SW: The Old Republic GAMEPLAY !!!

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I was talking to my brother about this today, and I know why they can't do it... they'd sacrifice mass appeal for "realism". Sometimes it's nice to see developers take some risks instead of playing it safe all the time. Why do all MMO's need to have a healer, tank, DPS, and all of that stuff? Why not something different... why not achieve the supposed embodiment of MMO's, individualism, and make a create your own class sort of thing?

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="trastamad03"]Star Wars sucks, it's for people who are attracted to long sticks that glow (all puns intended)... kinda like bugs. Bioware, give us Mass Effect MMO instead of this crap...FelipeInside

There you go wow-cloners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0LqCz0ywk

Watch this and think again if it's gonna be a clone.

What happened? Where are all the posts stating "wow-clone" "wow re-skinned"

Shows you didn't know anything about the game and still claimed you knew what it's gonna be.

There you go wow-cloners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0LqCz0ywk

Watch this and think again if it's gonna be a clone.

coreybg

There you go wow-cloners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0LqCz0ywk

Watch this and think again if it's gonna be a clone.

coreybg

Btw, I don't understand what's the big deal to be a WoW-clone. All mmo are WoW clone and WoW is a clone of EQ that was a clone of Meridian 59. Kotor combat is not fail because they will use the good old 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 for the skills. Kotor is just a Meridian59 clone

Btw, I don't understand what's the big deal to be a WoW-clone. All mmo are WoW clone and WoW is a clone of EQ that was a clone of Meridian 59. Kotor combat is not fail because they will use the good old 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 for the skills. Kotor is just a Meridian59 cloneFranko_3

Yes, exactly. What I am waiting for are the Ultima Online clones. SWG was one until it too, in SOE's and LA's infinite wisdom, became yet another EQ, err, I mean, Meridian59 clone. :D

This genre has become very stale and it needs a lot more diversity.

Launch day buy..

[QUOTE="Deano"]

the fact the consular had a lightsaber but never used it gave me horror flashbacks to when I paladin healed in WoW.

expect "LF healer" to be spammed in chat

we already know there is going to be an excess of people rolling jedi's

LTZH

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="trastamad03"]Star Wars sucks, it's for people who are attracted to long sticks that glow (all puns intended)... kinda like bugs. Bioware, give us Mass Effect MMO instead of this crap...trastamad03

There you go wow-cloners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0LqCz0ywk

Watch this and think again if it's gonna be a clone.

coreybg

This video proves it's not a wow-clone, but what the other people know.

We got a guy here who knows everything.

Next time I plan on buying a game I'll ask you which game was it cloned from ;)

This video proves it's not a wow-clone, but what the other people know.

We got a guy here who knows everything.

Next time I plan on buying a game I'll ask you which game was it cloned from ;)

coreybg

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

This video proves it's not a wow-clone, but what the other people know.

We got a guy here who knows everything.

Next time I plan on buying a game I'll ask you which game was it cloned from ;)

KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="coreybg"]

This video proves it's not a wow-clone, but what the other people know.

We got a guy here who knows everything.

Next time I plan on buying a game I'll ask you which game was it cloned from ;)

Treflis

Or even more general, like : this is an MMO.

If you don't like MMOs, you won't like SWTOR, if you do - this could be the game we have all been waiting for.

I liked MMORPGs but I don't think this is the game I've been waiting for. Maybe I'm just tired of the same basic formula being rehashed for the past 10+ years. If anything this recycling and the re-skinning of the same generic game is starting to make me dislike like MMORPGs. I guess it's simply too much to expect creativity and experimentation in today's corporate gaming market especially from companies like Bioware.

If you don't like MMOs, you won't like SWTOR, if you do - this could be the game we have all been waiting for.haberman13

Really looking forward to seeing SW:TOR. Hopefully it won't be just another WoWannabe but will add something different. I've been through LOTRO, DDO, and AoC now looking for something new. They all add little ideas here and there, but the basic: "! -> kill 50 foo -> ?" formula still holds, even down to the yellow ! and ? icons above npc heads.

Either way this looks like it will at least be worth a few weeks to play through a character or two.

I LOVE how 95% of the people who are already bashing this game will play it from day one...FelipeInside

Looks good, but the cartoonish graphics killed all my hype.dakan45

I don't think it's WoW re-skinned, although the graphics do look alike. It's BioWare, they are a quality company who know how to make RPGs...FelipeInside

Looks really good, will probally get it.

I'm going to try it out I'm sure, but the video didn't wow me at all. No pun intended.

Looks like any other MMO right now, just with cartoon like Star Wars skins wrapped over it. I'll give it a try, hope it's great.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="coreybg"]

This video proves it's not a wow-clone, but what the other people know.

We got a guy here who knows everything.

Next time I plan on buying a game I'll ask you which game was it cloned from ;)

Treflis

Incorrect. Ever heard of Eve Online? GTA:SA MP? Ultima Online? Shadowbane? Darkfall?

There are plenty of MMOs that don't put the focus around quest grinding. Even Everquest didn't have quest grind. It simply comes down to that most people here haven't even played an MMORPG that doesn't fall under a WoW clone and doesn't know what it looks like. The Old Republic could break from the mold by adding something unique to the game - that lets players shape the server in how they see fit - but it's too risky for these devs. They know that they can make money by copying WoW's formula and trying to expand on it - and that's exactly what they're going to do.

[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Adding voice overs to quests isn't really enough to justify it to be any different from a WoW clone. It follows WoW down to the bone - pick a class, do quests, level up, do group quests, rinse and repeat.KHAndAnime

Incorrect. Ever heard of Eve Online? GTA:SA MP? Ultima Online? Shadowbane? Darkfall?

There are plenty of MMOs that don't put the focus around quest grinding. Even Everquest didn't have quest grind.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I LOVE how 95% of the people who are already bashing this game will play it from day one...BornGamer

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]As with every single MMO out thereTreflis

Incorrect. Ever heard of Eve Online? GTA:SA MP? Ultima Online? Shadowbane? Darkfall?

There are plenty of MMOs that don't put the focus around quest grinding. Even Everquest didn't have quest grind.

[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

Incorrect. Ever heard of Eve Online? GTA:SA MP? Ultima Online? Shadowbane? Darkfall?

There are plenty of MMOs that don't put the focus around quest grinding. Even Everquest didn't have quest grind.

KHAndAnime

I said Just cause 2 could be considered a GTA Clone due to it being a Sandbox game where you can run, drive, fly and shoot whatever you want, While Crysis could be considered a Wolfenstein 3D clone because they both are a First Person Shooter.

And that is about the entire point I'm trying to make here.

That if something is a clone of the original first game with the same foundation then every game besides the originals are clones with just slight differences.

As for the entire Back to WoW thing, sure I'm not going to admit that won't happen but I'm certain several will play Star Wars The old Republic nevertheless because it might have things that WoW doesn't and that appeals more to them.

No one can predict what can happen when it is released however, how the reception will be and how many still plays it one year after the release.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Treflis"]I stand corrected, but even so If Bioware more or less just removed everything that reminded people of WoW then what would they have? To be honest I don't really see what the big deal is if it somewhat similar to WoW's gameplay, about every game is based on the foundation of another one and the differences tends to be some additional features, story and settings if that makes them all clones nevertheless then every game besides the first ones ever made are clones. Just cause 2 = Grand Theft Auto clone Crysis = Wolfenstein 3D clone And so on. Does Star Wars The Old republic have some differences but has the MMORPG gameplay setting that WoW uses?, Yes Does that make it a clone?, Technically yes. Is that a bad thing?Treflis

I said Just cause 2 could be considered a GTA Clone due to it being a Sandbox game where you can run, drive, fly and shoot whatever you want, While Crysis could be considered a Wolfenstein 3D clone because they both are a First Person Shooter.

And that is about the entire point I'm trying to make here.

That if something is a clone of the original first game with the same foundation then every game besides the originals are clones with just slight differences. As for the entire

Back to WoW thing, sure I'm not going to admit that won't happen but I'm certain several will play Star Wars The old Republic nevertheless because it might have things that WoW doesn't and that appeals more to them.

No one can predict what can happen when it is released however, how the reception will be and how many still plays it one year after the release.

Sorry, I meant Crysis. Crysis and Wolfenstein 3d and completely different types of FPS games. ToR on the otherhand is a very similar MMORPG to WoW. I don't see why anyone is excited for ToR because you can get it out of the way and play WoW right now and have the exact same experience. Do you people honestly think you're going to get a worthwhile story out of the ToR?

Kinda of like Counter-Strike - numerous multiplayer FPS games can try to copy its success through similarity but none of them will ever succeed because CS does it best. Numerous MMORPGs have tried to copy WoW's success and they've all failed. It's going to take more than voice acting and Star Wars to keep this game on the top. If you haven't noticed, a lot of people are bored of the WoW formula. They want something fresh. Early previews of ToR promised some unique aspects to the game but already some of them have been stripped away (Tank/DPS/Healer setup).

[QUOTE="Treflis"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Yea, it's a bad thing. If you're like me...or anyone who has played WoW - you'll play ToR, notice it's missing some things that WoW had, and you'll be right back to playing WoW. Why not try to appeal to people that WoW doesn't appeal to? Imagine what a unique concept would bring to the table? Just Cause 2 and Wolfenstein 3d are not even remotely similar in gameplay. ToR and WoW on the otherhand are likely to be identical in gameplay.KHAndAnime

I said Just cause 2 could be considered a GTA Clone due to it being a Sandbox game where you can run, drive, fly and shoot whatever you want, While Crysis could be considered a Wolfenstein 3D clone because they both are a First Person Shooter.

And that is about the entire point I'm trying to make here.

That if something is a clone of the original first game with the same foundation then every game besides the originals are clones with just slight differences. As for the entire

Back to WoW thing, sure I'm not going to admit that won't happen but I'm certain several will play Star Wars The old Republic nevertheless because it might have things that WoW doesn't and that appeals more to them.

No one can predict what can happen when it is released however, how the reception will be and how many still plays it one year after the release.

Sorry, I meant Crysis. Crysis and Wolfenstein 3d and completely different types of FPS games. ToR on the otherhand is a very similar MMORPG to WoW. I don't see why anyone is excited for ToR because you can get it out of the way and play WoW right now and have the exact same experience. Do you people honestly think you're going to get a worthwhile story out of the ToR?

Kinda of like Counter-Strike - numerous multiplayer FPS games can try to copy its success through similarity but none of them will ever succeed because CS does it best. Numerous MMORPGs have tried to copy WoW's success and they've all failed. It's going to take more than voice acting and Star Wars to keep this game on the top. If you haven't noticed, a lot of people are bored of the WoW formula. They want something fresh. Early previews of ToR promised some unique aspects to the game but already some of them have been stripped away (Tank/DPS/Healer setup).

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Never said Just cause 2 and Wolfenstein were similar to eachother.

I said Just cause 2 could be considered a GTA Clone due to it being a Sandbox game where you can run, drive, fly and shoot whatever you want, While Crysis could be considered a Wolfenstein 3D clone because they both are a First Person Shooter.

And that is about the entire point I'm trying to make here.

That if something is a clone of the original first game with the same foundation then every game besides the originals are clones with just slight differences. As for the entire

Back to WoW thing, sure I'm not going to admit that won't happen but I'm certain several will play Star Wars The old Republic nevertheless because it might have things that WoW doesn't and that appeals more to them.

No one can predict what can happen when it is released however, how the reception will be and how many still plays it one year after the release.

Treflis

Sorry, I meant Crysis. Crysis and Wolfenstein 3d and completely different types of FPS games. ToR on the otherhand is a very similar MMORPG to WoW. I don't see why anyone is excited for ToR because you can get it out of the way and play WoW right now and have the exact same experience. Do you people honestly think you're going to get a worthwhile story out of the ToR?

Kinda of like Counter-Strike - numerous multiplayer FPS games can try to copy its success through similarity but none of them will ever succeed because CS does it best. Numerous MMORPGs have tried to copy WoW's success and they've all failed. It's going to take more than voice acting and Star Wars to keep this game on the top. If you haven't noticed, a lot of people are bored of the WoW formula. They want something fresh. Early previews of ToR promised some unique aspects to the game but already some of them have been stripped away (Tank/DPS/Healer setup).

[QUOTE="Treflis"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

Sorry, I meant Crysis. Crysis and Wolfenstein 3d and completely different types of FPS games. ToR on the otherhand is a very similar MMORPG to WoW. I don't see why anyone is excited for ToR because you can get it out of the way and play WoW right now and have the exact same experience. Do you people honestly think you're going to get a worthwhile story out of the ToR?

Kinda of like Counter-Strike - numerous multiplayer FPS games can try to copy its success through similarity but none of them will ever succeed because CS does it best. Numerous MMORPGs have tried to copy WoW's success and they've all failed. It's going to take more than voice acting and Star Wars to keep this game on the top. If you haven't noticed, a lot of people are bored of the WoW formula. They want something fresh. Early previews of ToR promised some unique aspects to the game but already some of them have been stripped away (Tank/DPS/Healer setup).

KHAndAnime

=P

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Now this just sounds like another one of those " World of Warcraft is the best and that is final" speeches again.

Treflis

=P

[QUOTE="Treflis"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] WoW's boring. Grinding and questing is boring. Doing dailies is boring. Playing Battlegrounds is boring. And guess what - when ToR comes out, guess what I get to do? Grind, do quests, eventually do dailies, and then I'm sure some form of battlegrounds. They should try implementing something unique that people who played WoW will want to do. Not copy other MMOs. That's why just about every MMO that came out after WoW and before WoW has been doing poorly. The only exception that stands strong at the moment is Eve Online - and that game is too complicated for most people. If they combined some aspects of Eve and some aspects of WoW, then maybe we'd have an MMO juggernaut on our hands.

KHAndAnime

=P

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Treflis"]Well nobody is forcing you to play Star Wars: The old Republic

=P

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Obviously, but I'm just pointing out that ToR is indeed a WoW clone. And it's obvious MMORPG-dom is in a sad state of affairs if people think small variations in grinding and questing is enough to consider an MMORPG different.KHAndAnime

Those are all PvP MMO's though, which are a sub-genre of MMO's. PvP MMO's are all notoriously low budget and buggy at release, using those as examples doesnt make a whole lot of sense anymore then saying that Starcraft 2 is generic because it isnt like Civ. 5.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Obviously, but I'm just pointing out that ToR is indeed a WoW clone. And it's obvious MMORPG-dom is in a sad state of affairs if people think small variations in grinding and questing is enough to consider an MMORPG different.KHAndAnime

This game will be incredible... even if its "just" wow + kotor

In fact, please, give me wow + kotor

This game will be incredible... even if its "just" wow + kotor

In fact, please, give me wow + kotor

haberman13

And this is why we get the same game recycled over and over and over....

Kinda of like Counter-Strike - numerous multiplayer FPS games can try to copy its success through similarity but none of them will ever succeed because CS does it best.KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

This game will be incredible... even if its "just" wow + kotor

In fact, please, give me wow + kotor

-wildflower-

And this is why we get the same game recycled over and over and over....