play at modest resolutions, you sometimes have to lower the settings. Added to that the enormous price gap between these and top-end stuff and you have a situation where most folk either have the option of upgradeing a bit too often to keep up with new titles(if that's what they want, which a lot are tryin to do), or, go low-end, which is even worse, obviously, or, buy high-end which has about a few months more lifespan and is harder to sustain, it's really all about sustainability. You might be the type of person who builds at 5 year intervals, and upgrades and the time lapses are your choice, but, if you wanna keep playin new games at decent detail levels, you gotta pay a bit of an inflated premium to do it, that'd be fine if sustainability of your hobby was guarenteed like it is with a console, but it ain't, either way, you still lose out a bit.
So your entire argument is based on the worst optimised game out right now, Crysis? That is why your argument fails,
Look, if you can not do the research and get a card that will last longer than 6 months, maybe you should get out of PC gaming. I got a 2900 PRO well over 6 months ago($160), and I am not looking to upgrade for a long time still. I am willing to bet, almost everyone here has a GPU that will last for more than 6 months.
Yes, the GPU manufacturers are "centered" on making money, as is every other company in the world, why is that so wrong. It is up to the consumer to make their own decision on what to buy, and how much to spend.
OK my friend, you have basically run me into the ground here. Right so my argument isn't that strong, I just wanted to highlight a few of my personal feeling about the GPU and gameing buisines, that's all. Well . Thanks fellas, you have made me feel a bit better. Knowing that most folk don't upgrade that often makes me feel a bit easier. Hey, I did a lot of research, you don't have to do much to see what's a good cardv currently, I know quite a few, I have been gaming on this platform for 4 years now and almost gave up the consoles because of the PC's superiority. All I was getting at was that GPU manufacturers in general, turn-over thier product lines a bit too quick, and while there is no problem with that, the games that come out on a regular basis seem to demand the latest ones for no apparent reason, to run at similar settings to what you'd see on a console, like if you turn most of em to thier highest setting, the game looks as though it could run on a modern console fine, judjing by how good 360 graphics can be(save for low resolution). Why PC games, with the exception of things like OK, CRysis,(leave that one now), need such powerful hardware to run at max settings is beyond me if the devs can manage similar graphical fidelity on a console that has 5 year old hardware.So your entire argument is based on the worst optimised game out right now, Crysis? That is why your argument fails,
Look, if you can not do the research and get a card that will last longer than 6 months, maybe you should get out of PC gaming. I got a 2900 PRO well over 6 months ago($160), and I am not looking to upgrade for a long time still. I am willing to bet, almost everyone here has a GPU that will last for more than 6 months.
Yes, the GPU manufacturers are "centered" on making money, as is every other company in the world, why is that so wrong. It is up to the consumer to make their own decision on what to buy, and how much to spend.
opamando
Trust me man, I HAVE a 360 AND I've had a high-end rig for 3 years now, and in my experience, games like say, Oblivion run fine on 360 , but gettin it lookin the same on PC's more expensive, why? Either the devs must be coding thier games to make em too hard for anythin but the top tiers to handle so ATI and Nvidia get more dosh, or somethin else is going on.
OK, what I'm really saying here is that, lookin at the report on the new 9800GX2, it seems alot of ppl are moaning about the same old tat that you have to keep upgradin way way too often to keep up and that manufacturers always over-hype performance and stuff, you know, the sortta thing thats been goin on for years now. Well, it's common logic as to what's the real answer ain't it? If we ALL stopped buyin cards right now for at least a year or so, Nvidia and ATI would start wonderin what was wrong and maybe they'd listen to there customers and drop there stupid prices a bit to reasonable levels, so that average joe could afford them. BUT, yousee that's NEVER going to happen as there's always some foolish bugger who'll pay anything for average performance and then do it again in 3 months time, pay $600 for perfomance that's barely any better than the same game on a PS3/360, AND THEN UPGRADE JUST TO PLAY THE SAME GAME THAT just came out on console and runs fine. You see a picture building here? The reason prices and overall performance/value for money, is soo underwhelming is cause we all made it that way(as such). Nvidia and the like aren't gonna drop thier prices if we keep buyin them are they? why would they?, and as we all accept it, and keep upgradin, this suits them perfectly, they've got us where they want us, by the b*llocks. In order for a change of situation to occur, and to stop long-time PC fans give up and migrate to consoles(which a few seem to be thinking about judjing by what I've read on the forums), we need to all take some sorta action and tell these companies that we won't have it any longer, then they'll have to do somethin about it or else they won't sell anything or they'll lose there big fan base. Whatda you say eh? Cheers Fellas Sam The Bamsgac
TL;DR
LOL, TC doesent know what he is talking about!daytona_178second that...
My eyes are burning. Thats some wall of text.
ch5richards
lol. I know. There is such a thing as a paragraph.
And @ op. Newsflash: PC Games are superior to console games in almost every way, but it comes at a price.
PC in general:
More game Customizability
more hardware customizability (custom cases, sick mice)
way higher resolutions
way way way way better graphics... much higher resolution textures and more polygon count
Much more precise control: Controllers suck for FPS and RTS games (which are my favorites)
Mods, custom maps. Can't do that on an xbox. Nothing like having TF2 playing Starcraft sounds for the minigun, or replacing the Pyro's axe with a guitar. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
You'll need a computer anyway. This is the main thing people overlook. Everyone needs a computer eventually. Why pay for an Xbox, and most people have a Wii too, when you can just get an amped up computer. All-in-one. Sure you'll have to pay more for it.
Go back and play your console. There's a reason why people play on PC's over consoles.
...You'll need a computer anyway. This is the main thing people overlook. Everyone needs a computer eventually. Why pay for an Xbox, and most people have a Wii too, when you can just get an amped up computer. All-in-one. Sure you'll have to pay more for it...doomsdaydave11
I think part of the problem with PC gaming is that it isn't as simple as buying an 'amped up comuter'. Walk into Best Buy, Circuit City or any of the other major stores out there and drop $2000 on a computer, and you still aren't guaranteed to get a great gaming computer that will play every game out there. People are so baffled by the numbers that they don't make an informed decision (I know someon that still buys P4s because the run at a higher clock speed, and are "faster")
The high turnover rate of graphic cards is partially at fault here. Since todays high end card is tomorrows midrange, and next week's garbage, it makes it hard to consider anything of long term value. And when people drop $2000 on a computer, they expect it to last longer and perform better than their $350 xbox 360. It might right out of the box, but in a year or two, the 360 is still going to be playing games perfectly well, where that PC probably won't. And while you or I might understand how to do a simple video card upgrade, the average consumer does not.
Ohw wait a minute,And when people drop $2000 on a computer, they expect it to last longer and perform better than their $350 xbox 360. It might right out of the box, but in a year or two, the 360 is still going to be playing games perfectly well, where that PC probably won't.
dbpanek
Firtly $2000 are you kidding me??That is the cost of EVERYTHING including monitor,speakers and all the other stuff.You can EASILY get a pre-built for $1000 as far as the tower is concerned including an OS.A a high end PC for that matter with a quad core and 8800.A $350 xbox isnt going to come with a TV and speakers you know.
Now how do you know that an xbox will be playing games 2 years from now??You know new consoles come hmm dont you?I bought an original xbox in 2004 when it was at it's prime and guess what at the end of 2005 the 360 came and dang no more games for the original xbox.A PC with a reasonable dual core and 8800 can play COD4 and UT3 maxed in "native" 1080p whereas the consoles dont even come close.Even the poorly pathetic port of assasins creed is played in better settings with an 8800 then a console.What on earth makes you think that a console that cant even run COD4 and halo3 in 720p will ever take over a PC with an 8800??
And I can bet whatever you want to that until the new xbox comes,NO game will run realy bad on an 8800 to the point where it's unplayable.
With a PC you can hook up a CRT monitor,LCD monitor or HDTV with FULL compatability whereas for a console you HAVE to buy a HDTV for full compatability.That alone destroys any argument of console gaming being any cheaper.
Oh and tell me a good PC form 2005 that cant play any game with respectable settings??
The xbox was released in 2001, and was replaced by the 360 in 2005, so that gives it a lifespan of about 3.5 years. The PS2 was released in 2000, and they are still making games for it now. And while it is true that the quality of the xbox and ps2 aren't up to todays standards, the fact is that if you buy a ps2 game, it will work on your ps2, no matter what. The same can not be said of computers. A new game will not necessarily run on a computer that is 3-4 years old. Sure, if you bought a $2000 computer odds are it would run, but a console-priced computer would not be able to make the same claim.
Also, saying that you need to buy an HD tv doesn't really hold. Sure, you won't be able to take full advantage of the newer consoles on an old tv, but you don't need it. You do need a monitor to run a computer, so I find it fair to include that in the price of a pc. And even if you do want to push the need for a good TV, odds are your average family is going to get a lot of use out of that TV, be it watching movies, cable or whatnot.
I agree with you, I prefer pc gaming over console gaming. I love mouse and keyboard, I love the better resolutions and the homebrew mods, I love it all. But the fact is that the hardware companies do not make pc gaming easy for people that don't already understand it. The fact that there isn't a reliable requirements system in place only makes matter worse.
You can hook your console to a monitor...and you can hook your PC to a TV. That's why monitor prices normally aren't included.The xbox was released in 2001, and was replaced by the 360 in 2005, so that gives it a lifespan of about 3.5 years. The PS2 was released in 2000, and they are still making games for it now. And while it is true that the quality of the xbox and ps2 aren't up to todays standards, the fact is that if you buy a ps2 game, it will work on your ps2, no matter what. The same can not be said of computers. A new game will not necessarily run on a computer that is 3-4 years old. Sure, if you bought a $2000 computer odds are it would run, but a console-priced computer would not be able to make the same claim.
Also, saying that you need to buy an HD tv doesn't really hold. Sure, you won't be able to take full advantage of the newer consoles on an old tv, but you don't need it. You do need a monitor to run a computer, so I find it fair to include that in the price of a pc. And even if you do want to push the need for a good TV, odds are your average family is going to get a lot of use out of that TV, be it watching movies, cable or whatnot.
I agree with you, I prefer pc gaming over console gaming. I love mouse and keyboard, I love the better resolutions and the homebrew mods, I love it all. But the fact is that the hardware companies do not make pc gaming easy for people that don't already understand it. The fact that there isn't a reliable requirements system in place only makes matter worse.
dbpanek
It's not that there isn't a reliable system in place. It's that you can't put a reliable system in place. PC technology moves to quickly that even the Windows Experience Index introduced in Windows Vista means jack poo less than a year down.I agree with you, I prefer pc gaming over console gaming. I love mouse and keyboard, I love the better resolutions and the homebrew mods, I love it all. But the fact is that the hardware companies do not make pc gaming easy for people that don't already understand it. The fact that there isn't a reliable requirements system in place only makes matter worse.
dbpanek
OTOH, there are lots of PC games out there that have relatively low system requirements. WoW and Starcraft are old games with ancient requirements and are still played today. Half-Life 2 is quite playable for a five-year-old machine. The Sims? And its backward compatibility and even cross-compatibility puts consoles to shame.
And think about this: sure, there are console games at the end of the console's life, but that doesn't take into account what you don't see: games that never make it to the console because their demands are too high--those are the ones that get pushed to the next generation.
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