SWTOR, is it still a WoW challenger?

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"] Yes, but take into consideration what number that peak was. Even half of that peak is much much greater than pretty much anything that's come before or after it.TerrorRizzing

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"] Yes, but take into consideration what number that peak was. Even half of that peak is much much greater than pretty much anything that's come before or after it.TerrorRizzing

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.

Agreed, WoW will sink without Asian gamers, especially Chinese people.:cool:

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.

CoS_Ethan

Agreed, WoW will sink without Asian gamers, especially Chinese people.:cool:

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"] star wars is off to a great start, amular sucks but it happens. Nearly 2 million still subscribed is no joke, what does wow have without asia?

mirgamer

Agreed, WoW will sink without Asian gamers, especially Chinese people.:cool:

The reason is Blizzard change their partner in China, and the new expansion must get approval form Cinese government.

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.

CoS_Ethan

Agreed, WoW will sink without Asian gamers, especially Chinese people.:cool:

*Ahem*

I haven't encountered any serious problem with my SWTOR experience yet. Be it warzones, or whatever. It's been a lovely little ride so far.

*Runs away and hides*

WoW has had too much of a head start for any MMORPG to challenge it.

It would take millions upon millions of dollars to catch up and WoW is still being updated, so it would still fall behind.

All SWTOR can be is a great MMORPG in it's own right.

Well SWTOR has 1.7 million right now so I think its doing ok. Over 2 million sold.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1217723p1.html

Pretty promising numbers, considering they are past the first month. Its still not officially launched in quite a number of regions so there are still space and potential to grow further.

edit : also like to add, the biggest hurdle for SWTOR in legitimately challenging WoW is that...its based on sci-fi. This is just my personal observation but I believe most people, for some reason, enjoy fantasy-based setting rather than science fiction. Its strange but I do know quite a number of MMO folks who wouldn't play a MMO...because its not fantasy-based.

Of course, there are those who prefer sci-fi over fantasy but imho they seem to be much fewer in number and generally more acceptable to both settings.

WoW has had too much of a head start for any MMORPG to challenge it.

It would take millions upon millions of dollars to catch up and WoW is still being updated, so it would still fall behind.

All SWTOR can be is a great MMORPG in it's own right.

PcGamingRig

WoW a head start? Why?

If anything WoW had the roughest competition out of every other MMORPG released after it.

I'm getting really bored with SWTOR myself and i'm not even at level cap. They did an amazin job with the stories and the voice acting/cutscenes but the actual combat is pretty boring and tedious. Bugs are also really prevalant. Just last night I saw my sniper hold out his rifle (but with no gun in his hand) probably 3-4 times. Travel times are long....on my last class quest to get to my next planet, it honestly made me run to locations between about 6 planets and usually just have one conversation with someone before the long trek back to my ship and the same run to the next guy to talk to.

I can't comment much on the flashpoints or end game because I haven't done many of them. I'm looking forward to doing more though. What I saw I liked. However, without any sort of dungeon finder or global LFG channels, good luck finding a group unless you have a really good guild with tons of members.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

-wildflower-

My whole point was, if something is mediocre and sells poorly (again, lest I ruffle more of those oh so delicate feathers, I am not talking specifically about any game) why should I care if those people lose their jobs? They obviously weren't very good at their job to begin with or they would have been more successful and most likely wouldn't be in the position of losing their job.

You're implying that anyone who isn't successful at his job is doing mediocre work? Psychonauts sold poorly, while Dragon Age 2 is regarded as commercially successful. Companies like Zynga who borderline admit to ripping off other people's work were extremely successful too.

You're implying that anyone who isn't successful at his job is doing mediocre work? Psychonauts sold poorly, while Dragon Age 2 is regarded as commercially successful. Companies like Zynga who borderline admit to ripping off other people's work were extremely successful too.

Jabby250

He said mediocre AND sells poorly.

My friends played nothing but SWTOR until recently. One completely stopped playing and is back to his LoL binge again and the other only logs in for raids. Not sure if they burnt themselves out or if they have been "content capped."

[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

You're implying that anyone who isn't successful at his job is doing mediocre work? Psychonauts sold poorly, while Dragon Age 2 is regarded as commercially successful. Companies like Zynga who borderline admit to ripping off other people's work were extremely successful too.

N30F3N1X

He said mediocre AND sells poorly.

[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

You're implying that anyone who isn't successful at his job is doing mediocre work? Psychonauts sold poorly, while Dragon Age 2 is regarded as commercially successful. Companies like Zynga who borderline admit to ripping off other people's work were extremely successful too.

N30F3N1X

He said mediocre AND sells poorly.

This threw me off-guard: They obviously weren't very good at their job to begin with or they would have been more successful and most likely wouldn't be in the position of losing their job.

And yeah, 2 million sales, 1.7 million active subscribers... baseless thread, probably a Maroxad alt.

Is SWTOR the 2nd largest subscription-based MMO yet?

And yeah, 2 million sales, 1.7 million active subscribers... baseless thread, probably a Maroxad alt.

Is SWTOR the 2nd largest subscription-based MMO yet?

Jabby250

[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

And yeah, 2 million sales, 1.7 million active subscribers... baseless thread, probably a Maroxad alt.

Is SWTOR the 2nd largest subscription-based MMO yet?

wis3boi

Then maybe the 2nd largest Western MMO! Gotta have some hairs split, y'know.

Sadly I don't think it is, no.

SWTOR is probably the most polished MMO I've played since WoW and I really enjoyed having a story to play through as I was leveling my character.

Ultimately I think SWTOR will fail to be "the next big thing" because of a two factors:

1) The endgame content is pretty much the same as any other modern theme park MMO out there (Raid/Dungeons/Daily Quests/PvP Battlegrounds ad nauseum)

2) While the story content is fairly engaging, the story is spread so thin that if you want to level up alts you'll be spending a crap ton of time doing the same quests you've already seen before. This has pretty much killed off my motivation to level my alt Sith Warrior that is now sitting at level 16.

On my blog I've made a longer post about my problems with SWTOR:

Why SWTOR is ultimately a disappointment

If you can't hold the attention of people with your endgame and you're not making it enjoyable enough to make alts then how will you keep people playing and paying?

I think WoW is doomed to experience a long and slow decline as well, but there are people with so much invested in that game that I think it will still be a successful and profitable game long after EA has pulled the plug on SWTOR.

No it's a crappy game

Sadly I don't think it is, no.

SWTOR is probably the most polished MMO I've played since WoW and I really enjoyed having a story to play through as I was leveling my character.

Ultimately I think SWTOR will fail to be "the next big thing" because of a two factors:

1) The endgame content is pretty much the same as any other modern theme park MMO out there (Raid/Dungeons/Daily Quests/PvP Battlegrounds ad nauseum)

2) While the story content is fairly engaging, the story is spread so thin that if you want to level up alts you'll be spending a crap ton of time doing the same quests you've already seen before. This has pretty much killed off my motivation to level my alt Sith Warrior that is now sitting at level 16.

On my blog I've made a longer post about my problems with SWTOR:

Why SWTOR is ultimately a disappointment

If you can't hold the attention of people with your endgame and you're not making it enjoyable enough to make alts then how will you keep people playing and paying?

I think WoW is doomed to experience a long and slow decline as well, but there are people with so much invested in that game that I think it will still be a successful and profitable game long after EA has pulled the plug on SWTOR.

Technomancer82

It really has these disappointments? I think it is one of the most anticipated MMO in China this year too although the release date is still hidden. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars the movie, just want to take a look at the adoption of BioWare (they created many fascinating games indeed).

[QUOTE="Technomancer82"]

Sadly I don't think it is, no.

SWTOR is probably the most polished MMO I've played since WoW and I really enjoyed having a story to play through as I was leveling my character.

Ultimately I think SWTOR will fail to be "the next big thing" because of a two factors:

1) The endgame content is pretty much the same as any other modern theme park MMO out there (Raid/Dungeons/Daily Quests/PvP Battlegrounds ad nauseum)

2) While the story content is fairly engaging, the story is spread so thin that if you want to level up alts you'll be spending a crap ton of time doing the same quests you've already seen before. This has pretty much killed off my motivation to level my alt Sith Warrior that is now sitting at level 16.

On my blog I've made a longer post about my problems with SWTOR:

If you can't hold the attention of people with your endgame and you're not making it enjoyable enough to make alts then how will you keep people playing and paying?

I think WoW is doomed to experience a long and slow decline as well, but there are people with so much invested in that game that I think it will still be a successful and profitable game long after EA has pulled the plug on SWTOR.

CoS_Ethan

It really has these disappointments? I think it is one of the most anticipated MMO in China this year too although the release date is still hidden. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars the movie, just want to take a look at the adoption of BioWare (they created many fascinating games indeed).

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="Technomancer82"]

Sadly I don't think it is, no.

SWTOR is probably the most polished MMO I've played since WoW and I really enjoyed having a story to play through as I was leveling my character.

Ultimately I think SWTOR will fail to be "the next big thing" because of a two factors:

1) The endgame content is pretty much the same as any other modern theme park MMO out there (Raid/Dungeons/Daily Quests/PvP Battlegrounds ad nauseum)

2) While the story content is fairly engaging, the story is spread so thin that if you want to level up alts you'll be spending a crap ton of time doing the same quests you've already seen before. This has pretty much killed off my motivation to level my alt Sith Warrior that is now sitting at level 16.

On my blog I've made a longer post about my problems with SWTOR:

If you can't hold the attention of people with your endgame and you're not making it enjoyable enough to make alts then how will you keep people playing and paying?

I think WoW is doomed to experience a long and slow decline as well, but there are people with so much invested in that game that I think it will still be a successful and profitable game long after EA has pulled the plug on SWTOR.

Ravenshout

It really has these disappointments? I think it is one of the most anticipated MMO in China this year too although the release date is still hidden. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars the movie, just want to take a look at the adoption of BioWare (they created many fascinating games indeed).

EA really sucks.

SWTOR, is it still a WoW challenger?

CoS_Ethan

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

SWTOR, is it still a WoW challenger?

Kane04

I prefer Bioware because I like single player more; SWTOR's single player story-telling may be a good thing for an MMO, but I would rather play Skyrim, Kingdoms of Amalur, and even Mass Effect 3 itself if I really want a sublime personal experience.

Thus far, SWTOR lacks what WoW has. It is designed to beat the 2004's WoW, not the current WoW.

don't know if it will be a WoW contender simply because Wow has been going so long but I am loveing every second of it so far.

don't know if it will be a WoW contender simply because Wow has been going so long but I am loveing every second of it so far.

PcGamingRig

Seems that SWTOR is growing fast recently.

If the analyst is right, EA have to be responsible for all this.

To the OP - Never was - Never will be.

EA is to blame not Bioware (other then to allow EA to do it) - EA does not care about its player base just its bottom line and how to sell more of it without actually doing it right for the consumer.

EA spins it to sell and don't care if it delivers or not and if you flame them on their forums they will ban you and your account to play.

Forum ban = game(s) ban on any EA/Origin account (from personal experience with them on another game).

They will delete/lock negative posts and will spam EA spin crap to cover it up. The devs can try to save their job/product but the marketing machine will prevail.

I wish this wasn't true cause I want a good MMO to compete with WOW - this will actually make both of them strive for quality. Blizzard does have a great lead but will try to compensate for competition where one truly exists. I think at first there was a worry over losing subs by Blizzard but EA dropped the ball. It's like EA shot their leg off trying to hit the foot.

I really don't want to be negative but lets be real look at all the ones that came before and how they handle the same response to poor sub numbers.

I would really have liked to play a good SW MMO but I don't think there is one.