Starcraft 2 is and Arcade RTS.

It's unrealistic and the interface is intentionally designed to limit you.

There is no whether effect, no terrain deformation.

Objects don't hit units and damage them.

There is no gravity system when playing on space platform map, like Scrapstation. The gravity there should have been lower.

The unit/building scale are not correct. How could a factory produce a Thor (which is huge)?

There are many more examples.

By the way, Starcraft 2 is a superbly made game and extremely polished and fun.

But it is just pure fun, there is not a whole other level of depth in it.

It's not a simulative RTS, rather, it is an Arcade RTS.

starcraft is built in sci-fi world , how the hell you can simulate that ?.Farkeman

The unit/building scale are not correct. How could a factory produce a Thor (which is huge)?

Ravenchrome

I am not trolling.

Just stating my opinion.

I am not trolling.

Just stating my opinion.

Ravenchrome

What the heck made you think Starcraft 2 was a simulator? :lol:

Objects don't hit units and damage them.

If by arcade you mean "without useless gimmicks", then yes, I agree.

More games should go the arcade way.

If by arcade you mean "without useless gimmicks", then yes, I agree.

More games should go the arcade way.

Mograine

If lacking a realistic physics system is grounds for being an "arcade game", then practically every single game out there is an "arcade game".

Pleaso show me one rts game witch isnt arcade :D

Pleaso show me one rts game witch isnt arcade :D

kazakauskas

I understand what you mean TC, but Most RTS games that ever came out follow the same pattern.

But I don't really see the problem, although I am a little disappointed to find out there is not weather in SC2? Is that true?

I will still end up picking it up in about 5-6 months or so.

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Pleaso show me one rts game witch isnt arcade :D

Vfanek

Oh , didnt actually play this game .

It's unrealistic and the interface is intentionally designed to limit you.

There is no whether effect, no terrain deformation.

Objects don't hit units and damage them.

There is no gravity system when playing on space platform map, like Scrapstation. The gravity there should have been lower.

The unit/building scale are not correct. How could a factory produce a Thor (which is huge)?

There are many more examples.

By the way, Starcraft 2 is a superbly made game and extremely polished and fun.

But it is just pure fun, there is not a whole other level of depth in it.

It's not a simulative RTS, rather, it is an Arcade RTS.

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If by arcade you mean "without useless gimmicks", then yes, I agree.

More games should go the arcade way.

kieranb2000

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

If by arcade you mean "without useless gimmicks", then yes, I agree.

More games should go the arcade way.

NanoMan88

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

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[QUOTE="kieranb2000"] So true. Not to mention all those gimmicks are incredibly hard to balance, and the one RTS dev that has used them has never managed to even remotely balance their games. @OP: SC2 is a much more Competitive RTS than most, that's why it doesn't use any of the things that you listed. Get over it. Vfanek

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

Have a look at the top 20 in the world and look how many are terran respective to their zerg and protoss counterparts. I am gold btw and dont play that much.

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

If by arcade you mean "without useless gimmicks", then yes, I agree.

More games should go the arcade way.

NanoMan88

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

Has anyone ever even played an RTS at an arcade before?...

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I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

NanoMan88

Have a look at the top 20 in the world and look how many are terran respective to their zerg and protoss counterparts. I am gold btw and dont play that much.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="NanoMan88"]

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

NanoMan88

Have a look at the top 20 in the world and look how many are terran respective to their zerg and protoss counterparts. I am gold btw and dont play that much.

I thought the same as the TC at first, but the more I play the more I realize there is an insane amount of depth. The depth comes from a different place, mind you; it comes from efficiency and unit composition and counters primarily while with more realistic RTS games the depth comes from destructible environments and using cover effectively.

I personally prefer more 'gimmicky'/realistic RTS games because I have fun almost all of the time, even when i'm losing, whereas with SC 2 its only fun when you are winning, and since I simply don't have the time to play the game enough to get decent I spend most of my time losing, and by association raging.

I don't think one is better than the other, they are simply different, like Arma 2 and CoD 4. Same 'genre' but totally different games.

I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

NanoMan88

I'm sure if you know balance so well you can also point out what is imbalanced at the moment.

Only TvZ has balancing issues that I know of. Early reaper harass puts too much pressure on the zerg and (imo) ghosts are too efficient at countering everything a zerg can come up with, and this comes from someone who has only 15 played ladder matches right now.

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I dont agree with what that guy said but Starcraft 2 isnt balanced either.

Mograine

I'm sure if you know balance so well you can also point out what is imbalanced at the moment.

Only TvZ has balancing issues that I know of. Early reaper harass puts too much pressure on the zerg and (imo) ghosts are too efficient at countering everything a zerg can come up with, and this comes from someone who has only 15 played ladder matches right now.

Ghosts are hardly imbalanced versus zerg. The reaper build is a bit silly though.Vfanek

As I said, I only have 15 matches played in platinum, and put a imo before saying that. A handful of ghosts purge infestors to 0 energy, can one-shot banelings like a effin gatling and take down ultralisks and mutalisks easily with snipe.

Looking at my replays I'm also inclined to say that it may be more of a field positioning issue rather than a balance one, tho.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]Ghosts are hardly imbalanced versus zerg. The reaper build is a bit silly though.Mograine

As I said, I only have 15 matches played in platinum, and put a imo before saying that. A handful of ghosts purge infestors to 0 energy, can one-shot banelings like a effin gatling and take down ultralisks and mutalisks easily with snipe.

Looking at my replays I'm also inclined to say that it may be more of a field positioning issue rather than a balance one, tho.

But there are a lot better ways to take out ultras and mutas for terran . If you watch few high lvl games , you will notice that almost none terran players use ghosts against zerg , only against protoss .

And that's why I love it.

I don't like SC2, the forced rushing is boring.

Supcom is a vastly superior RTS IMO. The only way I could see that not being true is if you like the MP fast games.

Meh, its a great game

lol, it's supposed to be arcady.

I understand what you're saying OP, I agree, but that's not working against it. SC has strategy in a different place.

I think you'd be better suited to COH, which I love as well. And I share the same sentiments at times. Infantrymen are small, tanks are large and threatening. Love it.

You guys ever wonder if they made a Starcraft (or even modification) with unit sizes to scale? Then we'd have massive battlecruiser and carrier battles in orbit over planets :P

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"] I'm sure you know that, Mr. Bronze.Vfanek

Have a look at the top 20 in the world and look how many are terran respective to their zerg and protoss counterparts. I am gold btw and dont play that much.

Nice job side stepping against my points and going for my rank. If your denying that the game is balanced right now your full of it

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Have a look at the top 20 in the world and look how many are terran respective to their zerg and protoss counterparts. I am gold btw and dont play that much.

NanoMan88

Nice job side stepping against my points and going for my rank. If your denying that the game is balanced right now your full of it

That's the point dude. All of that is intentional.

The unit/building scale are not correct..

Ravenchrome

Fun >>>>>>>> realism.

SC2 is fun. It's not realistic, has a stupid plot (seriously, Blizzard got a bit lazy there), looks like a cartoon and uses the same 10 years old formula.

But the gameplay kicks ass. And that's what matters the most to me, cause it's a game, duh.

The better term you should have used is simplistic gameplay/visuals. Its got nothing on company of heroes.

The better term you should have used is simplistic gameplay/visuals. Its got nothing on company of heroes.

zaku101

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"] Top 20 at Blizzard rankings? Hehe, okay. Oh you're gold, that makes you an expert on the subject of game balance.Vfanek

Nice job side stepping against my points and going for my rank. If your denying that the game is balanced right now your full of it

The person I originally commented on said other RTS games are not balanced, let me guess he is a pro at all those other RTS games? why dont you STFU and stop being so biased? So I guess only 3 zerg in the top 20 is normal right? I dont have to be a pro to read the rankings. Also im not saying how it should be changed I leave that to the people who are better than me, its better than putting my head in the sand and screaming everything is alright with the game.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="NanoMan88"]

Nice job side stepping against my points and going for my rank. If your denying that the game is balanced right now your full of it

NanoMan88

The person I originally commented on said other RTS games are not balanced, let me guess he is a pro at all those other RTS games? why dont you STFU and stop being so biased? So I guess only 3 zerg in the top 20 is normal right? I dont have to be a pro to read the rankings. Also im not saying how it should be changed I leave that to the people who are better than me, its better than putting my head in the sand and screaming everything is alright with the game.