SWToR boring???

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] What's the insult? That I play solo or that the story is entertaining? Why can't an MMO have an entertaining story and also accessible to be played solo?QQabitmoar

Because the idea that they can revolve around PLAYER INTERACTION, guild based-warfare, community politics and metagame, and generally really trying to be MASSIVE multiplayer online games, with usual RPG stuff like stats etc., instead of a single player game with a dungeon finding mechanic (instanced of course...) and battlegrounds, never really crossed your mind, amirite?

Lemme guess, you've only ever played WoW and ToR as fas as MMORPGS go?

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] What's the insult? That I play solo or that the story is entertaining? Why can't an MMO have an entertaining story and also accessible to be played solo?QQabitmoar

Because the idea that they can revolve around PLAYER INTERACTION, guild based-warfare, community politics and metagame, and generally really trying to be MASSIVE multiplayer online games, with usual RPG stuff like stats etc., instead of a single player game with a dungeon finding mechanic (instanced of course...) and battlegrounds, never really crossed your mind, amirite?

Lemme guess, you've only ever played WoW and ToR as fas as MMORPGS go?

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[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Didn't ya hear? MMOs have to have text boxes and random useless grind quests like "collect 30 lizard scales because I said so" and they need to revolve around TEH STATZ :shock: We don't want character devlopment or story in our stinkin' rpgs, amiright?wis3boi

Because the idea that they can revolve around PLAYER INTERACTION, guild based-warfare, community politics and metagame, and generally really trying to be MASSIVE multiplayer online games, with usual RPG stuff like stats etc., instead of a single player game with a dungeon finding mechanic (instanced of course...) and battlegrounds, never really crossed your mind, amirite?

Lemme guess, you've only ever played WoW and ToR as fas as MMORPGS go?

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Why should I know something about a game I never had interest in playing anyway? Thought it was a standard in theme-park MMOs...guess not. Anyway, I was insulting ur little 'theory', that every MMO should be a guided experience. Also, did you just use the word freedom...when talking about a THEME-PARK MMORPG?

Anyway, if something is going to kill this game, that's Bioware's own attitude. I've seen screenshots of people being banned for...farming.

Yes. Farming. As in, trying to be good at the game.

END OF RINE.

Wis3boi, SWTOR is not open, it is extremely linear for mmo standards. Nor are there a lot of relevant stats for each character. I felt SWTOR was extremely streamlined, especially when it comes to character builds and stats.

Did anyone here see the comic using scenes from Star Wars Episode 3 to describe the situation with SWTOR? The one comparing Bioware to Anakin, Palpatine to EA, Padme to the TOR player base that are leaving in droves and Obi Wan to well... something that shall not be named.

It is funny because it is true. I would link it, but I dont feel I should.

Wis3boi, SWTOR is not open, it is extremely linear for mmo standards. Nor are there a lot of relevant stats for each character. I felt SWTOR was extremely streamlined, especially when it comes to character builds and stats.

Maroxad

did you get to any level past 24? Because that's where the open world planets are

[QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]I wished it had a demo. :(wis3boi

I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore. I like the game and it's fun for me, I understand it's not for everybody. Was I expecting something more.... YES, in some parts I was but in other parts I knew what was coming. Like I said numerous times before, TIME will tell how this MMO goes. Numbers going up and down in one month is stupid to analyze. Let's wait 6-12 months and see where it's at. I personally want it to succeed cause it's the only SciFi MMO worth playing, I don't want to go back to yet another fantasy game.FelipeInside

What about Eve online?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore. I like the game and it's fun for me, I understand it's not for everybody. Was I expecting something more.... YES, in some parts I was but in other parts I knew what was coming. Like I said numerous times before, TIME will tell how this MMO goes. Numbers going up and down in one month is stupid to analyze. Let's wait 6-12 months and see where it's at. I personally want it to succeed cause it's the only SciFi MMO worth playing, I don't want to go back to yet another fantasy game.lawlessx

What about Eve online?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore. I like the game and it's fun for me, I understand it's not for everybody. Was I expecting something more.... YES, in some parts I was but in other parts I knew what was coming. Like I said numerous times before, TIME will tell how this MMO goes. Numbers going up and down in one month is stupid to analyze. Let's wait 6-12 months and see where it's at. I personally want it to succeed cause it's the only SciFi MMO worth playing, I don't want to go back to yet another fantasy game.lawlessx

What about Eve online?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

if you arent playing with friends or going and makignf riends with guilds and groups, then i can understand why you'd be bored.

FelipeInside

i think the problem with that attitude is it runs out. its questionable how content rich the end game is, if it was all about the story then why pay montly for it :/

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

if you arent playing with friends or going and makignf riends with guilds and groups, then i can understand why you'd be bored.

Obiwan_1O

i think the problem with that attitude is it runs out. its questionable how content rich the end game is, if it was all about the story then why pay montly for it :/

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

if you arent playing with friends or going and makignf riends with guilds and groups, then i can understand why you'd be bored.

Obiwan_1O

i think the problem with that attitude is it runs out. its questionable how content rich the end game is, if it was all about the story then why pay montly for it :/

I have been having a great time in swtor. I have been waiting for an mmo game like this for quite sometime.

After playing WoW for 3years, I swore myself to never play an MMORPG again. Thankgod that was many years ago...

Every Genre>MMORPGs.

After playing WoW for 3years, I swore myself to never play an MMORPG again. Thankgod that was many years ago...

Every Genre>MMORPGs.

grafficsak

[QUOTE="grafficsak"]

After playing WoW for 3years, I swore myself to never play an MMORPG again. Thankgod that was many years ago...

Every Genre>MMORPGs.

FelipeInside

More like repetitiveness. "Oh, another 1hr long heroic for 2% progress on ____ rep"

or "Oh, another 5hrs of arena with such a gimped compisition"

There are far better games to spend time on.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="grafficsak"]

After playing WoW for 3years, I swore myself to never play an MMORPG again. Thankgod that was many years ago...

Every Genre>MMORPGs.

grafficsak

More like repetitiveness. "Oh, another 1hr long heroic for 2% progress on ____ rep"

or "Oh, another 5hrs of arena with such a gimped compisition"

There are far better games to spend time on.

The thing is that MMOs like WoW work because of addictive gameplay rather than fun gameplay. That's why you get that empty feeling after grinding out for years and realizing you didn't accomplish anything. I read an article somewhere, might have been Game Informer? I dunno. But there was this doctor talking about how WoW utilizes the same addictive personality hooks as casinos.

I went back to Rift.

I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore.FelipeInside

Oh, c'mon, don't do that!

As somebody who doesn't have any fat in the fire (I don't think the game is great or terrible - it's just sort of remarkably average) I am finding these ToR debates endlessly amusing. It's kind of like watching people argue over their favorite flavor of vanilla and, for whatever reason, I can't seem to look away.

[QUOTE="grafficsak"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] "Every Genre>MMORPGs."??? Really? I just think you had a control problem with WoW.xLittlekillx

More like repetitiveness. "Oh, another 1hr long heroic for 2% progress on ____ rep"

or "Oh, another 5hrs of arena with such a gimped compisition"

There are far better games to spend time on.

The thing is that MMOs like WoW work because of addictive gameplay rather than fun gameplay. That's why you get that empty feeling after grinding out for years and realizing you didn't accomplish anything. I read an article somewhere, might have been Game Informer? I dunno. But there was this doctor talking about how WoW utilizes the same addictive personality hooks as casinos.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore.-wildflower-

Oh, c'mon, don't do that!

As somebody who doesn't have any fat in the fire (I don't think the game is great or terrible - it's just sort of remarkably average) I am finding these ToR debates endlessly amusing. It's kind of like watching people argue over their favorite flavor of vanilla and, for whatever reason, I can't seem to look away.

That's the issue, they are endless, lol....

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Wis3boi, SWTOR is not open, it is extremely linear for mmo standards. Nor are there a lot of relevant stats for each character. I felt SWTOR was extremely streamlined, especially when it comes to character builds and stats.

wis3boi

did you get to any level past 24? Because that's where the open world planets are

Got up to 33. After that, I couldnt even force myself to continue. The planets got more open, but it mattered little, because the gameplay was experience was equally linear.

You know how in WoW you can choose between questing in 2-3 zones based on your level? In SWTOR you only have one choice.

Oh and it also feels like a single player game when your playing, they lead you on a very tight path to level 50, its not like in WoW where you are sorta open to move around zones, its either quest here or your screwed, plus I saw literally a hand full of the opposing faction levelling to 50 and that is on a high level PVP server :SV4LENT1NE

This is why I always for MMOs to be polished up. I greatly appreciate the people that get it at launch and play in the early years so that I can come later and enjoy a solid game. I didn't buy WoW until the box price was $20 and the major bugs were fixed. I will most likely to do same thing for SWTOR as long as it exists that long. I don't see it dying anytime soon. They should be able to maintain 1 million subscribers for a while.

[QUOTE="kyle_360"]

the games fun, and it might be similair but name anouther mmo that offers this much, not a single one, and i enjoy it alot

Johnny_Rock

What does SWTOR offer that WoW does not?

bad customer service and more greedy corporate scheeming?

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] Mindblowing @_@ to even consider for a moment the possibility of raiding "solo" in a MMO, I would expect nothing less from a raid, to force you to play with a group of human players.

Why would anyone ever bring raids into such a discussion...something's definitely not right with the "solo" aspect of it.

DanielDust

I'm interested in getting the game, but I'm extremely cautious since it bombed hard and the first month barely passed and don't try to deny that pure and simple fact.

I find all static hotkey combat MMO's boring...Jebus213

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I'm not gonna go into SWTOR debate anymore. I like the game and it's fun for me, I understand it's not for everybody. Was I expecting something more.... YES, in some parts I was but in other parts I knew what was coming. Like I said numerous times before, TIME will tell how this MMO goes. Numbers going up and down in one month is stupid to analyze. Let's wait 6-12 months and see where it's at. I personally want it to succeed cause it's the only SciFi MMO worth playing, I don't want to go back to yet another fantasy game.wis3boi

What about Eve online?

In a word YES, the voice acting gets old quick then it is space bar tru the acting and to the reg grind, has less quest variaty then wow or dcuo only mmos I have played. Shame game starts out great till you see it for what it is a unfinished, rushed, wow clone. Cant wait for a decent mmo, maybe the genre needs to die

In a word YES, the voice acting gets old quick then it is space bar tru the acting and to the reg grind, has less quest variaty then wow or dcuo only mmos I have played. Shame game starts out great till you see it for what it is a unfinished, rushed, wow clone. Cant wait for a decent mmo, maybe the genre needs to die

Advid-Gamer

In a word YES, the voice acting gets old quick then it is space bar tru the acting and to the reg grind, has less quest variaty then wow or dcuo only mmos I have played. Shame game starts out great till you see it for what it is a unfinished, rushed, wow clone. Cant wait for a decent mmo, maybe the genre needs to die

Advid-Gamer

MMO's. Time consuming? Oh, the irony, man. :PElann2008

SWTOR: Sit down, immediately recognize the hotkeys and shortcuts and controls, what to do.

EVE: Spend a month learning to take a left turn :P

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

MMO's. Time consuming? Oh, the irony, man. :Pwis3boi

SWTOR: Sit down, immediately recognize the hotkeys and shortcuts and controls, what to do.

EVE: Spend a month learning to take a left turn :P

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

MMO's. Time consuming? Oh, the irony, man. :Plawlessx

SWTOR: Sit down, immediately recognize the hotkeys and shortcuts and controls, what to do.

EVE: Spend a month learning to take a left turn :P

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

SWTOR: Sit down, immediately recognize the hotkeys and shortcuts and controls, what to do.

EVE: Spend a month learning to take a left turn :P

wis3boi

MMOs will never be perfect. Human nature prevents that. You will get bored eventually.

MMOs will never be perfect. Human nature prevents that. You will get bored eventually.

tanerb

[QUOTE="tanerb"]

MMOs will never be perfect. Human nature prevents that. You will get bored eventually.

FelipeInside

Also another bonus to SWTOR: you arent stuck fighting one or two enemies. I just did a class quest to hold a frontline against an assault and was attacked by about 15 enemies at once. Good luck with that in most other MMOs. Not to mention instance mobs arent all basically minibosses, you can solo the "trash mobs", it's the bosses that are the real challenge

wis3boi

Wow Midnight, why did you even try out ToR? It was made crystal clear from the last few months pre-release that the game will be very similar to WoW and won't appeal to people who don't like WoW. It's like me trying out a game I hate like Street Fighter (I don't hate it) and then proceeding to try a similar game such as Guilty Gear. Or hating MW then trying out Homefront.

Why don't you stick to less traditional MMO's instead of trying formulas you know you're not going to like?

oh and if you plan on playing SWTOR.. dont bother. Rift is 10x better a MMO then this Single player rpg (SWTOR)midnight_trashh

oh and if you plan on playing SWTOR.. dont bother. Rift is 10x better a MMO then this Single player rpg (SWTOR)midnight_trashh

uhh.....no.

I have a level 33 Commando and a 36 Gunslinger. Its still interesting..

I'm leveling the Commando solo and my Gunslinger with friends. I do suspect I'll hit level 50 and get bored for a bit but I'm still really content leveling alts for now. Chapter 1 ended nicely for both of the classes I'm playing now and I'm content with the story so far. No point in rushing to end game while most of the game is still leveling.