SKIDROW addresses UbiSoft

[QUOTE="Mephers"]I really lost interest in this game after hearing about all the DRM problems. I cheer for the underdog SKIDROW though, stick it to the man!w4rrior17

I mean am I wrong? Seem to be in a minority here.

Well i put it this way, more companies suffer from piracy but their games surely sell much better than the last ubisoft releases. Its ubisoft who is doing it. Piracy is partially the issue, the truth is that you cannot track possible buyers. I have not seen many people talking about ubisoft games in pc forums, i think its clear that ubisoft games dont sell well on pc and its not pirates who caused this but us who dont buy ubisoft games and now its ubisfot fault that we dont buy their games because of their stupid drm.

To be honest i think ubisoft has gotten worse to pc gaming over time. I still remember how terrible prince of persia the two thrones and splinter cell double agent were on pc. (mind you both previous prince of persia and splinter cell games sold well, especially chaos theory that took wayyyyy too long to defeat its protection, yet they made the worst port ever called double agent no matter the sales the previous have, so i guess they dont care about anything at all) It is clear that ubisoft does not care about the pc and does not make many games that are liked by pc gamers, like say far cry 2. I remember that prince of persia in 2008 had no copy protection at all, i install the game and i could play it even without the dvd. Guess what? That game did not do well, is it that it was pirated to hell and back like dead space :lol: or that it simply did not sell well on pc?

Pirates are partially the problem and ubisoft crappy games on the pc is the other half. Its not pirates fault that their games are not favored by the pc gaming community. Its our fault, we should buy more ubisoft games and their drm move definetly does not ecnourage us to do so.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Google it, I can't link the sites that report the trackers. And no, it's not some anti-piracy sites...it's the piracy sites themselves that report this crap. They like to brag I guess...Wildedge93

I'm not missing the point, you are. Piracy on the PC is well beyond what's going on the consoles. PS3 doesn't even have a piracy on it (or very very little).

And they can only burn and give it to their friend *if* those other people have altered consoles too. You have to alter your XBox 360 in order to play pirated games. And if you look at the videos/articles on how to do it it's way harder to do than just download a torrent and install (like on the PC).

That's probably why piracy on the 360 is lower...not only is altering your console a bit harder (accessability), but there's consequences to doing so as well. Not only do you stand a good chance at some point being banned, but you also void your warranty...and anybody who has a 360 (me) knows that they break a lot so it's a risk.

On the PC...there's no risks. No getting caught. No modding your computer and voiding warranties. It's much easier.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Wildedge93"] ok but ur missing the point, they arent taking advantage of the game like 360 users, also 360 user can torrent the game once then make copies and burn it as many times to freindsWildedge93

So overwriting a single file in a directory is harder than taking apart an xbox, pulling out the drive, using the right flash apps and dongles...ect ect ect (I don't want to go too far into detail per the gamespot TOS)?

Really? C'mon man...that stinks of dishonesty.

Pc gaming doesn't have piracy just because there are a lot of PC "gamers" that pirate, but because everyone has a PC and console gamers have no reason (in their twisted mind) to buy PC games, so they just pirate.

DanielDust

well put.

id be interested to see sales figures from ubisoft for the 1st month after release of ac2 compared to, say, ac1 to see how they compare.

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] I'm not missing the point, you are. Piracy on the PC is well beyond what's going on the consoles. PS3 doesn't even have a piracy on it (or very very little). And they can only burn and give it to their friend *if* those other people have altered consoles too. You have to alter your XBox 360 in order to play pirated games. And if you look at the videos/articles on how to do it it's way harder to do than just download a torrent and install (like on the PC). Renevent42

So overwriting a single file in a directory is harder than taking apart an xbox, pulling out the drive, using the right flash apps and dongles...ect ect ect (I don't want to go too far into detail per the gamespot TOS)?

Really? C'mon man...that stinks of dishonesty.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

They created something. They fixed Ubisoft's mistake. Legit customers can take advantage of their work too. This is impressive.

chandu83

I agree with you in a way, but I am glad what happened has happened.

I do not support this DRM at all, and I am glad someone proved it to UbiSoft that these measures are pointless in the long term.

umm, u no what, i quit but before i quit go and crack a DoW2. lets see how far u get.Wildedge93

I don't know what you are even trying to say there..

Bottom line is for the vast majority of PC games all you need to do is replace a single exe and presto whamo...working cracked game. It's not even remotely that easy on the 360. Even *after* you get the altered console, you still have to do a couple steps to "clean" the images for the 360 prior to burning them (not always though).

I know you said you "watched those videos and thought they looked easy"...but frankly if you can't manage to overwrite a file for a PC game you will never be able to mod an xbox :lol:

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

Pc gaming doesn't have piracy just because there are a lot of PC "gamers" that pirate, but because everyone has a PC and console gamers have no reason (in their twisted mind) to buy PC games, so they just pirate.

Macutchi

well put.

id be interested to see sales figures from ubisoft for the 1st month after release of ac2 compared to, say, ac1 to see how they compare.

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]
are u fludging ******?!?!?! 360 has way more piracy then pc for the fact that u can play a game online too! not like on pc with cracked server and all that smancy stuff. MS had to ban over 1 million ppl just becuase they pirated MW2 got caught! so i think if anything MS sould be more worried about thier priacy. also most ppl not all, but most ppl who pirated a game, pirated it becuase they had no intent of buying it, for instence, who really wanted AC2? it sucked from the beginning, but AC1 i mean that was truelly orginal, i even bought that game, but piracy isnt affecting pc gamers as much as its hurting 360. ps3 is still untouchable so its safe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

http://www.acslater.com/2009/11/02/microsoft-banning-more-modded-xbox-360s-with-leak-of-modern-warfare-2/

Renevent42

Again, wrong. The fact is if you check the trackers PC is king of piracy (out of PS3, 360, Wii).

For your knowledge, over 4 million people pirated MW2 on the PC ;)

I really doubt all of those DLs were able to play online with legit users, as you said the issue is not if it's doable...it's how much of an impact it has. My point is: piracy is not a PC exclusive issue, that's what publishers/devs must acknowledge and stop punishing us all with restrictive DRM, and if they really want to use such DRM schemes then add it to all platforms, make the decision of buying a game the same for PC and console users, because as of right now it is a no brainer which version to get (obviously the least restrictive one).

Gamartto

Consoles do utilize restrictive DRM...much more effectively than the PC too (which is why the PS3 barely has any piracy and the 360 much lower). It's a closed platform so the DRM solution is different than on the PC though.

Fact is, Piracy is far more rampant on the PC...and the fact it's an open system presents greater challenges for developers/publishers to protect their products. And it isn't a "no-brainer"...I don't even care about DRM that much. I get which ever version is superior in graphics and features...which normally is on the PC.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]
are u fludging ******?!?!?! 360 has way more piracy then pc for the fact that u can play a game online too! not like on pc with cracked server and all that smancy stuff. MS had to ban over 1 million ppl just becuase they pirated MW2 got caught! so i think if anything MS sould be more worried about thier priacy. also most ppl not all, but most ppl who pirated a game, pirated it becuase they had no intent of buying it, for instence, who really wanted AC2? it sucked from the beginning, but AC1 i mean that was truelly orginal, i even bought that game, but piracy isnt affecting pc gamers as much as its hurting 360. ps3 is still untouchable so its safe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

http://www.acslater.com/2009/11/02/microsoft-banning-more-modded-xbox-360s-with-leak-of-modern-warfare-2/

Gamartto

Again, wrong. The fact is if you check the trackers PC is king of piracy (out of PS3, 360, Wii).

For your knowledge, over 4 million people pirated MW2 on the PC ;)

i know this is the PC forum so i dont mean to bring consoles into it. but i think if publishers could stop second hand sales on the consoles through some sort of DRM then they would in a second. they cant because they have no control over any console DRM....but if they could bring in stuff that ties particular discs to consoles or discs to console accounts then i think they would in a second.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]
are u fludging ******?!?!?! 360 has way more piracy then pc for the fact that u can play a game online too! not like on pc with cracked server and all that smancy stuff. MS had to ban over 1 million ppl just becuase they pirated MW2 got caught! so i think if anything MS sould be more worried about thier priacy. also most ppl not all, but most ppl who pirated a game, pirated it becuase they had no intent of buying it, for instence, who really wanted AC2? it sucked from the beginning, but AC1 i mean that was truelly orginal, i even bought that game, but piracy isnt affecting pc gamers as much as its hurting 360. ps3 is still untouchable so its safe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696

http://www.acslater.com/2009/11/02/microsoft-banning-more-modded-xbox-360s-with-leak-of-modern-warfare-2/

Wildedge93

Again, wrong. The fact is if you check the trackers PC is king of piracy (out of PS3, 360, Wii).

For your knowledge, over 4 million people pirated MW2 on the PC ;)

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Again, wrong. The fact is if you check the trackers PC is king of piracy (out of PS3, 360, Wii).

For your knowledge, over 4 million people pirated MW2 on the PC ;)

chandu83

The bulk of profits made on games is in the US and Europe. It's hard to do much about your game in other countries...especially in places half way around the world.

South east asia is pretty irrelevant for this conversation...though I am sure game companies (and other industries) would love for those countries to do something about that...not happening anytime soon though.

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Again, wrong. The fact is if you check the trackers PC is king of piracy (out of PS3, 360, Wii).

For your knowledge, over 4 million people pirated MW2 on the PC ;)

chandu83

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]umm, u no what, i quit but before i quit go and crack a DoW2. lets see how far u get.Renevent42

I don't know what you are even trying to say there..

Bottom line is for the vast majority of PC games all you need to do is replace a single exe and presto whamo...working cracked game. It's not even remotely that easy on the 360. Even *after* you get the altered console, you still have to do a couple steps to "clean" the images for the 360 prior to burning them (not always though).

I know you said you "watched those videos and thought they looked easy"...but frankly if you can't manage to overwrite a file for a PC game you will never be able to mod an xbox :lol:

its just as easy to pirate console games really. take to any number of independant computer shops / market stalls, pay a small amount for chip, buy or download copied games. its not hard tbf. wii, 360 and ps2 piracy is rife in england and its easier and more accessible to the general public than pc piracy i would say

Your avatar has me mesmerized :o

MyopicCanadian

8) om nom nom

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Wildedge93"]

I don't know what you are even trying to say there..

Bottom line is for the vast majority of PC games all you need to do is replace a single exe and presto whamo...working cracked game. It's not even remotely that easy on the 360. Even *after* you get the altered console, you still have to do a couple steps to "clean" the images for the 360 prior to burning them (not always though).

I know you said you "watched those videos and thought they looked easy"...but frankly if you can't manage to overwrite a file for a PC game you will never be able to mod an xbox :lol:

Macutchi

its just as easy to pirate console games really. take to any number of independant computer shops / market stalls, pay a small amount for chip, buy or download copied games. its not hard tbf. wii, 360 and ps2 piracy is rife in england and its easier and more accessible to the general public than pc piracy i would say

Your avatar has me mesmerized :o

MyopicCanadian

8) om nom nom

It's just as easy yet you have to resort to paying other people to do it and buying downloaded games? Seriously...stop the intellectual dishonesty folks...while not impossibly hard or anything like that...pirating on the console either requires more knowledge and is more difficult, or comes with a monetary price (ie not free like on PC).

BTW, you can also purchase pre-burned PC games in all those countries that were mentioned as well. I was in the military and have been to a few countries and have seen with my own eyes what these little "markets" have to offer. Not just console games...PC as well and lots of them.

The fact is, it is harder to pirate on the console (for reasons already explained), and PC certainly has more piracy (especially in the areas/countries that really count).

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]I really doubt all of those DLs were able to play online with legit users, as you said the issue is not if it's doable...it's how much of an impact it has. My point is: piracy is not a PC exclusive issue, that's what publishers/devs must acknowledge and stop punishing us all with restrictive DRM, and if they really want to use such DRM schemes then add it to all platforms, make the decision of buying a game the same for PC and console users, because as of right now it is a no brainer which version to get (obviously the least restrictive one).

Renevent42

Consoles do utilize restrictive DRM...much more effectively than the PC too (which is why the PS3 barely has any piracy and the 360 much lower). It's a closed platform so the DRM solution is different than on the PC though.

Fact is, Piracy is far more rampant on the PC...and the fact it's an open system presents greater challenges for developers/publishers to protect their products. And it isn't a "no-brainer"...I don't even care about DRM that much. I get which ever version is superior in graphics and features...which normally is on the PC.

Side note: modding a console is as easy as using google to find someone near you that does that, so that argument is out of discussion just like overwritting a file.

[QUOTE="Lox_Cropek"]

[QUOTE="Franko_3"] exactly what we needed today. a stupid thread promoting people who pirate and people promoting piracy because they can't afford to pay 50$, but they can afford broadband internet to pirate what they can't afford. You guys piss me offFranko_3

In my Country (Switzerland) they cost arounrd 75-80$ and theres hardly anyway to get it cheaper.

Oh btw Pirating is not stealing, theres a Difference.

Ubisofts Game don't deserve to be bought, hell most of their Games suck anyway. So I say they deserve this and I wouldnt care if they drop PC Support.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]

Consoles do utilize restrictive DRM...much more effectively than the PC too (which is why the PS3 barely has any piracy and the 360 much lower). It's a closed platform so the DRM solution is different than on the PC though.

Fact is, Piracy is far more rampant on the PC...and the fact it's an open system presents greater challenges for developers/publishers to protect their products. And it isn't a "no-brainer"...I don't even care about DRM that much. I get which ever version is superior in graphics and features...which normally is on the PC.

Gamartto

Side note: modding a console is as easy as using google to find someone near you that does that, so that argument is out of discussion just like overwritting a file.

The fact it's much more difficult to the point of have to PAY someone else to do it says everything. How many people pay other people to apply PC game cracks? Nobody right? Seriously, that part of your argument is a dead end. It is definitely more difficult to pirate games on a 360...and on a PS3 it's almost impossible (though I hear they are almost finished cracking it).

Also, that's only for MP games...and considering MW2 is ALSO a sp game...it's a wash. Fact is 4 times as many people downloaded MW2 on the PC than any other platform. And guess what, there are ways to play online without a valid copy as well, so you are wrong in that aspect (again, google).

From what i know pirates on x360 are banned from xbox live so they cant possibly play online.dakan45

And this of course...lol. They either have to do an even more difficult process of swapping out CPU codes (which involves bricking another console basically) or buy another used/new console to get online again.

The fact is, it is harder to pirate on the console (for reasons already explained), and PC certainly has more piracy (especially in the areas/countries that really count).

Renevent42

Pirating PC is more expensive though, because you can't pirate hardware.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

The fact is, it is harder to pirate on the console (for reasons already explained), and PC certainly has more piracy (especially in the areas/countries that really count).

chandu83

Pirating PC is more expensive though, because you can't pirate hardware.

How do you pirate a 360? I think that's called theft :p

[QUOTE="chandu83"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

The fact is, it is harder to pirate on the console (for reasons already explained), and PC certainly has more piracy (especially in the areas/countries that really count).

Renevent42

Pirating PC is more expensive though, because you can't pirate hardware.

How do you pirate a 360? I think that's called theft :p

lol

It's just as easy yet you have to resort to paying other people to do it and buying downloaded games?

Renevent42

or downloading games yourself, yes

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]I really doubt all of those DLs were able to play online with legit users, as you said the issue is not if it's doable...it's how much of an impact it has. My point is: piracy is not a PC exclusive issue, that's what publishers/devs must acknowledge and stop punishing us all with restrictive DRM, and if they really want to use such DRM schemes then add it to all platforms, make the decision of buying a game the same for PC and console users, because as of right now it is a no brainer which version to get (obviously the least restrictive one).

Gamartto

Consoles do utilize restrictive DRM...much more effectively than the PC too (which is why the PS3 barely has any piracy and the 360 much lower). It's a closed platform so the DRM solution is different than on the PC though.

Fact is, Piracy is far more rampant on the PC...and the fact it's an open system presents greater challenges for developers/publishers to protect their products. And it isn't a "no-brainer"...I don't even care about DRM that much. I get which ever version is superior in graphics and features...which normally is on the PC.

Side note: modding a console is as easy as using google to find someone near you that does that, so that argument is out of discussion just like overwritting a file.

I can`t believe people are trying to justify piracy. It is because of groups like Skidrow that DRM exists in the first place! No, pirating on consoles is nowhere near the as easy or as rampant as it is on the PC. If people can't copy an .exe file, there is absolutely no way they can open their 360, remove the DVD drive, plug it in to an internal sata port on their computer, identify the firmware, flash it and clean each individual game iso in order to play them. Nobody is forcing you to buy the game, you do not have a right to be entitled to the game the way you want it. If you don't like it, don't buy it, noone is forcing you or tricking you into buying these game. What skidrow is doing is only hurting the gaming industry even further.albi321

We are not justifying piracy, drm mainly exists to kill the re sale value, they just say piracy because they can throw it like that an everyone will accept it. If by hurting you mean showing to ubisoft and other developers that crap like that dont stop piracy, then yeah skidrow hurts pc gamers so much that people actually give him props from saving us from another drm madness like the one ubisoft did. Also ubisoft may have the right to do what they want with their games but here comes the morality issue, do you think what they do is "right"? Because i dont!!

Besides, so far all that drm is doing is to make people to buy the console version instead. I have yet to see some magical super increase in sales. So i dont see how its a good thing.

Maybe Skidrow should learn better grammar. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE="albi321"]I can`t believe people are trying to justify piracy. It is because of groups like Skidrow that DRM exists in the first place! No, pirating on consoles is nowhere near the as easy or as rampant as it is on the PC. If people can't copy an .exe file, there is absolutely no way they can open their 360, remove the DVD drive, plug it in to an internal sata port on their computer, identify the firmware, flash it and clean each individual game iso in order to play them. Nobody is forcing you to buy the game, you do not have a right to be entitled to the game the way you want it. If you don't like it, don't buy it, noone is forcing you or tricking you into buying these game. What skidrow is doing is only hurting the gaming industry even further.dakan45

We are not justifying piracy, drm mainly exists to kill the re sale value, they just say piracy because they can throw it like that an everyone will accept it. If by hurting you mean showing to ubisoft and other developers that crap like that dont stop piracy, then yeah skidrow hurts pc gamers so much that people actually give him props from saving us from another drm madness like the one ubisoft did. Also ubisoft may have the right to do what they want with their games but here comes the morality issue, do you think what they do is "right"? Because i dont!!

Besides, so far all that drm is doing is to make people to buy the console version instead. I have yet to see some magical super increase in sales. So i dont see how its a good thing.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] As stated before by you it is about the impact of those downloads. Let me ask you a question: how many pirates are playing BC2 MP on the PC? chances are zero to none, now, How many pirates are playing BC2 MP on the X360? I'm pretty sure quite a lot for the reasons I stated above (no cdkey, ...), now assuming that the game was downloaded 1000 times for the PC and a 1000 times for the X360, which one caused the biggest impact -money wise- to the publisher/developer? The answer is kinda obvious.

Side note: modding a console is as easy as using google to find someone near you that does that, so that argument is out of discussion just like overwritting a file.

Gamartto

The fact it's much more difficult to the point of have to PAY someone else to do it says everything. How many people pay other people to apply PC game cracks? Nobody right? Seriously, that part of your argument is a dead end. It is definitely more difficult to pirate games on a 360...and on a PS3 it's almost impossible (though I hear they are almost finished cracking it).

Also, that's only for MP games...and considering MW2 is ALSO a sp game...it's a wash. Fact is 4 times as many people downloaded MW2 on the PC than any other platform. And guess what, there are ways to play online without a valid copy as well, so you are wrong in that aspect (again, google).

From what i know pirates on x360 are banned from xbox live so they cant possibly play online.dakan45

And this of course...lol. They either have to do an even more difficult process of swapping out CPU codes (which involves bricking another console basically) or buy another used/new console to get online again.

You really **** up the quotes there...:o

AC2 is not a crap game, its very good game, look at AC1, that game got pirated waaaaaay more than it sold, and it didnt have this draconian DRM on it. Even if the game was exceptionally good, I assure you no pirate would buy it because free is better than any price. albi321

That is something publishers need to realize. Pirates pirate. Whether its in the US, Europe or Asia. To maybe they should concentrate on giving the best experience to those people who are going to pay for their products? They certainly need to think harder about this issue.

Major publishers need to re-evaluate their business tactics if they want to survive. Just look at stardock. They manage to keep development costs down, but still manage to put out huge games with no DRM and make massive profits. Most devs need to focus more on substance in games as opposed to hype and shiny new graphics.

This is the major downfall of developing a game on consoles: development costs skyrocket because the game has to capture the attention of the masses to sell a decent amount.

How about SKIDROW focus on creating something rather than breaking others hard work and really contribute something to gaming? That would be something impressive. The ego and dishonesty from these goons is sickening. Renevent42

Also I can't understand how a company goes from no protection at all ( PoP 2008 ) to a super restrictive DRM scheme, it still puzzles me.Gamartto

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]Also I can't understand how a company goes from no protection at all ( PoP 2008 ) to a super restrictive DRM scheme, it still puzzles me.Makari

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]Also I can't understand how a company goes from no protection at all ( PoP 2008 ) to a super restrictive DRM scheme, it still puzzles me.Makari

Comes back full circle. Pirates pirate. I understand its hard for companies to not worry about it, but they shouldn't be the focus. The paying customer should be.

I dont mind DRM, its a good thing, but sometimes publishers like Ubi can go a bit too far. I understand where they come from, they are a business, and the point of a business is to earn as much money as possible, but sometimes business can screw over their customers when they go too far. Look at what the banks did to the U.S. economy. Sooner or later gaming DRM will become like that, and we will have market manipulators (pirates) cracking games. anyway thats just teh way i see it. Either way im not surprised it got cracked.

How about SKIDROW focus on creating something rather than breaking others hard work and really contribute something to gaming? That would be something impressive. The ego and dishonesty from these goons is sickening. Renevent42

one could argue that before you create, you must destroy.

Maybe skidrow is laying the groundwork for something better?

My opinion, however, is that they represent a necessary evil. Ubisoft is publishing practically broken games and they need to be punished, or at the least made aware of the harm they are doing to the customer, community, and game development in general.

im sick of those of u who try to stand on a moral high ground. the fact that u live in a developed country is a crime in itself. the world is not fair and get over it.

darrenchan217

im sick of those of u who try to stand on a moral high ground. the fact that u live in a developed country is a crime in itself. the world is not fair and get over it.

darrenchan217