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SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.BounceDKZoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\
[QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.darklord888Zoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh.
[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.BounceDKZoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh. Err yeah it's pretty much a giant minimap that you can move units around on and if im wrong what is this wonderful queuing system? By the way just wondering have you played the full version of C&C3 or just think its crap?
[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.darklord888Zoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh. Err yeah it's pretty much a giant minimap that you can move units around on and if im wrong what is this wonderful queuing system? By the way just wondering have you played the full version of C&C3 or just think its crap? I'm wondering the same thing about you talking in riddles when it comes to SupCom. Did you even try it? ... And I did try the demo of C&C3, and from what I saw, it's pretty basic (aka rehashed with nothing new in it).
[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.BounceDKZoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh. Err yeah it's pretty much a giant minimap that you can move units around on and if im wrong what is this wonderful queuing system? By the way just wondering have you played the full version of C&C3 or just think its crap? I'm wondering the same thing about you talking in riddles when it comes to SupCom. Did you even try it? ... And I did try the demo of C&C3, and from what I saw, it's pretty basic (aka rehashed with nothing new in it). I use to own SC until I sold it. How am I talking in riddles? The zoom is pretty much a huge minimap where you can set waypoints and move your units arounds.
[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.darklord888Zoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh. Err yeah it's pretty much a giant minimap that you can move units around on and if im wrong what is this wonderful queuing system? By the way just wondering have you played the full version of C&C3 or just think its crap? I'm wondering the same thing about you talking in riddles when it comes to SupCom. Did you even try it? ... And I did try the demo of C&C3, and from what I saw, it's pretty basic (aka rehashed with nothing new in it). I use to own SC until I sold it. How am I talking in riddles? The zoom is pretty much a huge minimap where you can set waypoints and move your units arounds. Now it's pretty obvious you've never tried it. Later.
[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="BounceDK"]SupCom owns C&C3 in every way. C&C3 is just a rehashed version of a game we all played 500 years ago, and it shows. SupCom brings uber zoom and the awesome queue system into play.BounceDKZoom into a minimap and queuing 500 units is awesome? =\ Minimap? LMAO... You haven't tried the queuing system yet it seems, so shhh. Err yeah it's pretty much a giant minimap that you can move units around on and if im wrong what is this wonderful queuing system? By the way just wondering have you played the full version of C&C3 or just think its crap? I'm wondering the same thing about you talking in riddles when it comes to SupCom. Did you even try it? ... And I did try the demo of C&C3, and from what I saw, it's pretty basic (aka rehashed with nothing new in it). I use to own SC until I sold it. How am I talking in riddles? The zoom is pretty much a huge minimap where you can set waypoints and move your units arounds. Now it's pretty obvious you've never tried it. Later. Whatever. How about you bother explaining how you think it works rather than just keeping on saying I haven't played it? Because from what I've played that is exactly how it is.
Now it's pretty obvious you've never tried it. Later.BounceDK
From what I played in the Supreme Commander demo, what he's describing is exactly how it played.
You can zoom out really far and it eventually turns into a giant minimap like what he described. From there you can see everything that's happening (represented by tiny icons) and order units around, etc.
The waypoint system is pretty cool .. you hold a key (can't remember .. was it SHIFT?) and can que up building commands, etc. and even after you've queued them up, you can hold down the key again and see in what order they're queued up and even cancel some of them and so on.
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I personally prefer C&C 3, though. It's a bit faster paced and the games don't last quite as long. I prefer shorter games but that's just me. :D I also didn't like the units or building designs much in Supreme Commander.. just weren't exciting enough for me.Â
I played the SupCom demo and the C&C demo. I can tell you unless you got a pretty good system your not going to beable to play supcom properly. Also SupCom's skirmish AI is horrible and easy to beat. I'd say SupCom is more innovative and has more deapth so it will probably be a better game if you plan on playing online against human opponents because like I said the computer opponents are just too easy. The only good thing I can tell you about C&C is it will run alot smoother. I'm personally holding on and waiting till I build my new PC this summer and then I'm going with SupCom. C&C just doesn't interest me as far as gameplay, the only interest I have in it after playing the demo is its name its a C&C game.
try demos and decide for yourself, personally - i'd say neither, get dawn of war
because it's all about personal preference - what the guy above me likes is different to what i like, and what you like may be different to the both of us - both games are good, albeit for very different reasons - so it's not a matter of which is better, but which you prefer
that's what demos are there forÂ
I agree with the above poster. And to tell you the truth I loved Dawn of War especially Dark Crusade. Company of Heroes is awsome too. So if you haven't tried those out you may want to consider them as well. Dark Crusade is probably the best as far as having more replay value as far as the single player and it has 7 very unique factions that all play very differently and yet they are pretty well balanced. It just has more content then any of the other 3 titles that have been discussed. And the skirmish ai is much better than supcom, so is CoH's but I think DoW's ai is tougher to beat on the higher settings than CoH.
Links to Demos of afore mentioned games.
SupCom
http://files.filefront.com/Supreme+Commander+Demo/;6698411;/fileinfo.html
C&C3
http://files.filefront.com/Command++Conquer+3+Tiberium+Wars+Demo/;6821954;/fileinfo.html
CoH
http://files.filefront.com/Company+of+Heroes+Single+Player+Demo/;5473388;/fileinfo.html
DoW: Dark Crusade
http://files.filefront.com/Warhammer+Dawn+of+War+++Dark+Crusade+Demo/;5467596;/fileinfo.html
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I own the full version of SC and i can say its a very good rts. I can play the game at medium-high in 1680x1050 and get between 20-40fps (specs in sig), which is acceptable for a rts imo, so i dont think the performance problem is that big as ppl say. As for ppl who say the game is slow-paced...u clearly havent played online against good player. Games on 5x5 and 10x10km maps often lasts less than 30mins, all of which is action. The only time the game is more slowed-pace (aka ppl turtle alot before attacking) is when playing on bigger maps (20x20km and +), but then, these kind of maps arent really meant to be played in 1vs1. The only place SC is lacking is singleplayer : the campaign isnt that interesting and the skirmish is pretty much crap due to the AI. Ive had a blast playing it online tho, probably my best rts experience since wc3.
 As for cnc3, ive only played the demo but from what ive seen and heard its very faced-paced, games rarely lasts longer than 30mins. The campaign is interesting,story is good,the ai is alright but i havent played in mp so i dunt know how it is. The games runs smoother than sc, but personnally i like sc graphics better. But the reason i like sc more is because i think cnc3 is too basic, it works the same way as most older rts and it isnt very innovative, but then, if u like it this way, good for you. In sc, you have to scout ur opponent a lot to know what hes building so you can counter it, maps are big so you have a lot of room to maneuver your army and also i think its more realistic (artilerry and some other units have crazy range,you haver radar and sonar to detect incoming units(tho that can be counter by stealth),you need to build missile defence, etc....). In cnc3 units fire at eachother at very short distance, which is silly since its supposed to be set in the future.
my vote goes to supreme commander.
I own the full version of SC and i can say its a very good rts. I can play the game at medium-high in 1680x1050 and get between 20-40fps (specs in sig), which is acceptable for a rts imo, so i dont think the performance problem is that big as ppl say. Franky12321
20-40fps with your CPU and you don't find it a problem?
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My advice? Go with CoH, Dark Crusade or C&C. It's not that Supcom is a bad game (cause it's not, I think it's very good), it's just that the others are a safe bet. Â
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 C&C:3
If you like a game which is very fast and looks pretty then this is your choice. However playing does not really require too much thought as it is mostly a spam fest with quick tactics rather than strategy. I played the demo and wasn't impressed, but then again for the the C&C series ended withe RA2 (love that game).
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Firstly you are going to need a good PC to run this properly. THis game is more innovative than C&C3, with things like strat zoom that renders most RTS's (for me) unplayable because im so used to zooming out to see the big picture. For those who say it is a glorified minimap... yes it is, but its a hell of a lot more too. It basicly means that you can control more units at once and because the maps in supcom are huge, you need to be able to control more stuff at once and queue waypoints and attack orders. In general supcom is more strategy oriented and less about micro.
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[QUOTE="Franky12321"]I own the full version of SC and i can say its a very good rts. I can play the game at medium-high in 1680x1050 and get between 20-40fps (specs in sig), which is acceptable for a rts imo, so i dont think the performance problem is that big as ppl say. _Pedro_
20-40fps with your CPU and you don't find it a problem?
Um...no. 20-40fps at the resolution im playing and during battle is good. It gets up to 50 fps, but thats only when there isnt much going on
I have both games and have now played both of them extensively. About 50 hours on C&C 3 and several hundred hours on Supreme Commander. If you like RTS games, you must own both these games.
 C&C 3 has strong single player game and the AI is competent from what I've seen so far. The graphics in C&C 3 are definitely more detailed and the factories have tons of cool animation. C&C 3 does not a have a navy aspect. Tha's ok but it is worth mentioning. It's a bit old school RTS but ties together some small innovations in interface, formations, and the planing system where you can chart out all your moves and then execute them on your command. Very cool. C&C 3 has a pretty easy learning curve and would please most any new RTS player and it's fun for veteran RTS players as well.
Supreme Commander plays much differently than C&C 3 but is very good in it's own right. The main thing here is scale. You can pick map sizes that are incredibly large and end up with battles with 500 or more units on each side. Provided of course you have the rig that can handle the requirements. Battles in SC have range and distance that outscales anything I've played. That is fun and much different than close range tactics in C&C 3, COH, Warcraft 3, etc. The campaign in Supreme Commander is not as strong as C&C 3. Skirmishes however in SC are great and strong water units make for very interesting battles on water maps. Supreme Commander has a steeper learning curve in strategy and interface. Some new RTS players may like it but it's really pretty hardcore from an RTS standpoint. Watching the video tutorials provided in the game is a must to see some of the potential in the game. To be honest if I could have just one it would be this game. But that is mostly because it is so different than other RTS titles in terms of scale and strategy. Â
 Bottom line... Buy both if you like RTS games. If not sure which to buy first, then get the demos and play on skirmish until you can beat the AI on the hardest level. Then you'll know which one you like the best.
Honestly you kinda asked for a war by starting this topic. Check the previews of each and the reviews and try the demos. Making your own mind up will be the most useful.
The guy has a freaking avatar of Kane of course his opinion is hugely bias as most peoples is.
Just download the demos and decide for yourself, but if you have 56k or something and do not want to spend the time buy C&C 3. SupCom is basically a MP only game.
C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^gamerchris810
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Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
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Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^RequimRex
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Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
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Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
[QUOTE="RequimRex"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^smokeydabear076
Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="RequimRex"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^RequimRex
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Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
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Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^RequimRex
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Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
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Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
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And smokey obviously only played the game for about 10 min or less. Â
[QUOTE="RequimRex"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]C & C by far supreme commander was so crap. prob worst game ive ever been on. C & C tho, one of the best ^^onemic
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Whats with all the uneducated CnC fanboys constantly attacking Supcom? Yes the game will seem boring to any ignorant fool who jumps right into the game, plays it for 10 minutes then comes here to type that crap, but when you know how to play the dam game it is extremely fast paced not to mention the number of features that speed it up even faster, honestly if you know how to play SC you'd really have to be out of your mind to want it faster because the game is just so dam fast.
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Thats Supcom's biggest problem the mass impatience and ignorance within most people, I bet more then 2/3rd of the people who think they hate supcom would end up loving it if they took the time to understand it.
Sad, I think as games get more complex were going to see more of this crap, people saying the games bad because they haven't a clue what there doing, Supcom's build up patterns are far different from other RTS games so if you don't know what your doing it is snail slow. And btw if all you played is the single player mission you only had access to about 5% of the games units, skirmish ftw.
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And smokey obviously only played the game for about 10 min or less.
Wow... is that a fact?well by the way you're posting you probably haven't played it that long. That's a fact. It's either that or you just sucked at the game. onemicBaseless assumptions are facts?:roll:
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="onemic"]well by the way you're posting you probably haven't played it that long. That's a fact. It's either that or you just sucked at the game. onemicBaseless assumptions are facts?:roll: LMAO well you're not denying it. How long have you played Supcom and how long have you played CnC 3? I will enlighten you with my Xfire profile after you answer those questions.
ummm my xfire sig is right there so go look at it yourself. Even though it says 10 hours I've played a lot longer than that(I got xfire recently) CNC3 should also be in my profile as I got that game 2 days ago. Like I said before if you actually have played supcom for a while, then you probably just suck because any decent player knows that supcom is indeed fast paced. onemicThat is what I thought. Anyways I never said anything about the speed of the game, I just said the game is boring and I do not play boring games for long periods of time therefore I only have 6 hours(I have limited experience due to the fact that I find it boring) and I have won every single MP game that I have played in Supcom.
[QUOTE="onemic"]ummm my xfire sig is right there so go look at it yourself. Even though it says 10 hours I've played a lot longer than that(I got xfire recently) CNC3 should also be in my profile as I got that game 2 days ago. Like I said before if you actually have played supcom for a while, then you probably just suck because any decent player knows that supcom is indeed fast paced. smokeydabear076That is what I thought. Anyways I never said anything about the speed of the game, I just said the game is boring and I do not play boring games for long periods of time therefore I only have 6 hours(I have limited experience due to the fact that I find it boring) and I have won every single MP game that I have played in Supcom. What do you mean that is what you thought? And why do you think the game is boring then?
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Oh and I mixed you and the guy with the kane avatar up(forgot his username) I meant to quote him not you so this whole argument got started for nothing lol. Anyway you said the game is boring so I would just like to know why. Â
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="onemic"]ummm my xfire sig is right there so go look at it yourself. Even though it says 10 hours I've played a lot longer than that(I got xfire recently) CNC3 should also be in my profile as I got that game 2 days ago. Like I said before if you actually have played supcom for a while, then you probably just suck because any decent player knows that supcom is indeed fast paced. onemicThat is what I thought. Anyways I never said anything about the speed of the game, I just said the game is boring and I do not play boring games for long periods of time therefore I only have 6 hours(I have limited experience due to the fact that I find it boring) and I have won every single MP game that I have played in Supcom. What do you mean that is what you thought? And why do you think the game is boring then? I thought that you had played SupCom for more than 10 hours. SupCom just doesn't appeal to me. It is not like I am the only one that feels this way. Just like people do not like C&C.
 Well if you want to jump down people's throats for being "ignorant" gamers, then get SupCom apparently. SupCom fans remind me of progressive rock or Jazz fans, if you don't like it they just assume you just didn't "get it" or understand it. They remind me of the comic book guy from The Simpsons.
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 I have tried both demos and I think they were both good at what they were trying to accomplish. SupCOm has massive wars with a deeper queing system and Tiberium Wars seems more close quarters and tactical. If you like Macro go for SupCom, if you like fast paced-Micro with a slick interface then get Tiberium Wars...no Kari Wahrer jugs this time around though :(
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 Tiberium Wars would have been better with underground units and walls though(like Tiberian Sun).
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