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#51 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Another WoW killer bites the dust.

Jabby250

Haha, no. WoW is though, if anything.

Whatever makes you feel better though. :)

Yep, WoW has more subscribers than ever, but whatever makes you feel better. Sensationalism pft...
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#52 Steameffekt
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There was a Gamespot article that stated Bioware needing 500,000 minimum to be profitable. Unless this is something else?

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#53 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Another WoW killer bites the dust.

Jabby250

Haha, no. WoW is though, if anything.

Whatever makes you feel better though. :)

Taking a stab at WoW, using WoW? Stop trolling.
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#54 V4LENT1NE
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How many people does it have now? I saw some sales chart with very declining sales numers, and there are also tons of people saying they would unsubscribe, etc etc. Also, all the negativity it was getting, overexaggerated or not, hillarious or not, it did it's part.

Anyway, do we have any numbers on the active subs now?

QQabitmoar
I unsubbed, and the servers are dropping quite heavily in numbers, I am seeing less people on my server. End game is just far to grindy.
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#55 mirgamer
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I kinda remember EA or was it Bioware saying that need only about 500k subs to be making decent profits off of SWTOR. This was quite a while back, about a year before release. I'm a little skeptical of TOR or any other MMO retaining a million sub if they are using the standard sub model. WoW is a fluke and most other MMOs really should hope to have about 150k-500k consistent subs to be considered healthy.
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#56 Jd1680a
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what if EA shuts Old Republic down in less then a year? What kind of message would that send to everyone else in trying to get into MMO games?
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#57 Maroxad
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what if EA shuts Old Republic down in less then a year? What kind of message would that send to everyone else in trying to get into MMO games?Jd1680a

That dephends on the dev

Some might be discouraged from making mmos.
Others, will be discouraged from making WoW clones and will instead focus on making innovative mmos. And bring a fresh breath to the themepark mmo genre.

In any case, I hope SWTOR does not close down, would be sad that so many people lost their jobs.

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#58 captalchol
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[QUOTE="captalchol"]A month or 2 after release before everyone's free month is up and they're only at 2 million subs this game is in trouble already. Glad to stay away from the hype.wis3boi
"only at" 2 million :lol:

If they need 800k to stay in the black and its one month after release I think they are in a bit of trouble...
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#59 Nikalai_88
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And keep in mind they still have to make up losses for the huge amount of money EA hurled at its development, license and marketing.skrat_01

Yeah, its one million to keep the game running, its going to take a lot more tomake up fortheir sunk costs.

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#60 Mazoch
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I believe that the actual situation is that: - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many copies have been sold. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many people converted to subscribers after the first month. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers they need to break even. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers for how long, to break even with the development costs.
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#61 CaptainAhab13
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Still laughing at everyone who said that it would be the actual WoW killer, "once and for all!" :lol:
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#62 wis3boi
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Still laughing at everyone who said that it would be the actual WoW killer, "once and for all!" :lol:CaptainAhab13
Anyone who thought that was delusional. Anything Blizzard makes sells like hotcakes, regardless of what it is, especially in the Asian market
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#63 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]I believe that the actual situation is that: - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many copies have been sold. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many people converted to subscribers after the first month. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers they need to break even. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers for how long, to break even with the development costs.

Really? Do you think their servers don't show active subscribers? Do you think they don't do market studies before and after?
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#64 ferrari2001
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Well considering the game has made over $120,000,000 on the original game purchase alone (if no one bought the special edition) it should have no trouble exceeding the cost of the production. (heck it might have done so already). Once the original investment is paid off then it won't take as many players to keep it going.
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#65 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]I believe that the actual situation is that: - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many copies have been sold. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many people converted to subscribers after the first month. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers they need to break even. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers for how long, to break even with the development costs. FelipeInside
Really? Do you think their servers don't show active subscribers? Do you think they don't do market studies before and after?

Even then, EA/BioWare wouldn't be so quick to denounce true subscriber numbers. If it ever so bit declined in subs, EA would be dumb to put that in the papers.

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#66 millerlight89
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Meh game is incredibly boring. I for sure am not paying $15 a month to be put to sleep.
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#67 Elann2008
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Meh game is incredibly boring. I for sure am not paying $15 a month to be put to sleep. millerlight89
Agreed.
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#68 Mazoch
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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]I believe that the actual situation is that: - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many copies have been sold. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many people converted to subscribers after the first month. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers they need to break even. - No one outside EA/BioWare knows how many subscribers for how long, to break even with the development costs. FelipeInside
Really? Do you think their servers don't show active subscribers? Do you think they don't do market studies before and after?

I'm not sure I understand your point. I'm sure that EA knows the number of subscribers, the number of active players and I'm sure they've done plenty of market studies. My point is that WE don't have access to that information.

There's so many numbers being thrown around, but at the end of the day they are all really just random guesses without factual data from EA/BioWare.

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#69 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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if i had time, i'd probably give it a shot. sorry, dudes.
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#70 gearsofhalogeek
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Some interesting notes on the article it self

[QUOTE="LA Times"]

Art has been outsourced to Russia, Estonia and China. Motion capture filming is done in L.A. and Vancouver, Canada, with voices recorded in New York, London and Paris in English, French and German. Quality assurance testing takes place in Romania, Argentina and India, while technical operations are run out of Virginia and the customer service center operates in Ireland.

Led_poison

Still baffled by the $200 million dollar cost and yet they still cut corners on the engine. As evidenced by the http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=233714

when wow was released it used 150 million in development costs if you remember wow was completely broken at release. i have a 50 bounty hunter on a high population pvp server where on empire fleet during primetime there is usually at least 2 shards of 350 people online not to mention all the planets with multiple shards. usually ilum has 3 shards fighting during primetimes also. so yeah, the game sure is dying on my server. there are bugs, yes, but its nothing compared to some single player games ive played at launch. i am also having a blast with it, and the community is nowhere near as bad as wows.
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#71 Jabby250
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[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Another WoW killer bites the dust.

DanielDust

Haha, no. WoW is though, if anything.

Whatever makes you feel better though. :)

Yep, WoW has more subscribers than ever, but whatever makes you feel better. Sensationalism pft...

WoW's numbers have been declining. I don't really believe WoW's dying, but that it's going to get a bit more competition in the future with the release of other MMOs. More than it did previously, at least.

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#72 DanielDust
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That I don't deny, but an MMO will have to try extremely hard to take players from WoW since in this broad genre, everyone fights for that, except the few niche titles like EVE, no MMO can face WoW at being WoW and that's why they all fail. I was interested in SWTOR, but I just don't like anything about it other than Star Was and it also has nothing to offer me that WoW doesn't (and I'm not really in the mood to play WoW right now even if I've been subscribed for the last two months and I'll be till December of next year, continuously), sure SWTOR was just released, but what about it? nobody will go back to the beginning of time when you had nothing (SWTOR) when you're already in the modern ages and you have everything (WoW) and that's exactly what's happening right now. The only MMO that has a chance to be popular in millions and constant players is GW 2, because it does not compete, in a way SWTOR has double the problem since it's designed like WoW mostly, but it's also instanced like GW, both of these sides are from not interested at all to maybe but probably not.
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#73 gunmaster55555
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[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]Still laughing at everyone who said that it would be the actual WoW killer, "once and for all!" :lol:wis3boi
Anyone who thought that was delusional. Anything Blizzard makes sells like hotcakes, regardless of what it is, especially in the Asian market

Agreed. SWTOR is awesome and is doing good imo but anyone who thought it would destroy WoW is delusional. I don't think any MMO coming out will ever "kill" WoW unless blizzard stops supporting it honestly.
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#74 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]Still laughing at everyone who said that it would be the actual WoW killer, "once and for all!" :lol:gunmaster55555
Anyone who thought that was delusional. Anything Blizzard makes sells like hotcakes, regardless of what it is, especially in the Asian market

Agreed. SWTOR is awesome and is doing good imo but anyone who thought it would destroy WoW is delusional. I don't think any MMO coming out will ever "kill" WoW unless blizzard stops supporting it honestly.

indeed. Only blizz themselves could "kill" wow
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#76 D1zzyCriminal
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How long before it goes F2P then :P

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#77 wis3boi
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How long before it goes F2P then :P

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With EA in control? :lol: June of 2167
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#78 HyperWarlock
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[QUOTE="D1zzyCriminal"]

How long before it goes F2P then :P

wis3boi

With EA in control? :lol: June of 2167

10 months after your post.

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#79 vfibsux
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bored?

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Dat necro.
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#81 BSC14
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The article is gone...was it legit?

I find it hard to believe that they kept the game up and running for over a year as a lose.

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#82 yellosnolvr
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The article is gone...was it legit?

I find it hard to believe that they kept the game up and running for over a year as a lose.

BSC14
this was posted in january of 2012
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#83 ferrari2001
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way to resurrect an old thread.
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