System requirements empire: total war

onto a more current topic ne 1 thought of ya know using yougamers for finding this stuff out?

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Looks to me that empire total wars is quite a low spec game requiring single core and 256MB card.

If the 9600GT 512MB can't run it well then that is curtains to my 8800GT 512MB and to the 9800GT512Mb as well. They are hardly any better.

I will defend to the end when someone incorrectly claims the 8800GT is miles better than the 9600GT. Facts are it isn't. 32FPS is no better than 32FPS

Who do you think you are? A crusader for mid range graphics cards everywhere? Are you on the 9600GT's payroll? You sound a bit like a 9600GT Troll...

Those are still branded and clocked cards there...

So in the game Crysis in one of your reviews of Tom's hardware we see a 9600GT 1024MB SLI and it is miles below the 8800GT. Whats going on there then when two of your precious 9600GT's can't beat a single 8800GT??? If thats not miles apart I don't know what is...

BTW a 9800GT is more the 8800GT equal... being slighty better on the benchmarks... but a stock 9600GT? I don't think so... yeah its a good mid-range card but better than a 8800GT? I don't believe your data.

Personally playing Crysis on 1280x1024 is not maxing Crysis you need a bigger monitor than a 19" at 1600x900 and 1920x1080 Crysis is a beautiful game AND there are some high powered GPU's that CAN max it at that resolution

I will defend to the end when someone incorrectly claims the 8800GT is miles better than the 9600GT. Facts are it isn't. 32FPS is no better than 32FPS

Who do you think you are? A crusader for mid range graphics cards everywhere? Are you on the 9600GT's payroll? You sound a bit like a 9600GT Troll...

Those are still branded and clocked cards there...

So in the game Crysis in one of your reviews of Tom's hardware we see a 9600GT 1024MB SLI and it is miles below the 8800GT. Whats going on there then when two of your precious 9600GT's can't beat a single 8800GT??? If thats not miles apart I don't know what is...

BTW a 9800GT is more the 8800GT equal... being slighty better on the benchmarks... but a stock 9600GT? I don't think so... yeah its a good mid-range card but better than a 8800GT? I don't believe your data.

Personally playing Crysis on 1280x1024 is not maxing Crysis you need a bigger monitor than a 19" at 1600x900 and 1920x1080 Crysis is a beautiful game AND there are some high powered GPU's that CAN max it at that resolution

Fillo1980

I'm teddyrob who has had owned both 9600GT stock and 8800GT stock and tested them. Currently owns the 8800GT. The only reason I bought it was to prove to myself that there wasn't any difference bettween them, and I was right, there wasn't,therefore I know what I talking about do you own both cards do you, have you tested them yourself. I have. I've told you there is no difference. Anything the 8800GT can do so can the 9600GT at the same settings. The benchmarks speak for themselves as do my experience. You have no point but to argue. You have no facts. You are completely wrong. End of. You do notice the 9600GT stocks are with old driver dont' you?

32FPS is no better than 32FPS and that's that. I know all about the 8800GT looks better on paper but in games there is no difference. I've proved it to you. There is nothing left for you to say but continue to argue without any facts or data to back yourself up with. You don't own both cards.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Could my HIS 4670 1Gb max E:TW at 1024x768?strider_ATI

[QUOTE="Sordidus"]To max Empire: Total War you'll need a Nvidia or Ageia PhysX card with 256Mb V-RAM dedicated to PhysX.clyde46

PhysX it's exclusive to Nvidia cards.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Sordidus"]To max Empire: Total War you'll need a Nvidia or Ageia PhysX card with 256Mb V-RAM dedicated to PhysX.Sordidus

PhysX it's exclusive to Nvidia cards.

Unless he has ageia card. That will work.

[QUOTE="Sordidus"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Why a Nvidia card? Cant I do it on my ATI 4670 1Gb?teddyrob

PhysX it's exclusive to Nvidia cards.

Unless he has ageia card. That will work.

Did you you read all the posts you quoted? lol I said that and I think he doesn't have idea what an Ageia card is...

not true there is a difference the 9600 cant play company of heroes (very well) or DoW 2 but an 8800 can XDaura_enchanted

Yes although thats true to a point it really depends on the resolution... stick with the 9600GT IF you are going to go round saying you can max crysis at 1280x1024 which I think is ridiculous...

However if you want to savour the games eye candy and run the resolution at 1600x1200 and above, then the 8800GT's extra power in GFLOPS are the way to go...

If you were serious about gaming you wouldn't run graphics intensive games with a 9600GT at 1280x1024. But a 9600GT IS on par at that resolution... however if you are a serious gamer you would run at least 1600x1200 or high such as HD resolutions... I honestly don't know where some people get off on the basis that they max Crysis at 1280x1024... Its sort of a hollow victory... Its like saying I can max any game at 800x600 well of course I can but who plays on that resolution??? People with 14" Monitors? And they call themselves "gamers?" PLEASE....

All's I'm saying is if your play at 1280x1024 you can play well with a 9600GT... above that resolution get a 8800GT, as they have the required horsepower for larger resolutions...

A "Yougamers" study for the most popular graphics cards of all time is the trusty 8800GT... Here are the fact, although I had *ALOT* bit of trouble because I have firefox :p Yes I can see you are Teddyrob from your avatar, I'm Fillo1980 pleased to meet you :p

Go here for my data..... http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_9600_gt_sli_performance/page9.asp

[QUOTE="aura_enchanted"]not true there is a difference the 9600 cant play company of heroes (very well) or DoW 2 but an 8800 can XDFillo1980

Yes although thats true to a point it really depends on the resolution... stick with the 9600GT IF you are going to go round saying you can max crysis at 1280x1024 which I think is ridiculous...

However if you want to savour the games eye candy and run the resolution at 1600x1200 and above, then the 8800GT's extra power in GFLOPS are the way to go...

If you were serious about gaming you wouldn't run graphics intensive games with a 9600GT at 1280x1024. But a 9600GT IS on par at that resolution... however if you are a serious gamer you would run at least 1600x1200 or high such as HD resolutions... I honestly don't know where some people get off on the basis that they max Crysis at 1280x1024... Its sort of a hollow victory... Its like saying I can max any game at 800x600 well of course I can but who plays on that resolution??? People with 14" Monitors? And they call themselves "gamers?" PLEASE....

All's I'm saying is if your play at 1280x1024 you can play well with a 9600GT... above that resolution get a 8800GT, as they have the required horsepower for larger resolutions...

A "Yougamers" study for the most popular graphics cards of all time is the trusty 8800GT... Here are the fact, although I had *ALOT* bit of trouble because I have firefox :p Yes I can see you are Teddyrob from your avatar, I'm Fillo1980 pleased to meet you :p

Go here for my data..... http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_9600_gt_sli_performance/page9.asp

not everyone wants to play games for the eye candy, and those that do are ignorant to a PC'sbreakdown and what statisics for various parts mean. if you spend the rest of your days placing your value on benchmark scores and studiesbased on popularity u deserve to be hit by a bus. also id like to note a pentium D has a greater ghz threshold to a C2D before O.C. and continues that trend when O.C. so as i can see it C2D's suck (at least in your little world XD)

[QUOTE="Fillo1980"]

not everyone wants to play games for the eye candy, and those that do are ignorant to a PC'sbreakdown and what statisics for various parts mean. if you spend the rest of your days placing your value on benchmark scores and studiesbased on popularity u deserve to be hit by a bus. also id like to note a pentium D has a greater ghz threshold to a C2D before O.C. and continues that trend when O.C. so as i can see it C2D's suck (at least in your little world XD)

aura_enchanted

I agree dude. But when people start saying I max Crysis at 1280x1024 on a 9600GT they are making quite a bold statement... I'm here to help correct that outlandish statement... But yes those who base there enjoyment through a game by benchmarks then they do deserve to be hit by a bus!!

But I'm a different creature.... an overclocker!! :D

All's I'm saying is if your play at 1280x1024 you can play well with a 9600GT... above that resolution get a 8800GT, as they have the required horsepower for larger resolutions...

Fillo1980

8800GT can not play crysis at 1280x1024 and very high settings very well. Only 1024x768 same as the 9600GT.

They don't make 8800GT now. They are finished. EOL. 9600GT will get you the same resolutions and settings as the 8800GT really there is very little difference between them. You think it's like all in terms of Gflops it isn't. You are looking at raw performance on a spec sheet. It's means nothing. It's like having 2 race cars and one has the higher speed doesn't mean it's going to win the race because the 9600GT has advantages that the 8800GT doesn't have, higher clocks, higher shader clocks. both are limited by the 57.6GB/s memory bandwidth.

So depending on the game and whether the game is more demandng in it's pixel fill rate or texture fill ratethan that determins the winner in any given situation but that isn't entirely all look here:-

9600GT 10.8Gpixel/s, 20.8Gtexels/s

8800GT 9.6 Gpixels/s, 30.6Gtexels/s

To cut a long story short. It keeps up with 8800GT in any game because the 8800GT is limited by its 9.6Gpixels/s far before the 9600GT is limited by the texel fill rate and it resolution they'd be limited with bandwidth of memory both the same. So if anything the 9600GT with AA keeps up the 8800GT at resolution. The 8800GT doesn't steam ahead not one bit. Basically you can see these two cards are very equally matched in gaming performance. Nothing it's little brother can't do that the 8800GT can do.

Look I can do high resolution too.

Done and dusted. I've proved my point. You have nothing to bring to the table but lies and FUD.

[QUOTE="Fillo1980"]

All's I'm saying is if your play at 1280x1024 you can play well with a 9600GT... above that resolution get a 8800GT, as they have the required horsepower for larger resolutions...

teddyrob

They don't make 8800GT now. They are finished. EOL. 9600GT will get you the same resolutions and settings as the 8800GT really there is very little difference between them. You think it's like all in terms of Gflops it isn't. You are looking at raw performance on a spec sheet. It's means nothing. It's like having 2 race cars and one has the higher speed doesn't mean it's going to win the race because the 9600GT has advantages that the 8800GT doesn't have, higher clocks, higher shader clocks. both are limited by the 57.6GB/s memory bandwidth.

Done and dusted. I've proved my point. You have nothing to bring to the table but lies and FUD.

They make the 9800GT and that's basicaly the same of an 8800GT, and it's generally faster than the 9600GT and that's a fact.

They make the 9800GT and that's basicaly the same of an 8800GT, and it's generally faster than the 9600GT and that's a fact. Sordidus

It is faster. It is also faster than a 8800GT by about 1FPS or so and that's also fact. Many facts here and a lot of lies too and lies that are not backed by any data or benchmarks.

[QUOTE="Fillo1980"]

All's I'm saying is if your play at 1280x1024 you can play well with a 9600GT... above that resolution get a 8800GT, as they have the required horsepower for larger resolutions...

teddyrob

8800GT can not play crysis at 1280x1024 and very high settings very well. Only 1024x768 same as the 9600GT.

They don't make 8800GT now. They are finished. EOL. 9600GT will get you the same resolutions and settings as the 8800GT really there is very little difference between them. You think it's like all in terms of Gflops it isn't. You are looking at raw performance on a spec sheet. It's means nothing. It's like having 2 race cars and one has the higher speed doesn't mean it's going to win the race because the 9600GT has advantages that the 8800GT doesn't have, higher clocks, higher shader clocks. both are limited by the 57.6GB/s memory bandwidth.

So depending on the game and whether the game is more demandng in it's pixel fill rate or texture fill ratethan that determins the winner in any given situation but that isn't entirely all look here:-

9600GT 10.8Gpixel/s, 20.8Gtexels/s

8800GT 9.6 Gpixels/s, 30.6Gtexels/s

To cut a long story short. It keeps up with 8800GT in any game because the 8800GT is limited by its 9.6Gpixels/s far before the 9600GT is limited by the texel fill rate and it resolution they'd be limited with bandwidth of memory both the same. So if anything the 9600GT with AA keeps up the 8800GT at resolution. The 8800GT doesn't steam ahead not one bit. Basically you can see these two cards are very equally matched in gaming performance. Nothing it's little brother can't do that the 8800GT can do.

Like i said there is a difference 10-15%. Is just that in some games that are more dependent on clock and memory speed the 9600gt can match the 88oogt due to the slightly higher clicks. But newer games that are more dependent on shader power which is more significant for a vga to have more shader power nowdays the 880gt is 10-15% faster. You post certain games at certain resolutions with certain settings that the 9600gt is on par with the 8800gt. I can do that but witht the 8800gt beign 10-15% faster and sometimes 20% or more.

For playing crysis at high at that res the 8800gt is barely enough ( average 30 and min slightly more than 20) while the 9600gt has 17fps min which is not exactly playable

[QUOTE="Sordidus"]They make the 9800GT and that's basicaly the same of an 8800GT, and it's generally faster than the 9600GT and that's a fact. teddyrob

It is faster. It is also faster than a 8800GT by about 1FPS or so and that's also fact. Many facts here and a lot of lies too and lies that are not backed by any data or benchmarks.

Well, if you're talking about the performance difference of those cards on higher resolutions, of course the difference will remain around the same, but depends on the game. But I think the 9600GT is a useless card on that price point.

^ they are old drivers when the cards were brand new and not yet full optimised^

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="Sordidus"]They make the 9800GT and that's basicaly the same of an 8800GT, and it's generally faster than the 9600GT and that's a fact. Sordidus

It is faster. It is also faster than a 8800GT by about 1FPS or so and that's also fact. Many facts here and a lot of lies too and lies that are not backed by any data or benchmarks.

Well, if you're talking about the performance difference of those cards on higher resolutions, of course the difference will remain around the same.

Thank you. 8800 little bit better but not much over the 9600GT not a massive amount. Certainly it isn't 10%-15% with AA at resolution, maybe at 1024x768 with no AA but I played all my games at 1600x1200 4XAA and I say a little a 1FPS if that, I got the 8800GT and my dad now has the 9600GT. 3dmark06 score 300 marks more to the 8800 and it won 2 of the 4 games by 2FPS and 9600GT one 1 game by 2FPS and the other was about equal. something like that.

Ummmm. So I pre-ordered Empires, anyone seen any pre-release benches?

What kind of settings do you think will I be able to run on my rig?

I game at 1920x1200. Rest of specs in sig.

So if I want to max this game ill need a Phyix card, BUT I could run this game from a ATI card on high @1024x768?clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"]So if I want to max this game ill need a Phyix card, BUT I could run this game from a ATI card on high @1024x768?adamosmaki

If you aren't using all the eyecandy possible on a game, how are you maxing it...?:roll: And I never said anything about performance drop, did I? Actually to use PhysX when you just have one single card, it should have more than 512Mb VRAM since for PhysX you need 256Mb.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]So if I want to max this game ill need a Phyix card, BUT I could run this game from a ATI card on high @1024x768?adamosmaki

Where are you getting your info from? I would be interested to see so I can get an Idea of what settings I can use with my rig.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="clyde46"]So if I want to max this game ill need a Phyix card, BUT I could run this game from a ATI card on high @1024x768?Duckshot

Where are you getting your info from? I would be interested to see so I can get an Idea of what settings I can use with my rig.

Yougamers is a goodsite. Besides that both 4870 and 4850 are excellent cards and with the exception of crysis they can max every game up to 1920x1080 (4870 actually can max crysis with AA and everything at 1680x1050 while 4850 can do it at 1280x1024)

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