SWTOR needs AT LEAST 1 Million Subscribers...

... to not run at a loss...

http://games.on.net/article/14722/The_Old_Republic_Development_Cost_200_Million_and_Rising...

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

Gladestone1

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

wis3boi

Let's help bioware by subscribing... meh 2 expensive..

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

wis3boi

Let's help bioware by subscribing... meh 2 expensive..

alan_carter

[QUOTE="alan_carter"]

Let's help bioware by subscribing... meh 2 expensive..

FelipeInside

I just think paying for a game once and then paying $15 a month after that is ludacris. I mean, the content updates aren't worth that at all.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="alan_carter"]

Let's help bioware by subscribing... meh 2 expensive..

HyperWarlock

I just think paying for a game once and then paying $15 a month after that is ludacris. I mean, the content updates aren't worth that at all.

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I still don't believe an MMO is too expensive compared to a full priced SP Game. Content/Gameplay Hours wise.wis3boi

I just think paying for a game once and then paying $15 a month after that is ludacris. I mean, the content updates aren't worth that at all.

That is what analysts are predicting. Not necessarily a fact. Analysts can be wrong as well, especially if their name is Michael Pachter. Take this with a grain of salt. I heard from another source they need at least 500k.

Bioware seem to be fixing my issues with the game, and from what I heard nearly everyone say on the forums, Taris is by far the weakest planet in the game. I might resub once the next patch comes out, where they stated that they might just remove the ability delay.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

I just think paying for a game once and then paying $15 a month after that is ludacris. I mean, the content updates aren't worth that at all.

FelipeInside

Monthly content and patching is all your getting though, the monthly content is like what, a flashpoint and some new quests? Secondly your comparing a gym membership to an MMO?! dude... also SP games get patched too! (BF3, Skyrim etc..) I just think for what the consumer is getting it's a total waste of money. I'm not buying GW2 but they aren't charging a subscription and are giving monthly content patches the same as WoW, SWTOR.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] monthly content and patching, server farms, electric bills, equipment, designers, employees on hand at all hours, etc aren't free for the companyHyperWarlock

Monthly content and patching is all your getting though, the monthly content is like what, a flashpoint and some new quests? Secondly your comparing a gym membership to an MMO?! dude... also SP games get patched too! (BF3, Skyrim etc..) I just think for what the consumer is getting it's a total waste of money. I'm not buying GW2 but they aren't charging a subscription and are giving monthly content patches the same as WoW, SWTOR.

Yes, you get new quests, items, flashpoints, missions etc....even new areas in some cases. It's mostly to do with gameplay hours.

The way an MMO is structured means that "generally" you will spend more time playing it monthly than what you get out of a SP game. Yes, SP game get patched too....but only to fix bugs. Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGED.

The $15 x month model is slowly declining though as I have noticed on lots of MMOs.

PS: why not compare it to a gym membership? I'll give you another example. Zune and it's monthly subscription. You pay monthly and get access to millions of songs which are updated weekly. It's cheaper than going out and buying each song/CD separately.

That is what analysts are predicting. Not necessarily a fact. Analysts can be wrong as well, especially if their name is Michael Pachter. Take this with a grain of salt. I heard from another source they need at least 500k.

Bioware seem to be fixing my issues with the game, and from what I heard nearly everyone say on the forums, Taris is by far the weakest planet in the game. I might resub once the next patch comes out, where they stated that they might just remove the ability delay.

Maroxad

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

That is what analysts are predicting. Not necessarily a fact. Analysts can be wrong as well, especially if their name is Michael Pachter. Take this with a grain of salt. I heard from another source they need at least 500k.

Bioware seem to be fixing my issues with the game, and from what I heard nearly everyone say on the forums, Taris is by far the weakest planet in the game. I might resub once the next patch comes out, where they stated that they might just remove the ability delay.

FelipeInside

Just cause a game is bad initially it doesnt mean it wont it is always bad (see EverQuest 2 for this). SWTOR looks to be improving in quality quite fast. 1.1 may have done a lot of damage, but by the looks of things, Bioware seems to be fixing the damage caused.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

That is what analysts are predicting. Not necessarily a fact. Analysts can be wrong as well, especially if their name is Michael Pachter. Take this with a grain of salt. I heard from another source they need at least 500k.

Bioware seem to be fixing my issues with the game, and from what I heard nearly everyone say on the forums, Taris is by far the weakest planet in the game. I might resub once the next patch comes out, where they stated that they might just remove the ability delay.

Maroxad

Just cause a game is bad initially it doesnt mean it wont it is always bad (see EverQuest 2 for this). SWTOR looks to be improving in quality quite fast. 1.1 may have done a lot of damage, but by the looks of things, Bioware seems to be fixing the damage caused.

My buddies have still been playing nothing but SWTOR since it's release - makes me go to my SP only games :( - Man, but they ***** and moan the entire time, so there must be something there that keeps them coming back for more, but to me it sounds like they get more frustration from playing than fun IMO.

So is it currently at 2 million sales or 2 million subscriptions? It comes with a month free so at the end of that free month (right around now for launch players) there could be a steep drop in players.

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

Gladestone1

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

The_Last_Ride

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Doesnt it have it at this stage any how?

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I don't get you. I've seen you say it's a complete fail on some forums and now you are saying they are fixing the game and you might resub?FelipeInside

Just cause a game is bad initially it doesnt mean it wont it is always bad (see EverQuest 2 for this). SWTOR looks to be improving in quality quite fast. 1.1 may have done a lot of damage, but by the looks of things, Bioware seems to be fixing the damage caused.

Well,

Good things about SWTOR

• Planets are varied, heck, there is a planet with a city setting.
• Science fantasy setting (I may not like Star Wars EU, but it certainly beats elves)
• Plenty of content

So yes, it does some things right.

I am sure you already know what I dont like about it so no need mentioning it. But of all the things I didnt like about SWTOR, the biggest issue by far is appearantly getting fixed next patch.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Just cause a game is bad initially it doesnt mean it wont it is always bad (see EverQuest 2 for this). SWTOR looks to be improving in quality quite fast. 1.1 may have done a lot of damage, but by the looks of things, Bioware seems to be fixing the damage caused.

Maroxad

Well,

Good things about SWTOR

• Planets are varied, heck, there is a planet with a city setting.
• Science fantasy setting (I may not like Star Wars EU, but it certainly beats elves)
• Plenty of content

So yes, it does some things right.

I am sure you already know what I dont like about it so no need mentioning it. But of all the things I didnt like about SWTOR, the biggest issue by far is appearantly getting fixed next patch.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] So it's not really a complete fail now is it? ;)FelipeInside

Well,

Good things about SWTOR

• Planets are varied, heck, there is a planet with a city setting.
• Science fantasy setting (I may not like Star Wars EU, but it certainly beats elves)
• Plenty of content

So yes, it does some things right.

I am sure you already know what I dont like about it so no need mentioning it. But of all the things I didnt like about SWTOR, the biggest issue by far is appearantly getting fixed next patch.

So I have noticed, if they werent fixing the issues as fast as they could I would not have considered resubbing sometime after the next patch after all ;)

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Not only that, it's called a subscription cause you get CONTINUOUS content/patching. I always use the gym analogy to sort of ilustrate my point: - You buy a gym equipment for your house (like buying a SP Game). U pay full price and use the equipment as much as you want, but it's still the same equipment with the same exercises. (like the SP Campaign). - You join a gym, they charge u a joining fee and then monthly subscription (like an MMO). You get lots of equipment with continuous maintenance and upgrades and also constant advice from trainers. Whether an MMO or not is worth it depends on the person playing and if they like it, but the content/fixes/upgrades etc. you get for $15 a month on an MMO is more than u get for a SP Campaign at full price in a month.FelipeInside

Monthly content and patching is all your getting though, the monthly content is like what, a flashpoint and some new quests? Secondly your comparing a gym membership to an MMO?! dude... also SP games get patched too! (BF3, Skyrim etc..) I just think for what the consumer is getting it's a total waste of money. I'm not buying GW2 but they aren't charging a subscription and are giving monthly content patches the same as WoW, SWTOR.

Yes, you get new quests, items, flashpoints, missions etc....even new areas in some cases. It's mostly to do with gameplay hours.

The way an MMO is structured means that "generally" you will spend more time playing it monthly than what you get out of a SP game. Yes, SP game get patched too....but only to fix bugs. Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGED.

The $15 x month model is slowly declining though as I have noticed on lots of MMOs.

PS: why not compare it to a gym membership? I'll give you another example. Zune and it's monthly subscription. You pay monthly and get access to millions of songs which are updated weekly. It's cheaper than going out and buying each song/CD separately.

MMO's have expansions too, WoW has got 3 and one on the way and no doubt SWTOR is working on one as we speak,

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Well,

Good things about SWTOR

• Planets are varied, heck, there is a planet with a city setting.
• Science fantasy setting (I may not like Star Wars EU, but it certainly beats elves)
• Plenty of content

So yes, it does some things right.

I am sure you already know what I dont like about it so no need mentioning it. But of all the things I didnt like about SWTOR, the biggest issue by far is appearantly getting fixed next patch.

Maroxad

So I have noticed, if they werent fixing the issues as fast as they could I would not have considered resubbing sometime after the next patch after all ;)

Look they already came out with a large patch called 1.1..Added another raid and another planet..There doing a great job in my eyes..The que lines are no longer around you can pop in at any given time with no wait..Its awesome in my eyes..

Im already playing my second char in my commando got him up to lvl 18 and ive got a lvl 32 sage..

Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGEDFelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGEDtopsemag55

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGEDtopsemag55

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGEDtopsemag55

If this game didn't have "Star Wars" in the title or Bioware as the developer, this game would be getting panned/ignored so much more. It's a bad game with horrible graphics. I understand that if you spent 60 bucks of your money you want to justify your purchase, but seriously, try looking at the game objectively and don't give them any more of your money. They don't deserve it. It's a STAR WARS cash grab with voiceovers, hideous armor and color palette. Characters are plastic-looking Ken dolls. The gameplay brings NOTHING new. With all the money and time a company like Bioware through at this project, they should have something much better to show than what's currently on display. Ugh.

I know many people are critical of this game but I am really enjoying it and have been since the early access.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGED-Unreal-

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Rarely do they offer a new area or quests. This is mostly done with DLCs or Expansions, WHICH ARE CHARGED-Unreal-

How many people does it have now? I saw some sales chart with very declining sales numers, and there are also tons of people saying they would unsubscribe, etc etc. Also, all the negativity it was getting, overexaggerated or not, hillarious or not, it did it's part.

Anyway, do we have any numbers on the active subs now?

If this game didn't have "Star Wars" in the title or Bioware as the developer, this game would be getting panned/ignored so much more. It's a bad game with horrible graphics. I understand that if you spent 60 bucks of your money you want to justify your purchase, but seriously, try looking at the game objectively and don't give them any more of your money. They don't deserve it. It's a STAR WARS cash grab with voiceovers, hideous armor and color palette. Characters are plastic-looking Ken dolls. The gameplay brings NOTHING new. With all the money and time a company like Bioware through at this project, they should have something much better to show than what's currently on display. Ugh.

Esoteric

How many people does it have now? I saw some sales chart with very declining sales numers, and there are also tons of people saying they would unsubscribe, etc etc. Also, all the negativity it was getting, overexaggerated or not, hillarious or not, it did it's part.

Anyway, do we have any numbers on the active subs now?

QQabitmoar

A month or 2 after release before everyone's free month is up and they're only at 2 million subs this game is in trouble already. Glad to stay away from the hype.captalchol

[QUOTE="captalchol"]A month or 2 after release before everyone's free month is up and they're only at 2 million subs this game is in trouble already. Glad to stay away from the hype.wis3boi

lmao.

I blame Mike Hacklaw.

Another WoW killer bites the dust.

Some interesting notes on the article it self

Art has been outsourced to Russia, Estonia and China. Motion capture filming is done in L.A. and Vancouver, Canada, with voices recorded in New York, London and Paris in English, French and German. Quality assurance testing takes place in Romania, Argentina and India, while technical operations are run out of Virginia and the customer service center operates in Ireland.

LA Times

Still baffled by the $200 million dollar cost and yet they still cut corners on the engine. As evidenced by the http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=233714

Another WoW killer bites the dust.

tjricardo089

Haha, no. WoW is though, if anything.

Whatever makes you feel better though. :)