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#1 ultrapc
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Hello, I have a Logitech G35 headset and recently I've been thinking of getting a better set of headphones along with a decent sound card , Thing is i am limited to what I can find in the market , I've heard a lot of good things about the sennheisers and i did look around for them , the only ones i could find were the HD 555 and the HD 598 , the HD 598 being way over my budget . As for the sound card , the only ones i could find were cheap creative ones and a couple of highend ones , those are the ones i could find :

The sound blaster x-fi titanium fatal1ty champion series

http://www.amazon.com/Express-Blaster-Titanium-Fatal1ty-Champion/dp/B001BDPLJA/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330367901&sr=1-5

and the creative sound blaster titanium 70SB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102024

The price difference between the two is not that high where i live, so i could get any of them . so,

1)which sound card is better ?

2)would they work fine with the HD555 or would i need an amp ?,

3)would i notice a difference in quality going from the G35s?

4)is an amp necessary ? again , I am limited to what i can find.

Thanks in advance .

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#2 Bozanimal
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Consider the Headphone FAQ (sticky) at the top of the forum for suggestions on headphones.

As for sound card, Asus and HT|Omega are generally considered superior in terms of value to most Creative Sound Blaster options. Some of the other users will certainly have suggestions on particular models, though my understanding is that the value cards lie at the $40-$50 and $200 price points, with little in between.

Good luck,

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Normally, I'd mention the Xonar DG as the value option of choice (only $30, maybe less with rebates), but the entry-level X-Fi Titanium is available on Newegg for $36, and since it has the proper X-Fi DSP, that gives it the edge in gaming audio. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102043 If you're really willing to pay $100-120 for a sound card, you need to be looking at the X-Fi Titanium HD. Otherwise, save yourself some money and get that refurb X-Fi Titanium I just linked. I don't think the HD 555 benefit much from a dedicated headphone amp if at all, if Head-Fi hearsay is anything to go by, so focus on getting a good sound card with the relevant gaming DSP features and reasonably good sound quality (no hissing or buzzing) first. If that's not good enough, add an audiophile DAC with S/PDIF input into the chain. [QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Consider the Headphone FAQ (sticky) at the top of the forum for suggestions on headphones. As for sound card, Asus and HT|Omega are generally considered superior in terms of value to most Creative Sound Blaster options. Some of the other users will certainly have suggestions on particular models, though my understanding is that the value cards lie at the $40-$50 and $200 price points, with little in between.

Well, the problem is that cheap Creative cards tend to lack the X-Fi DSP that makes them relevant gaming cards, and only the Titanium HD has sound quality worthy of a $100+ price tag. The baseline X-Fi Titanium needs to be closer to $35, to compete with the Xonar DG. And since Creative has a lot of PC gaming audio tech in their tight grasp, most game developers and players end up just sidestepping Creative anyway...with the unfortunate result that alternative solutions have worse positional audio than games released a decade ago or even six years ago. We're stuck with 7.1 at the most now, instead of true 3D binaural sound and no limits on speaker configurations. (ARGH, FORUM SOFTWARE! Quit glitching out and messing up my posts!)
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]Normally, I'd mention the Xonar DG as the value option of choice (only $30, maybe less with rebates), but the entry-level X-Fi Titanium is available on Newegg for $36, and since it has the proper X-Fi DSP, that gives it the edge in gaming audio. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102043 If you're really willing to pay $100-120 for a sound card, you need to be looking at the X-Fi Titanium HD. Otherwise, save yourself some money and get that refurb X-Fi Titanium I just linked. I don't think the HD 555 benefit much from a dedicated headphone amp if at all, if Head-Fi hearsay is anything to go by, so focus on getting a good sound card with the relevant gaming DSP features and reasonably good sound quality (no hissing or buzzing) first. If that's not good enough, add an audiophile DAC with S/PDIF input into the chain. [QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Consider the Headphone FAQ (sticky) at the top of the forum for suggestions on headphones. As for sound card, Asus and HT|Omega are generally considered superior in terms of value to most Creative Sound Blaster options. Some of the other users will certainly have suggestions on particular models, though my understanding is that the value cards lie at the $40-$50 and $200 price points, with little in between.

Well, the problem is that cheap Creative cards tend to lack the X-Fi DSP that makes them relevant gaming cards, and only the Titanium HD has sound quality worthy of a $100+ price tag. The baseline X-Fi Titanium needs to be closer to $35, to compete with the Xonar DG. And since Creative has a lot of PC gaming audio tech in their tight grasp, most game developers and players end up just sidestepping Creative anyway...with the unfortunate result that alternative solutions have worse positional audio than games released a decade ago or even six years ago. We're stuck with 7.1 at the most now, instead of true 3D binaural sound and no limits on speaker configurations. (ARGH, FORUM SOFTWARE! Quit glitching out and messing up my posts!)

Thanks alot for your input . but again I'm limited to what i found which were the two cards i linked in my OP, btw how does the X-fi platinum Fatal1ty compare to the platinum HD ? Is the Fatal1ty good enough ?
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Thanks alot for your input . but again I'm limited to what i found which were the two cards i linked in my OP, btw how does the X-fi platinum Fatal1ty compare to the platinum HD ? Is the Fatal1ty good enough ?ultrapc
Why are you limited to those two particular cards? In fact, I just linked you the same card on Newegg (same place, even), only much, much cheaper, like it should be priced. To my knowledge, the Titanium Fatal1ty cards are the same thing as the baseline Titanium, except with an EMI shield, 64 MB of RAM for X-RAM support instead of the usual 16 MB, and in this case, an overpriced front-panel audio bay. I suggest either getting the basic X-Fi Titanium or stepping up to the X-Fi Titanium HD (which the Titanium Fatal1ty is NOT; the Titanium HD is a specific card targeted toward hi-fi users with excellent stereo sound quality, but only has two analog channels), especially at those prices.
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#6 ultrapc
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[QUOTE="ultrapc"]Thanks alot for your input . but again I'm limited to what i found which were the two cards i linked in my OP, btw how does the X-fi platinum Fatal1ty compare to the platinum HD ? Is the Fatal1ty good enough ?NamelessPlayer
Why are you limited to those two particular cards? In fact, I just linked you the same card on Newegg (same place, even), only much, much cheaper, like it should be priced. To my knowledge, the Titanium Fatal1ty cards are the same thing as the baseline Titanium, except with an EMI shield, 64 MB of RAM for X-RAM support instead of the usual 16 MB, and in this case, an overpriced front-panel audio bay. I suggest either getting the basic X-Fi Titanium or stepping up to the X-Fi Titanium HD, especially at those prices.

I live in Dubai , i just linked the cards so you guys know what I'm talking about :P anyway, I'll look around some more for the titanium HD , if not then i'll get the baseline titanium .thanks again.
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#7 NamelessPlayer
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I live in Dubai , i just linked the cards so you guys know what I'm talking about :P anyway, I'll look around some more for the titanium HD , if not then i'll get the baseline titanium .thanks again. ultrapc
Oh! Well, if I knew you lived in Dubai, my perspective would've been a bit different if I knew you couldn't get some of the good deals we have here in the US. I've noticed that Creative cards tend to have a habit of going up in price overseas, often to uncompetitive levels. Still, good luck in your findings. The difference may not be as drastic in games with software-processed audio, but in games that use DirectSound3D and/or OpenAL, there's no contest.
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So the only sennheisers you can find are the 555 and 558?

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#9 ultrapc
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So the only sennheisers you can find are the 555 and 558?

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I could only find the HD 555 and the 598 , I've already ordered the HD 555 but now my trouble is with the sound card , only two i could find were Sound blaster Titanium (baseline model) and the Titanium fatal1ty but with out the front bay (same cards i linked in the OP) and other cheap sound cards ,I'm not sure which one to go with , I've looked everywhere for the titanium HD but couldn't find it .Which of those two cards would you recommend knowing the difference in price between the two is around $55 ? and if i go with either of them will i notice a big upgrade in sound quality from onboard audio ?

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From what I can see the less expensive card does everything the Fatal1ty does at a lower price point, but lacks certain connectivity and Dolby Digital Live, the latter of which you only really use for home theater purposes. Both cards support EAX 5.0 and X-Fi CMSS-3D natively, which are the two functions you would be concerned about. They use mostly the same DAC and have identical SNR, so you're not sacrificing sound quality by going with the less expensive card. In my opinion, save yourself a few bucks. Boz
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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]From what I can see the less expensive card does everything the Fatal1ty does at a lower price point, but lacks certain connectivity and Dolby Digital Live, the latter of which you only really use for home theater purposes. Both cards support EAX 5.0 and X-Fi CMSS-3D natively, which are the two functions you would be concerned about. They use mostly the same DAC and have identical SNR, so you're not sacrificing sound quality by going with the less expensive card. In my opinion, save yourself a few bucks. Boz

Then i guess I'll just go with the baseline Titanium card , Should i expect a big upgrade in music / gaming sound quality going from on board audio to sound card/HD 555 combo ?
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From what I can see the less expensive card does everything the Fatal1ty does at a lower price point, but lacks certain connectivity and Dolby Digital Live, the latter of which you only really use for home theater purposes. Both cards support EAX 5.0 and X-Fi CMSS-3D natively, which are the two functions you would be concerned about. They use mostly the same DAC and have identical SNR, so you're not sacrificing sound quality by going with the less expensive card. In my opinion, save yourself a few bucks. BozBozanimal

The only difference between the Titanium and Titanium Fatal1ty is that the Fatal1ty has more X-RAM which, aside from a select few years ago, games or any applications never use. You'll still get DDL and DTS-Connect. Hell there are drivers out there that unlock them for free and are much better than the default Creative drivers. Highly recommend searching the internet for Daniel-K or other modder's drivers.

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Then i guess I'll just go with the baseline Titanium card , Should i expect a big upgrade in music / gaming sound quality going from on board audio to sound card/HD 555 combo ? ultrapc
The X-Fi headphone amp should be superior to the on-board amp, but whether you personally notice depends on you and your system. Some users get heavy noise through their onboard audio; clicks, buzzing, and whistles. Others get nothing. You might find it's a huge improvement. I have a decent on-board audio chipset and I enjoy it immensely without any audible distortion or interference. I do not get hardware supported EAX or simulated headphones surround, though. You can check out the Creative CMSS 3D demos, which is basically their Dolby Headphone equivalent. It is a pretty neat effect, and you may find that it helps you in certain games. Or you might just find it annoying. I'm curious to see how you like it, so swing back after you get both of them hooked up. :) Happy gaming, Boz