swotor why in the world charge so much...

ok so i wanted to get swotor but im now not going to simply because of 2 things one the price is over the roof for that price id at least expect free online play and two well two because you have to buy game time to play on top of the cost of the game why in the world charge that much for a game if you cant play it without paying more i mean i wouldnt mind if they charged £20 or $20 for the game and then you had to pay for the online but i personally think its a bit steep to expect us to spend more than 40 or 60 pounds or dollers and then having to buy game time

They charge what the market will bear. There's no need for a price drop as long as the game keeps selling well and they retain subscribers.

....because it's a MMO?MonsieurX

^This

And the fact that Bioware spent a FORTUNE on the game so they need all the replenishing they could ask for.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]....because it's a MMO?Goyoshi12

^This

And the fact that Bioware spent a FORTUNE on the game so they need all the replenishing they could ask for.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]....because it's a MMO?destinyDemon

^This

And the fact that Bioware spent a FORTUNE on the game so they need all the replenishing they could ask for.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]....because it's a MMO?destinyDemon

^This

And the fact that Bioware spent a FORTUNE on the game so they need all the replenishing they could ask for.

No, most good MMO's are Pay to play.

Yeah it sucks but MMO's require massive support on their side. I was going to buy it but I really do not want to pay £40 to get a month of gametime and then have to pay more, at a £40 initial investment we should at least get 3 months of gametime.

I played the game for about a month and a half, i feel like I got my money's worth out of it...i may go back at a later time when they release new content and fix a lot of the stuff. If you buy it in store you'll get a month free.

Wasn't worth the small amount of time it held my interest.

Most mmos cost this much per month..

The free to play thing is a fad right now, and popular amongst indie-developed games. The industry standard for a big, retail release is $50 for the game and the first month, then $15 for every month after that. I thought that was common knowledge.

ok so i wanted to get swotor but im now not going to simply because of 2 things one the price is over the roof for that price id at least expect free online play and two well two because you have to buy game time to play on top of the cost of the game why in the world charge that much for a game if you cant play it without paying more i mean i wouldnt mind if they charged £20 or $20 for the game and then you had to pay for the online but i personally think its a bit steep to expect us to spend more than 40 or 60 pounds or dollers and then having to buy game time

destinyDemon

World of Warcraft has been charging this since launch (8 years ago).

Well, bioware and EA dumped an insane amount of money, hundreds of millions of dollars, into crap like voice acting instead of making a good or a good looking game. I don't know where they got the idea that people play MMOs for voice acting, but there you are. At first I was mad that they made it an MMO, because this is clearly a single player game. But then I remembered that this is Bioware and EA that we're talking about, so there would be hundreds of dollars worth of DLC by now anyways.

Just wait for the inevitable free trial which can then be transformed into a paying account. There's really no point to ever buy a box for an MMO.

ok so i wanted to get swotor but im now not going to simply because of 2 things one the price is over the roof for that price id at least expect free online play and two well two because you have to buy game time to play on top of the cost of the game why in the world charge that much for a game if you cant play it without paying more i mean i wouldnt mind if they charged £20 or $20 for the game and then you had to pay for the online but i personally think its a bit steep to expect us to spend more than 40 or 60 pounds or dollers and then having to buy game time

destinyDemon

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/11/25/wows-back-end-10-data-centers-75000-cores/

That's a good link that sort of gives you an idea of what it takes to run a massive MMO.

...Also, I quietly feel as though WoW has set a $15/month precedent for all MMOs to come after it for a while. That's what people are willing to pay for, that's what the companies will demand.CaptainAhab13

You may quietly feel that but you are incorrect. The $15 a month fee was established long before WoW existed.

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"] ...Also, I quietly feel as though WoW has set a $15/month precedent for all MMOs to come after it for a while. That's what people are willing to pay for, that's what the companies will demand.-wildflower-

You may quietly feel that but you are incorrect. The $15 a month fee was established long before WoW existed.

Agreed, Ultima Online says hi.

Only 9 GBP a month and I have been playing it in every bit of free time I have.

I actually think it's pretty cheap and definitely worth the money.

pretty cheap! are you mad the disk alone costs 40 gbp

pretty cheap! are you mad the disk alone costs 40 gbp

destinyDemon

Each class has a different story.

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pretty cheap! are you mad the disk alone costs 40 gbp

PcGamingRig

Each class has a different story.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"] ...Also, I quietly feel as though WoW has set a $15/month precedent for all MMOs to come after it for a while. That's what people are willing to pay for, that's what the companies will demand.kaealy

You may quietly feel that but you are incorrect. The $15 a month fee was established long before WoW existed.

Agreed, Ultima Online says hi.

david gayder needs that new boat

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

You may quietly feel that but you are incorrect. The $15 a month fee was established long before WoW existed.

MythPro1

Agreed, Ultima Online says hi.

yup, the dollar sure hasn't fallen in value since 1997 *rolls eyes*. You're paying the same price today as you did back then when taking exchange rates and inflation in consideration.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]....because it's a MMO?destinyDemon

^This

And the fact that Bioware spent a FORTUNE on the game so they need all the replenishing they could ask for.

Free MMO's suck. Most good MMO's are pay to play.

[QUOTE="MythPro1"]

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

Agreed, Ultima Online says hi.

kaealy

yup, the dollar sure hasn't fallen in value since 1997 *rolls eyes*. You're paying the same price today as you did back then when taking exchange rates and inflation in consideration.

Why do people keep making pointless threads about mmos having a monthly cost. Seriously stop it.

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[QUOTE="MythPro1"] Except Ultima Online's monthly fee isn't $15 a month. It started at $10 and has been $12.99 for years.

FelipeInside

yup, the dollar sure hasn't fallen in value since 1997 *rolls eyes*. You're paying the same price today as you did back then when taking exchange rates and inflation in consideration.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="kaealy"]

yup, the dollar sure hasn't fallen in value since 1997 *rolls eyes*. You're paying the same price today as you did back then when taking exchange rates and inflation in consideration.

SF_KiLLaMaN

It's not for you fine, but people need to understand already, a MMO isn't a product you own, it's a service, a service that can offer you insane amounts of content, enjoyment and value for it's fee compared to games that have a high, single price. Assuming we'd take the 240/180 as a possible example, you're saving at least 500$ per year if you'd be that much into such a MMO.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You have it all backwards. In any case MMOs might have gone UP in price due to inflation and the likes. EVERYTHING has gone up in the last 10 years. I used to go to the cinema for $5, now it's $15. Thankfully MMOs (and games in general) have maintained a stable price. Look at it this way. Compare the gametime/entertainment you get x hour against $15 a month and you will see the value.DanielDust

It's not for you fine, but people need to understand already, a MMO isn't a product you own, it's a service, a service that can offer you insane amounts of content, enjoyment and value for it's fee compared to games that have a high, single price. Assuming we'd take the 240/180 as a possible example, you're saving at least 500$ per year if you'd be that much into such a MMO.

The monthly fee is good for fans of the game, and power gamers who put in a lot of time. The same people would likely be spending more money on free to play games, because they would be making larger purchases in the item shop.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Along with the base price I would be paying $240 to play the game for the first year, where as I can play other games for years and years for a simple base price of $50-$60, sometimes even $40. It's not worth it to me. Cool, they update the game often, but that's not worth $240 for the first year and $180 per year after that. Not worth it. SF_KiLLaMaN

It's not for you fine, but people need to understand already, a MMO isn't a product you own, it's a service, a service that can offer you insane amounts of content, enjoyment and value for it's fee compared to games that have a high, single price. Assuming we'd take the 240/180 as a possible example, you're saving at least 500$ per year if you'd be that much into such a MMO.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] You aren't going to play a game for years and not replay it's 60 hours of content (there are only a few examples that get that high) realistically it'd be 30 hours at best, even if the game has replay value.

It's not for you fine, but people need to understand already, a MMO isn't a product you own, it's a service, a service that can offer you insane amounts of content, enjoyment and value for it's fee compared to games that have a high, single price. Assuming we'd take the 240/180 as a possible example, you're saving at least 500$ per year if you'd be that much into such a MMO.

FelipeInside

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Oh I easily understand why people do it, I just don't have the time to make it worth it. It's simply way too much money for a game for me. I know about the constant updates and what not, I'm just saying why I would never buy it. I am really interested in the game too, it's a shame. I'm not challenging why people buy it, just simply stating why I'm not.xLittlekillx

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's good that you understand how it works SF_KiLLaMaN, and that it's not for you, I totally respect that. You can't really compare a SP Game that costs $60 and say someone can play it for years and years against an MMO, for the simple fact that a SP game will ALWAYS be the same game/content, where an MMO is completely new content each year.FelipeInside

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.

I still disagree. WoW is always wow, no matter how many expansion packs come out for it. There are different skins and different invisible dice being rolled, but it's still the same game. Maybe a sandbox mmo can turn into totally different games, but so can sandbox single player games.

There are a few games and you just listed some of the few, games that have a huge modding community and that is mostly related to Bethesda games, GTA, Terraria, X games, ARMA and Minecraft, Paradox titles might be dynamic, but they're not big on mods and in the end you'll just run over the same content again and depending on the genre even the strongest person won't get more than 100 hours on something like Magcika with all its DLC and lots of PvP, Stalker is just one of the games people like to grind over and over again, because a graphics mod got released and maybe a few mods that add or alter something and that's about it. Multiplayer games aren't a valid example, just because somebody still enjoys X game on multiplayer after 1 thousand hours doesn't mean anything, it was still mindless repetition. For space games EVE offers more than anything out there (a lot more) and a clear example, WoW offers 1 thousand hours per game ( 4 thousand hours to complete, not just to do some random quests then grind till you go blind, but to actually play everything it has to offer and obtain all the expansion have to offer minus grinding for the best gear or grinding for top score in PvP), no game outside the MMO genre offers several thousands of hours of content, only games that are like that because they're slow and pretty empty, X games, TBSs because they're really slow and the "not doing something" time itself can become hundreds of hours if you're really into the genre, because of the modding community, Bethesda games and Trackmania, because they promote extreme repetition and give you the freedom to express yourself and because of the modding community (for one of them), Terraria and Minecraft, other than that there are no games that have considerable amounts of content, just pure repetition (that I personally can't stand, I'm the kind that gets 30 hours at most on great multiplayer games at most 120 hours for outstanding multiplayer games)DanielDust

Eve has everything except for good combat. But it's a good example of what an MMO should be like, with the player created economy and warring factions.

But for non dynamic MMOs like WoW and SWTOR, those games ARE repetitive. They're even more repetitive than a lot of single player games. But they keep you coming back for more because you get addicted to leveling and finding loot.

Nope, you have 7 thousand quests per faction (of course with some neutrals) do you really think somebody needs to do 7 thousand quests to get to lvl 85? and loot is what drives any RPG/space simulator/MMO, you always need better gear or better parts for your ship. MMO games aren't more repetitive than singleplayer games, they're just too big to hide their flaws, you'd really expect WoW to feel as fresh as a good part of the 32 hours Witcher 2 takes considering that WoW has 4K hours to offer minus mindless raiding, mindless dungeon runs and a lot of pvp.DanielDust

That's a bad comparison. The Witcher 2 is so much better than WoW.

I Don't know I bought SWTOR and it's feeling very.. singleplayery. Kind of like how Star Trek Online felt. I'm hoping that changes once i get into the mid tier levels. Shuma665

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Nope, you have 7 thousand quests per faction (of course with some neutrals) do you really think somebody needs to do 7 thousand quests to get to lvl 85? and loot is what drives any RPG/space simulator/MMO, you always need better gear or better parts for your ship. MMO games aren't more repetitive than singleplayer games, they're just too big to hide their flaws, you'd really expect WoW to feel as fresh as a good part of the 32 hours Witcher 2 takes considering that WoW has 4K hours to offer minus mindless raiding, mindless dungeon runs and a lot of pvp.xLittlekillx

That's a bad comparison. The Witcher 2 is so much better than WoW.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's good that you understand how it works SF_KiLLaMaN, and that it's not for you, I totally respect that. You can't really compare a SP Game that costs $60 and say someone can play it for years and years against an MMO, for the simple fact that a SP game will ALWAYS be the same game/content, where an MMO is completely new content each year.FelipeInside

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.