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#1 nyzma23
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i'm gonna use my saving to buy win 8 tablet ,what do you think i should buy razerd edge or surface pro (i use mostly for work than gaming)
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#2 Marfoo
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Probably the Surface Pro. It's easier to carry around, has a 1080p screen and it has a digitizer for taking handwritten notes and making drawings (super useful imo). You may also want to look into what Lenovo has to offer concerning Win8 Tablets, they have some pretty competitive stuff.
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Just do yourself a favour and get a touch screen ultrabook =/ Both devices are highly flawed.
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#4 nyzma23
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Just do yourself a favour and get a touch screen ultrabook =/ Both devices are highly flawed.

i'm looking for computer that fit in my purse but i herd acer s7 is small and thin wha da you think
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#6 yonyz
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We can throw recommendations left and right but we don't know what you're looking for in a laptop. The Acer S7 starts at 1300 USD (up to 1550 USD), and it seems to have a 1080p IPS display and a touch screen and is an ultrabook. It also includes a dual core i5 running at 1.9 ghz and 2x128GB SSD drives. 4 GB RAM too. These specs are excellent, and a quality screen is very important, but the keyboard and trackpad are "meh". These two things are what you use mostly to interact with your computer/laptop, which is why I bought myself a Lenovo U310 (the non-touch version), which has a great trackpad and a keyboard that's not shallow and feels good to type on, but I bought it for school, to use with Word, so I really needed a good keyboard. Tell us how you're gonna use your laptop so we can better help you.
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#7 lostrib
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neither, because they're dumb

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#8 Marfoo
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neither, because they're dumb

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To you. I would get tons of utility out of a full-OS tablet. Just depends on your needs.

EDIT: Basically everyone I know with a Surface Pro is a professional of some sort that travels a lot and needs a full OS. Like engineers, a ton of my engineering buddies have them.

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#9 ZetA_LatA
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Neither, wait for the second or third iterations of these machines. First wave products - no thanks. 

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#10 FelipeInside
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neither, because they're dumb

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Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.
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#11 8-Bitterness
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Definitely get the Surface Pro if you can't get a good ultrabook. For the love of god just don't get the razer edge.
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#12 masterdrat
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I would consider buying a razor edge pro but if you want it for work, the surface pro is your best bet. Because the keyboard of the razor edge looks like it weight a ton and the battery will last twice as long (3 hours compared to one and a half). Also, both will come with a heavy power supply but it's still half the weight of an ultra-book.
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#13 FelipeInside
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I would consider buying a razor edge pro but if you want it for work, the surface pro is your best bet. Because the keyboard of the razor edge looks like it weight a ton and the battery will last twice as long (3 hours compared to one and a half). Also, both will come with a heavy power supply but it's still half the weight of an ultra-book.masterdrat
The Surface Pro battery doesn't last 1.5 hrs, where did u hear that?
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#14 masterdrat
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[QUOTE="masterdrat"]I would consider buying a razor edge pro but if you want it for work, the surface pro is your best bet. Because the keyboard of the razor edge looks like it weight a ton and the battery will last twice as long (3 hours compared to one and a half). Also, both will come with a heavy power supply but it's still half the weight of an ultra-book.FelipeInside
The Surface Pro battery doesn't last 1.5 hrs, where did u hear that?

I said 3 hours compared to 1.5 for the razor edge pro.
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#15 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="masterdrat"]I would consider buying a razor edge pro but if you want it for work, the surface pro is your best bet. Because the keyboard of the razor edge looks like it weight a ton and the battery will last twice as long (3 hours compared to one and a half). Also, both will come with a heavy power supply but it's still half the weight of an ultra-book.masterdrat
The Surface Pro battery doesn't last 1.5 hrs, where did u hear that?

I said 3 hours compared to 1.5 for the razor edge pro.

ahhhh...thx for the clear up.
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#16 SKaREO
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I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Razer garbage. I refuse to spend money on their pretty boxes with absolute junk inside.
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neither, because they're dumb

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Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.
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#18 masterdrat
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

neither, because they're dumb

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Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

You tried to connect to your work network with them?
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If you want a windows 8 tablet, there are better ones out there than the surface pro.

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#20 masterdrat
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If you want a windows 8 tablet, there are better ones out there than the surface pro.

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There's only the Acer which was 50$ cheaper for the equivalent of the surface, I have yet to hear if the component are of the same quality. Edit: Acer not Asus
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[QUOTE="masterdrat"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

You tried to connect to your work network with them?

No but you can get a bloody 11.5 inch asus vivobook thats cheaper than a surface pro and does everything it can.... only with a good keyboard.... alot longer battery life and is actually comfortable to use on the lap.
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http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-vivobook-s200e-c157h-11-6-touchscreen-laptop-dark-grey-18893012-pdt.html Literally less than half the price of a Surface Pro..... You loose the detachable keyboard aspect and that is it.
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

If you want a windows 8 tablet, there are better ones out there than the surface pro.

masterdrat
There's only the Acer which was 50$ cheaper for the equivalent of the surface, I have yet to hear if the component are of the same quality. Edit: Acer not Asus

Surface pro is useless because of the tiny battery life
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#24 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

neither, because they're dumb

MBirdy88
Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

Did you just compare an Android Tablet with a Full Blown OS? Nah, I must of read wrong...
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#25 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="masterdrat"][QUOTE="kraken2109"]

If you want a windows 8 tablet, there are better ones out there than the surface pro.

kraken2109
There's only the Acer which was 50$ cheaper for the equivalent of the surface, I have yet to hear if the component are of the same quality. Edit: Acer not Asus

Surface pro is useless because of the tiny battery life

I don't get this, the Surface Pro lasts 4 hours with normal usage, what's wrong with that? Yes, there are other ones that last a bit longer but by no means is it useless.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

Did you just compare an Android Tablet with a Full Blown OS? Nah, I must of read wrong...

What functions do you do that you couldnt on an android tablet? I dont tell me "play windows games" the damn device runs nothing modern. also, moving foward, why should i get a £900 surface pro when I can get a £450 Asus vivobook....
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

Did you just compare an Android Tablet with a Full Blown OS? Nah, I must of read wrong...

What functions do you do that you couldnt on an android tablet? I dont tell me "play windows games" the damn device runs nothing modern. also, moving foward, why should i get a £900 surface pro when I can get a £450 Asus vivobook....

Ehhh....basically just install any x86 software? join a corporate network? thousands of examples. If you want to compare an Android Tablet, do it with the Surface RT, not the Pro. Also, there are lots of options available. Yes, the Surface is a bit more expensive but it offers a few extra things than the cheaper Tablets. The Surface is basically a hybrid of sorts. There are tablets that are more expensive than the Surface Pro too you know...
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[QUOTE="masterdrat"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Surface Pro dumb? Ok then. It's a great combination of tablet and laptop worlds.

why? pleanty of text editors on android tablets, pleanty of attachable keyboards on other tablets ..... which are alot cheaper, last alot longer, and have much better TABLET applications.

You tried to connect to your work network with them?

That's the truth right here. Anytime you have to get some real work done Android and iOS just don't cut it. You need a full OS, and that's where "Pro" in surface comes in.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Did you just compare an Android Tablet with a Full Blown OS? Nah, I must of read wrong...

What functions do you do that you couldnt on an android tablet? I dont tell me "play windows games" the damn device runs nothing modern. also, moving foward, why should i get a £900 surface pro when I can get a £450 Asus vivobook....

Ehhh....basically just install any x86 software? join a corporate network? thousands of examples. If you want to compare an Android Tablet, do it with the Surface RT, not the Pro. Also, there are lots of options available. Yes, the Surface is a bit more expensive but it offers a few extra things than the cheaper Tablets. The Surface is basically a hybrid of sorts. There are tablets that are more expensive than the Surface Pro too you know...

Why is the Asus Vivobook not being addressed? Its a 11 inch Touch screen ultrabook ... has 500gb storage, i5 , HDMI/VGA .... other than detachable keyboard and for that niche digitizer you lose nothing. infact I argue removing the keyboard is bad anwyay at least the vivobook can go on your lap.
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#30 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] What functions do you do that you couldnt on an android tablet? I dont tell me "play windows games" the damn device runs nothing modern. also, moving foward, why should i get a £900 surface pro when I can get a £450 Asus vivobook....

Ehhh....basically just install any x86 software? join a corporate network? thousands of examples. If you want to compare an Android Tablet, do it with the Surface RT, not the Pro. Also, there are lots of options available. Yes, the Surface is a bit more expensive but it offers a few extra things than the cheaper Tablets. The Surface is basically a hybrid of sorts. There are tablets that are more expensive than the Surface Pro too you know...

Why is the Asus Vivobook not being addressed? Its a 11 inch Touch screen ultrabook ... has 500gb storage, i5 , HDMI/VGA .... other than detachable keyboard and for that niche digitizer you lose nothing. infact I argue removing the keyboard is bad anwyay at least the vivobook can go on your lap.

What do you mean "not being addressed"??? The VivoBook is an awesome tablet, I was nearly going to buy one a few months back.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Ehhh....basically just install any x86 software? join a corporate network? thousands of examples. If you want to compare an Android Tablet, do it with the Surface RT, not the Pro. Also, there are lots of options available. Yes, the Surface is a bit more expensive but it offers a few extra things than the cheaper Tablets. The Surface is basically a hybrid of sorts. There are tablets that are more expensive than the Surface Pro too you know...

Why is the Asus Vivobook not being addressed? Its a 11 inch Touch screen ultrabook ... has 500gb storage, i5 , HDMI/VGA .... other than detachable keyboard and for that niche digitizer you lose nothing. infact I argue removing the keyboard is bad anwyay at least the vivobook can go on your lap.

What do you mean "not being addressed"??? The VivoBook is an awesome tablet, I was nearly going to buy one a few months back.

Its not a tablet.... its a friggin ultrabook... And the whole point of my comments is these current "Windows 8 Pro Tablets are highly overpriced and offer next to nothing over a laptop with touch." The current flock of "Hybrid tablets" are a joke, that includes the Surface Pro.
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#32 nyzma23
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thanks guys i decide to buy surface pro with type cover :cool: 

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="masterdrat"] There's only the Acer which was 50$ cheaper for the equivalent of the surface, I have yet to hear if the component are of the same quality. Edit: Acer not Asus

Surface pro is useless because of the tiny battery life

I don't get this, the Surface Pro lasts 4 hours with normal usage, what's wrong with that? Yes, there are other ones that last a bit longer but by no means is it useless.

4 hours is half what many other tablets offer.
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] Surface pro is useless because of the tiny battery life

I don't get this, the Surface Pro lasts 4 hours with normal usage, what's wrong with that? Yes, there are other ones that last a bit longer but by no means is it useless.

4 hours is half what many other tablets offer.

Yeah but it's a darn i5, of course it's going to have less battery life than another tablet with an Atom Processor in it.
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Why is the Asus Vivobook not being addressed? Its a 11 inch Touch screen ultrabook ... has 500gb storage, i5 , HDMI/VGA .... other than detachable keyboard and for that niche digitizer you lose nothing. infact I argue removing the keyboard is bad anwyay at least the vivobook can go on your lap.

What do you mean "not being addressed"??? The VivoBook is an awesome tablet, I was nearly going to buy one a few months back.

Its not a tablet.... its a friggin ultrabook... And the whole point of my comments is these current "Windows 8 Pro Tablets are highly overpriced and offer next to nothing over a laptop with touch." The current flock of "Hybrid tablets" are a joke, that includes the Surface Pro.

Again, depends on what you need it for. That's why I love that PCs have so many different brands and models, for each use. What YOU find useless or a joke might be the perfect thing for someone else, and vice-versa.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] What do you mean "not being addressed"??? The VivoBook is an awesome tablet, I was nearly going to buy one a few months back.

Its not a tablet.... its a friggin ultrabook... And the whole point of my comments is these current "Windows 8 Pro Tablets are highly overpriced and offer next to nothing over a laptop with touch." The current flock of "Hybrid tablets" are a joke, that includes the Surface Pro.

Again, depends on what you need it for. That's why I love that PCs have so many different brands and models, for each use. What YOU find useless or a joke might be the perfect thing for someone else, and vice-versa.

What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt!? of similar size and power.... tell me? Otherwise, your rehashed statement is just meaningless. I wont dispute a windows 8 tablet/hybrid will eventually be good. But surface and quivilants are horrible value for money for any kind of user.... its ironic people bash macs here with something like surface getting praise.
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Its not a tablet.... its a friggin ultrabook... And the whole point of my comments is these current "Windows 8 Pro Tablets are highly overpriced and offer next to nothing over a laptop with touch." The current flock of "Hybrid tablets" are a joke, that includes the Surface Pro.

Again, depends on what you need it for. That's why I love that PCs have so many different brands and models, for each use. What YOU find useless or a joke might be the perfect thing for someone else, and vice-versa.

What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt!? of similar size and power.... tell me? Otherwise, your rehashed statement is just meaningless. I wont dispute a windows 8 tablet/hybrid will eventually be good. But surface and quivilants are horrible value for money for any kind of user.... its ironic people bash macs here with something like surface getting praise.

I don't get what you mean. You say the Surface is an Ultrabook, but then you ask "What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt?" Why does the Surface have to do something which no other tablet or laptop can? It's just another Tablet/Laptop Hybrid, made by Microsoft. Like I said before, you buy the model you want depending on what you want. I personally like the idea of the Touch Keyboard/Cover on the Surface, and the Kickstand. There are some other models that offer other things. The Asus VivoTab for example is the lightest I've lifted. etc etc etc. Surface has pros and cons, just like every other Tablet.
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Honestly, after owning a Windows 8 tablet for a few days - then returning the thing after three nights of headaches dealing with it), I personally can't recommend these hybrid tablets at all. Went out and purchased a small notebook after that, haven't been happier since. The tablet was horribly unintuitive, Windows 8 is an utter disaster in terms of cross compatibility between tablet and laptop functions (leaping between the two). And I was certain I was going to really, really like the thing - and that it was perfect for me. Whelp, I was wrong.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I don't get what you mean. You say the Surface is an Ultrabook, but then you ask "What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt?" Why does the Surface have to do something which no other tablet or laptop can? It's just another Tablet/Laptop Hybrid, made by Microsoft. Like I said before, you buy the model you want depending on what you want. I personally like the idea of the Touch Keyboard/Cover on the Surface, and the Kickstand. There are some other models that offer other things. The Asus VivoTab for example is the lightest I've lifted. etc etc etc. Surface has pros and cons, just like every other Tablet.

Conceptually it's a great idea. In practice, gosh. I picked up a Vivo Tab - full Win 8 and it was a massive headache, and it quickly dawned on me how unintuitive it all was. As a good fellow on /g/ once said 'you're only going to be productive with a keyboard' and it was glaringly obvious with that thing. Bluetooth keyboards I used, gosh, not good at all either. Now don't get me wrong the Surface has a USB port, an i5 processor and so on, neat, and I can see it working well for some people (that pen input, super rad), however honestly the technology still doesn't seem to be quite there yet. They're bad laptops, and not-so-good tablets at the moment, from my own experiences; honestly if I was going to buy a tablet now it would be an Android one or iOS.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I don't get what you mean. You say the Surface is an Ultrabook, but then you ask "What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt?" Why does the Surface have to do something which no other tablet or laptop can? It's just another Tablet/Laptop Hybrid, made by Microsoft. Like I said before, you buy the model you want depending on what you want. I personally like the idea of the Touch Keyboard/Cover on the Surface, and the Kickstand. There are some other models that offer other things. The Asus VivoTab for example is the lightest I've lifted. etc etc etc. Surface has pros and cons, just like every other Tablet.

Conceptually it's a great idea. In practice, gosh. I picked up a Vivo Tab - full Win 8 and it was a massive headache, and it quickly dawned on me how unintuitive it all was. As a good fellow on /g/ once said 'you're only going to be productive with a keyboard' and it was glaringly obvious with that thing. Bluetooth keyboards I used, gosh, not good at all either. Now don't get me wrong the Surface has a USB port, an i5 processor and so on, neat, and I can see it working well for some people (that pen input, super rad), however honestly the technology still doesn't seem to be quite there yet. They're bad laptops, and not-so-good tablets at the moment, from my own experiences; honestly if I was going to buy a tablet now it would be an Android one or iOS.

What happened? You didn't get around the Metro Menu? I don't OWN a Win8 Tablet but I've used a few and it's the most comfortable thing I've used in the touch world. Multi-tasking is better than Android or iOS. Granted, you're not going to write an essay on a on-screen keyboard, a real keyboard is always better than that, but I find it hard to say it's "non-productive" when I see many people use it for work.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]What happened? You didn't get around the Metro Menu? I don't OWN a Win8 Tablet but I've used a few and it's the most comfortable thing I've used in the touch world. Multi-tasking is better than Android or iOS. Granted, you're not going to write an essay on a on-screen keyboard, a real keyboard is always better than that, but I find it hard to say it's "non-productive" when I see many people use it for work.

It was a mix of the Metro interface the desktop being utterly ill suited for eachother - the desktop demands keyboard input and isn't intuitive for touch - however to do any major tweaking metro apps take you to the desktop control panel and so on. If I want to use openoffice for instance, bam, I'm sent to the desktop - same with any 'normal' desktop computing - so you need an actual physical keyboard to be productive. Now I had a major problem where drivers were conflicting, the windows button decided to stop functioning as well as bluetooth - but just the act of trying to fix things, jumping from Metro to desktop to metro again and again - as well as the metro interface, while suited for touch for sure - just isn't nearly as robust as that on droid or osx (even if there are some neat features), and the Windows store alone, gosh, it's a wasteland at the moment. In the end it was a frustrating mess. If you're using a desktop interface efficiently you want a trackpad and keyboard - simple as that; I figured a bluetooth mouse and keyboard would do the trick and I was mistaken - in terms of intuitiveness and the actual driver and mess of problems. What needs to happen - as far as I'm concerned is a metro interface that fully integrates / reimagines the desktop for tablets - separate to desktops, as far as I'm concerned.
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#42 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]What happened? You didn't get around the Metro Menu? I don't OWN a Win8 Tablet but I've used a few and it's the most comfortable thing I've used in the touch world. Multi-tasking is better than Android or iOS. Granted, you're not going to write an essay on a on-screen keyboard, a real keyboard is always better than that, but I find it hard to say it's "non-productive" when I see many people use it for work.

It was a mix of the Metro interface the desktop being utterly ill suited for eachother - the desktop demands keyboard input and isn't intuitive for touch - however to do any major tweaking metro apps take you to the desktop control panel and so on. If I want to use openoffice for instance, bam, I'm sent to the desktop - same with any 'normal' desktop computing - so you need an actual physical keyboard to be productive. Now I had a major problem where drivers were conflicting, the windows button decided to stop functioning as well as bluetooth - but just the act of trying to fix things, jumping from Metro to desktop to metro again and again - as well as the metro interface, while suited for touch for sure - just isn't nearly as robust as that on droid or osx (even if there are some neat features), and the Windows store alone, gosh, it's a wasteland at the moment. In the end it was a frustrating mess. If you're using a desktop interface efficiently you want a trackpad and keyboard - simple as that; I figured a bluetooth mouse and keyboard would do the trick and I was mistaken - in terms of intuitiveness and the actual driver and mess of problems. What needs to happen - as far as I'm concerned is a metro interface that fully integrates / reimagines the desktop for tablets - separate to desktops, as far as I'm concerned.

Very weird. I'm using Windows 8 at the moment on my desktop with ZERO problems actually. Everything works, and fast. I have Start8 which basically makes me not even need to go to Metro (I don't even see it at Boot). I can go into Metro though if I need to or have an app on there. For tablets, the way to go is the Metro Interface and Apps. For Hybrids, you have a Keyboard and Mousepad anyway so it's basically the same as a desktop/laptop.
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I have a Surface Pro, it's great as it's the first worthwhile tablet that can actually do tasks of a Laptop. That said if you're not bothered about the Tablet functionality, then just get a Laptop for half the price.
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I have a Surface Pro, it's great as it's the first worthwhile tablet that can actually do tasks of a Laptop. That said if you're not bothered about the Tablet functionality, then just get a Laptop for half the price. Tixylixx

May I ask something about it? It hasn't released here yet in Australia.

Is it heavy? Is it noisy?  Does it get hot?

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Again, depends on what you need it for. That's why I love that PCs have so many different brands and models, for each use. What YOU find useless or a joke might be the perfect thing for someone else, and vice-versa.

What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt!? of similar size and power.... tell me? Otherwise, your rehashed statement is just meaningless. I wont dispute a windows 8 tablet/hybrid will eventually be good. But surface and quivilants are horrible value for money for any kind of user.... its ironic people bash macs here with something like surface getting praise.

I don't get what you mean. You say the Surface is an Ultrabook, but then you ask "What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt?" Why does the Surface have to do something which no other tablet or laptop can? It's just another Tablet/Laptop Hybrid, made by Microsoft. Like I said before, you buy the model you want depending on what you want. I personally like the idea of the Touch Keyboard/Cover on the Surface, and the Kickstand. There are some other models that offer other things. The Asus VivoTab for example is the lightest I've lifted. etc etc etc. Surface has pros and cons, just like every other Tablet.

I think you have mis-read what I have said. Surface = Hybrid-Tablet that is meant to have the full functionality of both a ultrabook and tablet ..... as Skrat sells they fall short of both... and they do, surface reviews have been really mediocre... its abttery life, storage and keyboard are nothing to write home about. the Asus Vivobook i linked is what I said was an ultrabook..... not the surface pro. My arguement is that vivobook is £450 pounds, has the same power and functionality, doesnt need a stupid 1-angle kickstand because its an ultrabook you can view it from actual GOOD angles for any situation, you get 500GB storage instead of a msealy what 80GB with the 126 GB model? Surface Pro with keyboard is literally TWICE the price. Its not suitable for anyone who isn't hyped up to the eye balls on it..... it really is a mediocre device... nothing to do with preferences. its a mediocre device and an incredibly premium price point. At least with apple products the devices are actually GOOD for their category.... I cant see any justification for a £900 device that offers less than a £450 device in EVERY aspect. Every other tablet is close to half or a quarter of the price and does NEARLY as much as a full desktop. but bluetooth keyboards suck. but then Ia rgue if you want to connect to a work network ect or have a kick stand or able to use a keyboard with it on your damn lap like we have for 20 years ..... then buy a blooming asus vivobook 11inch which does EVERYTHING a surface does for half the price and has better usability. I cant paint a simpler picture for you.... it really is a device with no real place. and defending people who buy it because "preference = law" doesn't stop it being a stupid choice.
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[QUOTE="Tixylixx"]I have a Surface Pro, it's great as it's the first worthwhile tablet that can actually do tasks of a Laptop. That said if you're not bothered about the Tablet functionality, then just get a Laptop for half the price. FelipeInside

May I ask something about it? It hasn't released here yet in Australia.

Is it heavy? Is it noisy? Does it get hot?

In terms of tablets, it is EXTREMELY heavy. In terms of practical use as well, but I mean is it THAT heavy...No. I'm not sure if that makes sense. It has to be less than 5 pounds, but still, it can feel cumbersome. It has moderate temperatures, nothing too worrisome.

I still prefer a laptop over both of them.

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[QUOTE="Tixylixx"]I have a Surface Pro, it's great as it's the first worthwhile tablet that can actually do tasks of a Laptop. That said if you're not bothered about the Tablet functionality, then just get a Laptop for half the price. FelipeInside

May I ask something about it? It hasn't released here yet in Australia.

Is it heavy? Is it noisy?  Does it get hot?

During normal tasks it's quiet, cannot hear it and notice no heat. When playing games like Skyrim you hear it and it gets a little bit hot, however I have it on the table then anyways, I wouldn't play that style of game when holding it tablet style. I don't think it is heavy, people complain about weight but unless you're very very weak, you wont be getting a work out.
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt!? of similar size and power.... tell me? Otherwise, your rehashed statement is just meaningless. I wont dispute a windows 8 tablet/hybrid will eventually be good. But surface and quivilants are horrible value for money for any kind of user.... its ironic people bash macs here with something like surface getting praise.

I don't get what you mean. You say the Surface is an Ultrabook, but then you ask "What does it do that a touch ultrabook doesnt?" Why does the Surface have to do something which no other tablet or laptop can? It's just another Tablet/Laptop Hybrid, made by Microsoft. Like I said before, you buy the model you want depending on what you want. I personally like the idea of the Touch Keyboard/Cover on the Surface, and the Kickstand. There are some other models that offer other things. The Asus VivoTab for example is the lightest I've lifted. etc etc etc. Surface has pros and cons, just like every other Tablet.

I think you have mis-read what I have said. Surface = Hybrid-Tablet that is meant to have the full functionality of both a ultrabook and tablet ..... as Skrat sells they fall short of both... and they do, surface reviews have been really mediocre... its abttery life, storage and keyboard are nothing to write home about. the Asus Vivobook i linked is what I said was an ultrabook..... not the surface pro. My arguement is that vivobook is £450 pounds, has the same power and functionality, doesnt need a stupid 1-angle kickstand because its an ultrabook you can view it from actual GOOD angles for any situation, you get 500GB storage instead of a msealy what 80GB with the 126 GB model? Surface Pro with keyboard is literally TWICE the price. Its not suitable for anyone who isn't hyped up to the eye balls on it..... it really is a mediocre device... nothing to do with preferences. its a mediocre device and an incredibly premium price point. At least with apple products the devices are actually GOOD for their category.... I cant see any justification for a £900 device that offers less than a £450 device in EVERY aspect. Every other tablet is close to half or a quarter of the price and does NEARLY as much as a full desktop. but bluetooth keyboards suck. but then Ia rgue if you want to connect to a work network ect or have a kick stand or able to use a keyboard with it on your damn lap like we have for 20 years ..... then buy a blooming asus vivobook 11inch which does EVERYTHING a surface does for half the price and has better usability. I cant paint a simpler picture for you.... it really is a device with no real place. and defending people who buy it because "preference = law" doesn't stop it being a stupid choice.

Is this the Asus one you're talking about? http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/asus-vivobook-x202e-dh31t.aspx
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I think I can talk about the Surface Pro, since I actually own one. For starters, yes, Windows 8 is unintuitive because it relies on swiping in from the edges - few other touchscreen operating systems do so. But, over the past few months, Microsoft has really improved their first party applications (Bing Finance, People, etc.) and I like the idea of a tablet OS being integrated with a desktop one. 

And plus, the pen is badass, especially with OneNote. 

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I think I can talk about the Surface Pro, since I actually own one. For starters, yes, Windows 8 is unintuitive because it relies on swiping in from the edges - few other touchscreen operating systems do so. But, over the past few months, Microsoft has really improved their first party applications (Bing Finance, People, etc.) and I like the idea of a tablet OS being integrated with a desktop one. 

And plus, the pen is badass. 

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Could you give insight on my previous questions too please? Is it heavy? Is it noisy? Does it get hot? I want to test it out but Australia hasn't gotten it yet...