SOPA,death of internet!

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#51 toddx77
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] No simply for the sake, of course there is money involved and more importantly power. Elann2008

Ok I don't know much about politics but 1. shouldn't we the people be voting on this? 2. Doesn't the president have to sign the bill to make it legal? I can't imagine Obama signing this since that would piss the youth off and he gets majority of his votes from them.

not sure how much he cares about his "next" term if it even happens. :P

Wouldn't he want to make sure he is re elected like any other politician? Unless it isn't signed into law after his re election so it doesn't matter. It takes a while ofr a bill to become a law right? I saw the Urkel video in high school lol.

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#52 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="toddx77"]

Ok I don't know much about politics but 1. shouldn't we the people be voting on this? 2. Doesn't the president have to sign the bill to make it legal? I can't imagine Obama signing this since that would piss the youth off and he gets majority of his votes from them.

toddx77

not sure how much he cares about his "next" term if it even happens. :P

Wouldn't he want to make sure he is re elected like any other politician? Unless it isn't signed into law after his re election so it doesn't matter. It takes a while ofr a bill to become a law right? I saw the Urkel video in high school lol.

Gonna teach u two things about life my friend: 1- politicians don't really care about people voting or what they think 2- their first goal is to get re-elected, everything else is secondary
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#53 bonafidetk
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In a worst case scenario any site which has end user input could be shut down if the US government deems it so. Any site with end user input can potentially infringe on copyright. Copyright doesnt even need to be infringed, just the potential for infringement is enough. The stupid thing is that the most of the people deciding about SOPA dont understand it or can even use the internet.

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#54 toddx77
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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

Wouldn't he want to make sure he is re elected like any other politician? Unless it isn't signed into law after his re election so it doesn't matter. It takes a while ofr a bill to become a law right? I saw the Urkel video in high school lol.

FelipeInside

Gonna teach u two things about life my friend: 1- politicians don't really care about people voting or what they think 2- their first goal is to get re-elected, everything else is secondary

I know I know lol, I was just thinking that since Obama needs the youth to be re elected and the youth will be most upset about this passing he might do sometihng different. But I know its not worth it to put your faith in a politician.

In a worst case scenario any site which has end user input could be shut down if the US government deems it so. Any site with end user input can potentially infringe on copyright. Copyright doesnt even need to be infringed, just the potential for infringement is enough. The stupid thing is that the most of the people deciding about SOPA dont understand it or can even use the internet.

bonafidetk

So would wearing a superman shirt while on youtube talking about why I love pc gaming be considered copy right infringment? What about putting up pictures from convetions of people cosplaying as characters?

As for the people deciding on SOPA not knowing how to use the internet, think that could be their down bringing if the defence could turn that against them?

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#55 HyperWarlock
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So America can take down sites without reason. So basicly the internet is becoming a dictatorship.

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#56 Jabby250
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Used sales are socially acceptable everywhere. It was a thriving business where I live during the good old Soviet days, and we sure as hell weren't capitalists back then. You can't stop people from selling and buying used stuff, either directly from the seller or from some random reseller.

Nobody needs to find a way to make a profit from piracy. People need to change their business model so that pirates don't provide better service. I believe the problems are the result of the generation gap between the people in charge of various industries and their consumers. It's natural and I am not really bothered by the future - even if SOPA becomes law. Time will solve this problem.

Baranga

But what kind of service? People keep saying that offering a better service is the way to go but they implicitly refer to the current market/laws that are in place. Whether trying to offer 'a better service' always leads to success is debatable imo (see: CDProjekt), as is the viability to achieve that goal for some companies. Arguing that offering a better service is the solution is useless when no one can agree on what that is.

Taking down torrent sites is a more precise goal -- and why wouldn't corporations fight for that -- instead of trying to compete with piracy? You could argue it's egoistical but companies like Google are only against the law because it's intrusive upon their own business practices.

A great start would be to stop worrying about theoretical dollars.

The problem is not "how do I stop pirates from pirating?" but "how do I make more people pay me?".

Netflix, Steam, OnLive and its peers, the humble bundles, Roku, Trent f*cking Reznor - all employ great business practices that benefit the user more than piracy does. They're run by people that understand that the digital age needs different business models. It blows my mind that we're in the year 2012, in the middle of the digital age and with quantum computers already in use, and we still make baby steps on issues like digital rentals, non-fixed pricing, p2p distribution and so on.

There is no single "better service solution". The entities I listed above all have radically different models, and they all have success. At this point it's clear that the business models of RIAA, major game publishers and every SOPA supporter are not good enough anymore. In an age where the consumer has as much power as the producer, the producer can't act like a monolithic entity anymore. It has to think outside the box. Of course some fail, miserbly even (Microsoft lol). But that is not a good reason to stop trying. The current generation simply won't accept these stagnating business models when they see examples of people doing something better for them in the same field.

As for CD Projekt, they made a lot of money from TW2. It was pirated - and it also sells much faster and without dropping the base price as much as the first game. IIRC right around the time their German piracy misadventures backfired, someone from GOG mentioned converted pirates bring more business than people that come from search engines.

You can't bring down torrent sites as long as there are no laws made specifically for that. You can't "interpret" current laws to bring them down because that sets up a dangerous precedent. And you can't make a torrent-killing law because torrents and torrent sites are not an "evil" technology - that's like banning cars because there are car accidents.

Yes, there are always success stories, and people who can come up with a million reasons about why they're so successful. If only everyone could predict with the same certainty what leads to success and what doesn't, we'd all be basking in millions [slightly irrelevant, I know].

We look at piracy and say it's not killing industries. Which is true. But who knows 'what could have been'? Trying to compete with pirates, or even bringing them to subscribe to your service -- any business decision that has the potential to bring more money -- isn't that also 'worrying about theoretical dollars'?

And I knew it would eventually be brought up, the last paragraph. Thing is, cars are as much necessary as they can be dangerous. Gauging what's right or wrong to restrict merely based on the principle of it is very superficial imo (i.e. things like gun restriction should only be considered IF there are problems).

So what I'd rather ask about torrenting is 'Is it safe?' Whether it's 'evil' or not isn't the problem. We should be looking exactly at how it's used the most.

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#57 linuxuser2006
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The closest analogy I can think of with this bill would be discovering a plugged porcelain umentionable and "clearing" it with TNT. This bill would get rid of piracy (the plug), but by effectively shutting down the internet (the porcelain unmentionable).

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#58 MickaelJulliard
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I don't know much about SOPA, or politics, but this all sounds too much to me, I reckon that if this did happen the government are only doing it because they can, I don't reckon people would actually be getting in trouble for stuff.

Although it'd still be better if they didn't pass it...

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#59 boybrushdred
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="toddx77"]

What do they get out of cencorsing us though? I know politicians are stupid, but there has to be some money making motive.

toddx77

It's not about money, it's about control. Any Government wants as much control over it's people as possible. This has been the human way (unfortunately) since the Stone Age.

So they just want to control the internet simply for the sake of having control? *sigh* this is I hate politcal people. The world government from one piece is starting to look good.

its all about money and power. i've watched one of those SOPA videos on youtube and here's how i understand the situation and how the US government works. a lobbyist hired by an interest group will present their proposal to US lawmakers. when the proposal or bill gets passed, the lawmakers who helped to get the bill approved will be supported by this interest group financially on their election/re-election campaigns.

for example, the Motion Picture Assoc of America is battling with piracy. lobbyist will present the MPAA's position to lawmakers. these lobbyists may bribe enough lawmakers to help the bill get passed. and when it passed they will get financial support for campaigns. the problem with SOPA is that it is worded poorly. simple posting of a movie or videogame screenshot or video will get you to jail. not only the uploader will be apprehended but also the site where the copyrighted content was posted (facebook, twitter, youtube, even gamespot). because of SOPA, these sites may go down or may undergo drastic changes. so even non-US citizens will be affected by this.

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#60 DarkblueNinja
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This is all you need to know about SOPA ------>> http://www.businessinsurance.org/behind-sopa-what-it-means-for-business-and-innovation/ Why do USA make the rest of the world suffer :(
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#61 DanielDust
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Well thought I should share this with people that care, which should be the whole world, especially people that didn't know or hear about this (personally i just noticed big and influential countries already signed this, just found out)

Apparently ACTA, was already adopted by America and other countries (EU didn't confirm or deny yet).

SOPA, PIPA, etc, they'd never stop, now ACTA which was kept a secret for years and this was already signed. SOPA and PIPA war just used as diversions for all this bs that will sooner or later overwhelm the entire world unless people act together, then again with such measures they can stop such "gatherings" with ease and block the right of any idividual.