swotor why in the world charge so much...

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Nope, you have 7 thousand quests per faction (of course with some neutrals) do you really think somebody needs to do 7 thousand quests to get to lvl 85? and loot is what drives any RPG/space simulator/MMO, you always need better gear or better parts for your ship. MMO games aren't more repetitive than singleplayer games, they're just too big to hide their flaws, you'd really expect WoW to feel as fresh as a good part of the 32 hours Witcher 2 takes considering that WoW has 4K hours to offer minus mindless raiding, mindless dungeon runs and a lot of pvp.DanielDust

That's a bad comparison. The Witcher 2 is so much better than WoW.

Whoah settle down buddy. Instead of attacking me like a rabid beast, tell me why it's a great comparison.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.

dkilburn

I'm glad you brought this back up. I just noticed that this guys says that adding new characters, graphics, spells, items, sounds and gameplay to skyrim won't make it a different game, but MMOs are different because they'll have new graphics, items, sounds and gameplay added. That's a weird thing to say.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I can guarantee you that the skyrim I'll be playing next year won't be the same skyrim that I've been playing for the past 3 months. Same thing with STALKER, paradox games (just because they're dynamic, not because of mods, but mods too), terraria, evochron (I play the mp a lot, so I guess it's like an mmo), arma 2, I could keep going.

xLittlekillx

I still disagree. WoW is always wow, no matter how many expansion packs come out for it. There are different skins and different invisible dice being rolled, but it's still the same game. Maybe a sandbox mmo can turn into totally different games, but so can sandbox single player games.

[QUOTE="dkilburn"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Skyrim is going to be the same game, apart from DLCs and mods, you could play the game 3 years in a row and it's always going to be the same world with the same graphics. You might say it's cause it's dynamic, but it's still the same game. An MMO is different because they actually add complete new worlds, characters, sometimes graphics, items, sounds and gameplay with patches and expansions.xLittlekillx

I'm glad you brought this back up. I just noticed that this guys says that adding new characters, graphics, spells, items, sounds and gameplay to skyrim won't make it a different game, but MMOs are different because they'll have new graphics, items, sounds and gameplay added. That's a weird thing to say.

I guess you don't know how to read English properly.

I didn't say that, go back and read my posts again.

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="dkilburn"] this.FelipeInside

I'm glad you brought this back up. I just noticed that this guys says that adding new characters, graphics, spells, items, sounds and gameplay to skyrim won't make it a different game, but MMOs are different because they'll have new graphics, items, sounds and gameplay added. That's a weird thing to say.

I guess you don't know how to read English properly.

I didn't say that, go back and read my posts again.

Okay, stop with the personal attacks. I don't know what your problem is, but get a grip. You DID say that. You said skyrim will always be the same world with the same graphics, which isn't actually true because there will be mods that literally change every aspect of the game. Meaning there will be new graphics, new items, new monsters, new sounds, new spells. Blah blah blah. All of the things you claim make an MMO last longer than Skyrim. My assertation is that MMOs get so much replay value for totally different reasons, including grinding and the social aspects. It's weird to me that you're ignoring those things and going for a weird argument about replay value, especially when you're using a comparison to a game like Skyrim, which is one of the most replayable games in years.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

I'm glad you brought this back up. I just noticed that this guys says that adding new characters, graphics, spells, items, sounds and gameplay to skyrim won't make it a different game, but MMOs are different because they'll have new graphics, items, sounds and gameplay added. That's a weird thing to say.

xLittlekillx

I guess you don't know how to read English properly.

I didn't say that, go back and read my posts again.

Okay, stop with the personal attacks. I don't know what your problem is, but get a grip. You DID say that. You said skyrim will always be the same world with the same graphics, which isn't actually true because there will be mods that literally change every aspect of the game. Meaning there will be new graphics, new items, new monsters, new sounds, new spells. Blah blah blah. All of the things you claim make an MMO last longer than Skyrim. My assertation is that MMOs get so much replay value for totally different reasons, including grinding and the social aspects. It's weird to me that you're ignoring those things and going for a weird argument about replay value, especially when you're using a comparison to a game like Skyrim, which is one of the most replayable games in years.

What personal attack?

Cause you can't read my posts properly you say that I attack you?

Here, let me COPY and PASTE my post since you obviously didn't see it (it's a the TOP of this page).

I said "Skyrim is going to be the same game, apart from DLCs and mods, "

APART from DLCs and MODS.

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

I guess you don't know how to read English properly.

I didn't say that, go back and read my posts again.

FelipeInside

Okay, stop with the personal attacks. I don't know what your problem is, but get a grip. You DID say that. You said skyrim will always be the same world with the same graphics, which isn't actually true because there will be mods that literally change every aspect of the game. Meaning there will be new graphics, new items, new monsters, new sounds, new spells. Blah blah blah. All of the things you claim make an MMO last longer than Skyrim. My assertation is that MMOs get so much replay value for totally different reasons, including grinding and the social aspects. It's weird to me that you're ignoring those things and going for a weird argument about replay value, especially when you're using a comparison to a game like Skyrim, which is one of the most replayable games in years.

What personal attack?

Cause you can't read my posts properly you say that I attack you?

Here, let me COPY and PASTE my post since you obviously didn't see it (it's a the TOP of this page).

I said "Skyrim is going to be the same game, apart from DLCs and mods, "

APART from DLCs and MODS.

Haha, ohh kay. So, apart from expansions, wow and swtor are going to be the same games too.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Okay, stop with the personal attacks. I don't know what your problem is, but get a grip. You DID say that. You said skyrim will always be the same world with the same graphics, which isn't actually true because there will be mods that literally change every aspect of the game. Meaning there will be new graphics, new items, new monsters, new sounds, new spells. Blah blah blah. All of the things you claim make an MMO last longer than Skyrim. My assertation is that MMOs get so much replay value for totally different reasons, including grinding and the social aspects. It's weird to me that you're ignoring those things and going for a weird argument about replay value, especially when you're using a comparison to a game like Skyrim, which is one of the most replayable games in years.

xLittlekillx

What personal attack?

Cause you can't read my posts properly you say that I attack you?

Here, let me COPY and PASTE my post since you obviously didn't see it (it's a the TOP of this page).

I said "Skyrim is going to be the same game, apart from DLCs and mods, "

APART from DLCs and MODS.

Haha, ohh kay. So, apart from expansions, wow and swtor are going to be the same games too.

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

What personal attack?

Cause you can't read my posts properly you say that I attack you?

Here, let me COPY and PASTE my post since you obviously didn't see it (it's a the TOP of this page).

I said "Skyrim is going to be the same game, apart from DLCs and mods, "

APART from DLCs and MODS.

FelipeInside

Haha, ohh kay. So, apart from expansions, wow and swtor are going to be the same games too.

Skyrim has new mods added every single day.

And I'm not saying that MMOs are charging the fee for nothing. I'm just of the viewpoint that I'm not going to pay $15 a month to play a game when I can play games that I own without subscription fees and usually have more fun. That's all.

well personally i think ill stick the the knights of the old republic games for now their a piece of gaming gold that i cant let go

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Haha, ohh kay. So, apart from expansions, wow and swtor are going to be the same games too.

xLittlekillx

Skyrim has new mods added every single day.

And I'm not saying that MMOs are charging the fee for nothing. I'm just of the viewpoint that I'm not going to pay $15 a month to play a game when I can play games that I own without subscription fees and usually have more fun. That's all.