Solid State drive or 10K HDD?

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#1 blazinpuertoroc
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im planning on getting a new fast harddrive to put my OS on for faster boot times and which do you think is a better bang for the buck and will work much faster?

a 10k HDD with more space?

or a SSD with less space?

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#2 smc91352
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I wouldn't recommend buying an SSD YET.

They're still to expensive imo; you should buy a 7200 RPM drive unless you can afford the 300GB VelociRaptor (the 150GB is slower than 7200 RPM drives).

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#3 blazinpuertoroc
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I wouldn't recommend buying an SSD YET.

They're still to expensive imo; you should buy a 7200 RPM drive unless you can afford the 300GB VelociRaptor (the 150GB is slower than 7200 RPM drives).

smc91352

I have a 7,200 rpm right now, but its a 16mb cache and I get crappy boot times so I think something is up with it.

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#4 MaoTheChimp
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[QUOTE="smc91352"]

I wouldn't recommend buying an SSD YET.

They're still to expensive imo; you should buy a 7200 RPM drive unless you can afford the 300GB VelociRaptor (the 150GB is slower than 7200 RPM drives).

blazinpuertoroc

I have a 7,200 rpm right now, but its a 16mb cache and I get crappy boot times so I think something is up with it.

Which 7200RPM HDD?

I get crappy boot times on the 7200RPM IDE HDD in one of my older rigs, that doesn't mean that all 7200RPM drives perform terribly.

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#5 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

I wouldn't recommend buying an SSD YET.

They're still to expensive imo; you should buy a 7200 RPM drive unless you can afford the 300GB VelociRaptor (the 150GB is slower than 7200 RPM drives).

MaoTheChimp

I have a 7,200 rpm right now, but its a 16mb cache and I get crappy boot times so I think something is up with it.

Which 7200RPM HDD?

I get crappy boot times on the 7200RPM IDE HDD in one of my older rigs, that doesn't mean that all 7200RPM drives perform terribly.

its a 640gb western digital. 16mb cache

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10,000 RPM hard drives don't seem to be worth it in comparison to high-end 7,200 RPM ones. I say that because for the cost of a VelociRaptor, you could probably afford a 1 TB or greater Caviar Black or similar drive and get most of the performance while having MUCH greater storage. I don't think SSDs are even close to worth the cost just yet. Sure, they can be fast, but you're paying quite a lot for very little space. (It's not quite as bad there as the volatile DRAM-based drives, though-those are obviously the fastest by far, but price-to-storage is excessively high and you need to keep them powered to retain data.)
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10,000 RPM hard drives don't seem to be worth it in comparison to high-end 7,200 RPM ones. I say that because for the cost of a VelociRaptor, you could probably afford a 1 TB or greater Caviar Black or similar drive and get most of the performance while having MUCH greater storage. I don't think SSDs are even close to worth the cost just yet. Sure, they can be fast, but you're paying quite a lot for very little space. (It's not quite as bad there as the volatile DRAM-based drives, though-those are obviously the fastest by far, but price-to-storage is excessively high and you need to keep them powered to retain data.)NamelessPlayer
recomendation for the fasted, most reliable 1tb 7,200k HDD on the market? Cause the one i have is crap.

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I heard the Western Digital Black 640GB was one of the better 7,200 HDD's out there so this is a bit of a surprise

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#9 blazinpuertoroc
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I heard the Western Digital Black 640GB was one of the better 7,200 HDD's out there so this is a bit of a surprise

ninjabeaver1

maybe yours a 32mb cache?

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recomendation for the fasted, most reliable 1tb 7,200k HDD on the market? Cause the one i have is crap.

blazinpuertoroc
From my limited research, the two reasonably-priced options seem to be this Samsung Spinpoint F1 and this WD Caviar Black. The former is a bit more affordable, though. Of course, I'd probably want to do even more research, as I'm pretty much asking the same question. My current WD5000AAKS just doesn't offer enough space at the moment, and I want a drive to offload backup images and assorted data to...or perhaps become my new primary OS drive, if it's appreciably faster.
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Kingston just came out with a 40Gig SSD for around $85 w/ mail-in rebate that just might tickle your fancy.....

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1111/1/

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Kingston just came out with a 40Gig SSD for around $85 w/ mail-in rebate that just might tickle your fancy.....

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1111/1/

XRED_0

sounds good

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[QUOTE="ninjabeaver1"]

I heard the Western Digital Black 640GB was one of the better 7,200 HDD's out there so this is a bit of a surprise

blazinpuertoroc

maybe yours a 32mb cache?

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

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#15 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="ninjabeaver1"]

I heard the Western Digital Black 640GB was one of the better 7,200 HDD's out there so this is a bit of a surprise

BOONE123

maybe yours a 32mb cache?

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

mine is a 16mb cache and it took my computer 1 minute and 30 to boot. Any idea what the problem is? messed up harddrive?

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I have a 160Gb 8mb cache IDE Seagate Hdd that only takes about 45sec -1 minute to load XP but only takes 30 seconds to load Win 7. Boot up times all depends what is being loaded at startup and how fragmented the drive is. A fragmented drive and or alot of startup stuff can increase load times up to 25%, I would do three things. First cleanup the Pc with CCleaner, shutoff all non needed programs from startup, then using a free defrag prgram (windows sucks) and scan your pc for spyware & viruses
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

recomendation for the fasted, most reliable 1tb 7,200k HDD on the market? Cause the one i have is crap.

NamelessPlayer

From my limited research, the two reasonably-priced options seem to be this Samsung Spinpoint F1 and this WD Caviar Black. The former is a bit more affordable, though. Of course, I'd probably want to do even more research, as I'm pretty much asking the same question. My current WD5000AAKS just doesn't offer enough space at the moment, and I want a drive to offload backup images and assorted data to...or perhaps become my new primary OS drive, if it's appreciably faster.

Isn't the F3 1TB better though? And it isn't expensive! I saw it on ebuyer (UK) for £55 and that is a good price here.

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I doubt 10k rpm vs 7200 rpm will change boot times dramatically and is boot time srsly that important? If you use AVG I find boot times are longer with it than lets say Avast or soemthing. In windows XP you used to have an option to change the PC to boot with multiple cores in the boot.ini tab in system config. It made it slightly faster. I know it had issues in windows vista and I have no idea about windows 7.
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

recomendation for the fasted, most reliable 1tb 7,200k HDD on the market? Cause the one i have is crap.

polarwrath11

From my limited research, the two reasonably-priced options seem to be this Samsung Spinpoint F1 and this WD Caviar Black. The former is a bit more affordable, though. Of course, I'd probably want to do even more research, as I'm pretty much asking the same question. My current WD5000AAKS just doesn't offer enough space at the moment, and I want a drive to offload backup images and assorted data to...or perhaps become my new primary OS drive, if it's appreciably faster.

Isn't the F3 1TB better though? And it isn't expensive! I saw it on ebuyer (UK) for £55 and that is a good price here.

You're right-I overlooked the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB because it was out of stock, and thus not on the top of the Newegg list where I usually look. Makes me wish I had US$80 right now-or, better yet, double that so that I can get my first taste of RAID (albeit the inferior motherboard variety since I definitely can't afford to spend hundreds on a true hardware RAID card).
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#20 Makari
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[QUOTE="BOONE123"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]maybe yours a 32mb cache?

blazinpuertoroc

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

mine is a 16mb cache and it took my computer 1 minute and 30 to boot. Any idea what the problem is? messed up harddrive?

The 640GB drives, 16mb or 32mb, are some of the best 7200RPM's on the market. Unless your drive is just plain broken, it's something else with your computer.
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="BOONE123"]

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

Makari

mine is a 16mb cache and it took my computer 1 minute and 30 to boot. Any idea what the problem is? messed up harddrive?

The 640GB drives, 16mb or 32mb, are some of the best 7200RPM's on the market. Unless your drive is just plain broken, it's something else with your computer.

Agreed. Can you explain what is happening during boot. Like what screens are up and for how long.
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if your running vista try making sure that the readyboost service is turned on.. if all your looking for is faster boot times.

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Kingston just came out with a 40Gig SSD for around $85 w/ mail-in rebate that just might tickle your fancy.....

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1111/1/

XRED_0
That one looks cool.
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If you want to boot up fast MSCONFIG is your friend!

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#26 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="ninjabeaver1"]

I heard the Western Digital Black 640GB was one of the better 7,200 HDD's out there so this is a bit of a surprise

BOONE123

maybe yours a 32mb cache?

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

damn and our specs are almost the same! Would a 16mb to a 32mb make that much of a different? I noticed you have an X58 mobo too...

any tips? any certain settings in the bios? any tweaks? or is it that your cache is better?

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Get a small space SDD to bott off of, and keep your old drive to have all your programs and data. This is if you want the fastest boot times you can get.
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#28 Makari
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[QUOTE="BOONE123"]

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]maybe yours a 32mb cache?

blazinpuertoroc

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

damn and our specs are almost the same! Would a 16mb to a 32mb make that much of a different? I noticed you have an X58 mobo too...

any tips? any certain settings in the bios? any tweaks? or is it that your cache is better?

It's your Windows install. Something is up with it, but it's impossible to tell what from here. The cache makes maybe a 1% difference in boot times. Again, you have pretty much one of the fastest platter-based drives around. If you had a SSD the boot times would probably still suck, honestly. :D
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#29 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]

[QUOTE="BOONE123"]

I have a 640gb 7,200 rpm, WD 32mb cache and boot times is about 45+ sec.

Makari

damn and our specs are almost the same! Would a 16mb to a 32mb make that much of a different? I noticed you have an X58 mobo too...

any tips? any certain settings in the bios? any tweaks? or is it that your cache is better?

It's your Windows install. Something is up with it, but it's impossible to tell what from here. The cache makes maybe a 1% difference in boot times. Again, you have pretty much one of the fastest platter-based drives around. If you had a SSD the boot times would probably still suck, honestly. :D

any idea what is up with it? What I should do?

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#30 erglesmergle
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please spend your money on something else. a 7200rpm hdd is fine. forget 10k. **** ssd.

you can buy a 5870 with that money.