TF2 is STILL unplayable

I seriously can't believe Valve still haven't fixed this bull****. I know, we're talking about Valve here, but nevertheless this is pretty damn bad. I've recently reinstalled TF2 after about 5 months absence and this fps problem still remains. It effectively renders the game unplayable. I'm sure many of you are already aware of it. Whenever I enter combat, my framerate decreases to around 15-20 REGARDLESS of what graphics settings I use.

See this.

I've tried that 'fix' and it didn't work. Any word on how Valve are handling this issue?

I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.

This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.

The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.

Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...

TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.

Meh, you could go buy another shooter on the SWEET SUMMER DEALLLL!

But seriously, good luck with that. I rarely get any fps drops.

I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.

This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.

The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.

Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...

TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.

kozzy1234

AMD X2 4600

2GB 800mhz ram

X1950Pro

Windows XP

Running latest drivers. HDD defragged, system clean.

Like I said, REGARDLESS of what settings I use ingame, this problem remains. Seems funny that somebody with this insane hardware is experiencing the same problem as me (quoted from the link in my original post):

"I honestly don't think it has anything to do with anti-virus. The most annoying issue with this bug is sometimes i can go in game and play 120fps constant. At other times i jump in and my computer slows down to 10fps. I have tried both the antivirus exclusions and the network fix. I have even tried updating all my drivers to the latest and i'm having no luck.

I am currently running an i7 920, 6gb corsair ram, 4870 and in every other game im fine. Its a sad day when my 3 year old laptop can run tf2 better then my new pc.

Anyway I hope a fix is found soon as I still really enjoy playing tf2."

Bear in mind that I don't experience this problem in ANY other Source game aswell.

When you do play do you ever make note of the other player's ping rates? One guy with poor ping rates (500+) will kill the FPS for everyone connected to that specific server.Threesixtyci

Nah, this problem occurs on every server I play.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.

This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.

The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.

Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...

TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.

Remmib

Yes there are peopel that have issues with EVERY game.

If you check the steam forums there are maybe 1000 people out of MILLIONS that have issues. Almost every game will have people having crashes or low FPS just because every computer is differnt, with differnt parts, differnt drivers, programs,etc..

The amount of people having issues is extremely low. It sucks that people have the problems, but for the majoriety of people it runs very well.

LOL an xbox 360 runs the game better than your PC does LOL. but yeah IDK man its something with your PC not Valve or steam, its just your PC man.Sniping_Crowbar

No it doesnt. I own the 360 version and pc version and the 360 version of TF2 is capped at 30FPS, while when I play TF2 on PC i get no lower then 60-80 FPS, usually alot higher. Ive never seen it go anywhere near under 60FPS.

Just some people have issues for what ever reason.

I once had some slowdowns in The WItcher and TF2 and I reformatted and problem was solved. Dont know if it was a program conflict or driver conflict, but it fixed the issue I had in those two games. I to thought it was the games (TF2 and The Withcer) because only two games out of like 100 had slowdown, but a reformat fixed the issues right away, learned that is was something on my end.

[QUOTE="Remmib"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.

This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.

The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.

Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...

TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.

kozzy1234

Yes there are peopel that have issues with EVERY game.

If you check the steam forums there are maybe 1000 people out of MILLIONS that have issues. Almost every game will have people having crashes or low FPS just because every computer is differnt, with differnt parts, differnt drivers, programs,etc..

The amount of people having issues is extremely low. It sucks that people have the problems, but for the majoriety of people it runs very well.

I'm afraid that's a poor argument. Just because a minority of the community are struggling with the game does not necessarily mean that Valve should throw in the towel. Moreover, this is a UNIQUE problem which people are having to deal with; it's not just an atmosphere of complaint over a multitude of issues (e.g. poor performance in general (remember STALKER when it first came out?)). And I'd hardly deem 50 forum pages of community complaints concerning this SAME issue insignificant.

From what ive noticed (have this problem myself and did A LOT of reading in the forums) TF2 is VERY (and i mean VERY) heavy on cpu . TF2 relies a lot more on cpu than other modern games . Thats why lots of ppl with lower cpu can play modern games but not TF2 .

There is confing file online which should make things a lot better . cant remember how its called tho . try google it or read forums.

Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.

THA-TODD-BEAST

At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.

kazakauskas

At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.

Because the truth is useless, right?

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.

THA-TODD-BEAST

At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.

Because the truth is useless, right?

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.

kazakauskas

Because the truth is useless, right?

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

Hey, listen, all I'm saying is that you're complaining about the playability of a game when you're using an outdated video card and CPU and the bare minimum amount of RAM. Of course it's going to run like ass, especially in servers with more than 20 players who are all fighting in one concentrated spot. If you don't upgrade your PC, coming to the forums to complain is a little redundant. You said it yourself: The game is CPU dependent. Gee, I wonder how the problem could be solved? Getting a computer with a better CPU, perhaps? It only makes sense. It's not what he wants to hear, but it's the truth. I just don't sugarcoat it.

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.

kazakauskas

Because the truth is useless, right?

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

Because the truth is useless, right?

THA-TODD-BEAST

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

Hey, listen, all I'm saying is that you're complaining about the playability of a game when you're using an outdated video card and CPU and the bare minimum amount of RAM. Of course it's going to run like ass, especially in servers with more than 20 players who are all fighting in one concentrated spot. If you don't upgrade your PC, coming to the forums to complain is a little redundant. You said it yourself: The game is CPU dependent. Gee, I wonder how the problem could be solved? Getting a computer with a better CPU, perhaps? It only makes sense. It's not what he wants to hear, but it's the truth. I just don't sugarcoat it.

Point is that even with decent cpu's game still runs bad . Or are you saying that i need nowaday 4 core cpu to play TF2 (2007 game) .

I can play most modern games on medium graphic setting , but not TF2 .

And as i said , there is indeed a way to fix it . so how is getting new pc THE only and THE best way ?

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

Because the truth is useless, right?

Nibroc420

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

I understand better than you , no ofence . But if you do at least a bit of research about this problem , you would know what i mean.

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

kazakauskas

Hey, listen, all I'm saying is that you're complaining about the playability of a game when you're using an outdated video card and CPU and the bare minimum amount of RAM. Of course it's going to run like ass, especially in servers with more than 20 players who are all fighting in one concentrated spot. If you don't upgrade your PC, coming to the forums to complain is a little redundant. You said it yourself: The game is CPU dependent. Gee, I wonder how the problem could be solved? Getting a computer with a better CPU, perhaps? It only makes sense. It's not what he wants to hear, but it's the truth. I just don't sugarcoat it.

Point is that even with decent cpu's game still runs bad . Or are you saying that i need nowaday 4 core cpu to play TF2 (2007 game) .

I can play most modern games on medium graphic setting , but not TF2 .

And as i said , there is indeed a way to fix it . so how is getting new pc THE only and THE best way ?

I was playing the game and getting top 5 in every server with a 2-year old PC, using an AMD X2 4800+ processor. My video card was better than the OP's, though, and I'm sure that helped things. You don't need a 4-core CPU to play the game, but it certainly doesn't hurt. That's what I'm using now, and paired up with 8 gigs of RAM and an ATI 5870, I blow the game out of the water with everything cranked up. I have no frame rate drops below 40-50, so the complaints of these drops even on super computers leads me to believe the users are to blame. Either that or they've got major problems with their hardware. Overheating? Bad drivers? Who knows. They're to blame, that's all I know for sure.

If there is a way to fix it, why hasn't the OP "fixed" it yet? You can't "fix" things if your hardware barely scrapes past the requirements for maintaining a good frame rate. You can lower the settings all you want, tinker around with the config files, and do whatever you feel is necessary, but if the game still runs poorly afterwards and no user mods work, you're out of luck and need to invest in better PC components or a new PC all-together. If that's not a satisfactory answer for you or the OP, I suggest you both move over to console gaming so that you won't have to blame the developers for your problems and can play games on the same system years after its release without worrying about such magical "fixes" to make the games playable again.

Well actually, TF2 got a major performance hit when they introduced particles. It's also running on an old source engine that's more cpu dependent than most other games. If I were to play the original TF2 on the same computer compared to the new TF2, I would suffer from horrid framerates too. It's not his hardware that is to blame, it's the lazy optimizers over at Valve.BDK-Soft

That's the easy way out these days. When an engine receives graphical effects to enhance its appearance and bring down frame rates on ancient rigs, it's not because the game looks better. It's because the engine isn't "optimized" enough. "Optimized" is the magical word, and I'll guarantee you 99.9% of the users out there who use this worn-out term in regards to an engine's performance know zilch about the subject matter.

Well actually, TF2 got a major performance hit when they introduced particles. It's also running on an old source engine that's more cpu dependent than most other games. If I were to play the original TF2 on the same computer compared to the new TF2, I would suffer from horrid framerates too. It's not his hardware that is to blame, it's the lazy optimizers over at Valve.BDK-Soft

At least someone agree with me :)

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"] No, you're wrong. Many people have this problem. I am one of them.Angurvadal_88

Yes there are peopel that have issues with EVERY game.

If you check the steam forums there are maybe 1000 people out of MILLIONS that have issues. Almost every game will have people having crashes or low FPS just because every computer is differnt, with differnt parts, differnt drivers, programs,etc..

The amount of people having issues is extremely low. It sucks that people have the problems, but for the majoriety of people it runs very well.

I'm afraid that's a poor argument. Just because a minority of the community are struggling with the game does not necessarily mean that Valve should throw in the towel. Moreover, this is a UNIQUE problem which people are having to deal with; it's not just an atmosphere of complaint over a multitude of issues (e.g. poor performance in general (remember STALKER when it first came out?)). And I'd hardly deem 50 forum pages of community complaints concerning this SAME issue insignificant.

Get a better cpu or add some ram. Even try a reformat if that doesnt work.

As someone else said, its cpu intensive, with lots going on at a time.

Yes I want steam to fix the issues that a small portion of people are having, but a few thousand people out of MILLIONS is a very small amount. If it was unplayable as you said then there wouldnt be so many people running the game so well daily.

[QUOTE="BDK-Soft"]Well actually, TF2 got a major performance hit when they introduced particles. It's also running on an old source engine that's more cpu dependent than most other games. If I were to play the original TF2 on the same computer compared to the new TF2, I would suffer from horrid framerates too. It's not his hardware that is to blame, it's the lazy optimizers over at Valve.THA-TODD-BEAST

That's the easy way out these days. When an engine receives graphical effects to enhance its appearance and bring down frame rates on ancient rigs, it's not because the game looks better. It's because the engine isn't "optimized" enough. "Optimized" is the magical word, and I'll guarantee you 99.9% of the users out there who use this worn-out term in regards to an engine's performance know zilch about the subject matter.

Well actually, TF2 got a major performance hit when they introduced particles. It's also running on an old source engine that's more cpu dependent than most other games. If I were to play the original TF2 on the same computer compared to the new TF2, I would suffer from horrid framerates too. It's not his hardware that is to blame, it's the lazy optimizers over at Valve.BDK-Soft

Its nto badly optimized at all, its just CPU intensive, that doenst mean the game is badly optimized, runs flawless for me and I dont have that great of a GPU, just have a good CPU. And i have not seen any decrease in FPS since the latest updates, still runs the same.

Valve is the opposite of lazy imo, they do tons of free updates, fixes all the time and listen to the community.

Wanna see a badly optimized game? Saints Row, Crystosis or GTAIV says hello.

Some games need a better graphics card, some need a better CPU.

Like I said ive never gone under 60FPs in TF2 ever.

[QUOTE="Remmib"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"] No, you're wrong. Many people have this problem. I am one of them.kozzy1234

Yes there are peopel that have issues with EVERY game.

If you check the steam forums there are maybe 1000 people out of MILLIONS that have issues. Almost every game will have people having crashes or low FPS just because every computer is differnt, with differnt parts, differnt drivers, programs,etc..

The amount of people having issues is extremely low. It sucks that people have the problems, but for the majoriety of people it runs very well.

Wrong again, many many people on the Steam forums have had this problem.

All of the people who now have this problem didn't have them months ago. They came up after Valve kept releasing updates.

And you think it is a good argument to compare the thousands of people who are active enough to respond on a specific forum to the number of people who just bought the game, but have no idea about forums, etc? Not a fair argument.

Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.

THA-TODD-BEAST

Please go, troll.

I run it around 150fps and it drops to about 120fps when in big combat its fine for me.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .

Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless

kazakauskas

I understand better than you , no ofence . But if you do at least a bit of research about this problem , you would know what i mean.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"][QUOTE="Remmib"]

Yes there are peopel that have issues with EVERY game.

If you check the steam forums there are maybe 1000 people out of MILLIONS that have issues. Almost every game will have people having crashes or low FPS just because every computer is differnt, with differnt parts, differnt drivers, programs,etc..

The amount of people having issues is extremely low. It sucks that people have the problems, but for the majoriety of people it runs very well.Remmib

Wrong again, many many people on the Steam forums have had this problem.

All of the people who now have this problem didn't have them months ago. They came up after Valve kept releasing updates.

And you think it is a good argument to compare the thousands of people who are active enough to respond on a specific forum to the number of people who just bought the game, but have no idea about forums, etc? Not a fair argument.

Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.

THA-TODD-BEAST

Please go, troll.

It sucks that a few thousand people are having issues with TF2 SINCE the updates, but there are millions and millions that run the game perfectly fine.

Once again its a very small percentage that have this issues. Ive read tf2 forums and many others and notice the problems people are having, but then look athte number of people playing the game and running it very well.

It would not be one of the most popular onlien FPS if people where getting 10-20 FPS all the time.

Some games NEED a good graphics card instead of a good CPU and others the other way around. Games that are more GPU intensive i sometimes struggle with, while CPU intensive games I run alot better, because i have a better CPU then a GPU, its not hard to understand.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.

This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.

The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.

Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...

TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.

Remmib

[QUOTE="BDK-Soft"]Well actually, TF2 got a major performance hit when they introduced particles. It's also running on an old source engine that's more cpu dependent than most other games. If I were to play the original TF2 on the same computer compared to the new TF2, I would suffer from horrid framerates too. It's not his hardware that is to blame, it's the lazy optimizers over at Valve.kozzy1234

Its nto badly optimized at all, its just CPU intensive, that doenst mean the game is badly optimized, runs flawless for me and I dont have that great of a GPU, just have a good CPU. And i have not seen any decrease in FPS since the latest updates, still runs the same.

Valve is the opposite of lazy imo, they do tons of free updates, fixes all the time and listen to the community.

Wanna see a badly optimized game? Saints Row, Crystosis or GTAIV says hello.

Some games need a better graphics card, some need a better CPU.

Like I said ive never gone under 60FPs in TF2 ever.

Well, cant 100% agree with you bud .

Lets say they indeed optimized tha game ( lets say they optimized "diferemt" , more cpu dependant) .

But that they should have left ability to chance our ing setting . i did try to set lowest setting with no effect . so i had to spend half day searching for someones made config file which lets me actually tweak my game setting for my cpu.

i hope it made sense :|

It sucks that a few thousand people are having issues with TF2 SINCE the updates, but there are millions and millions that run the game perfectly fine.

Once again its a very small percentage that have this issues. Ive read tf2 forums and many others and notice the problems people are having, but then look athte number of people playing the game and running it very well.

It would not be one of the most popular onlien FPS if people where getting 10-20 FPS all the time.

Some games NEED a good graphics card instead of a good CPU and others the other way around. Games that are more GPU intensive i sometimes struggle with, while CPU intensive games I run alot better, because i have a better CPU then a GPU, its not hard to understand.

kozzy1234

Keep making your crappy arguments.

You assume that everyone who is not replying on the forum is experiencing adequate performance in relationship to their hardware.

It's not that hard to understand that I used to be able to run the game perfectly at all high settings. Valve releases a bunch of updates and eventually I was bitten by their poor performance bug. I can set everything to low settings now and still get lag.

It's not that hard to understand.:roll:

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

It sucks that a few thousand people are having issues with TF2 SINCE the updates, but there are millions and millions that run the game perfectly fine.

Once again its a very small percentage that have this issues. Ive read tf2 forums and many others and notice the problems people are having, but then look athte number of people playing the game and running it very well.

It would not be one of the most popular onlien FPS if people where getting 10-20 FPS all the time.

Some games NEED a good graphics card instead of a good CPU and others the other way around. Games that are more GPU intensive i sometimes struggle with, while CPU intensive games I run alot better, because i have a better CPU then a GPU, its not hard to understand.

Remmib

Keep making your crappy arguments.

You assume that everyone who is not replying on the forum is experiencing adequate performance in relationship to their hardware.

It's not that hard to understand that I used to be able to run the game perfectly at all high settings. Valve releases a bunch of updates and eventually I was bitten by their poor performance bug. I can set everything to low settings now and still get lag.

It's not that hard to understand.:roll:

tf2 is fine for me. i play with vsynch on so it usually hovers around 60fps. though it does dip down to 30 quite often, which probably shouldnt happen considering how good my computer is, and all other games are perfect. either way, its still always smooth

[QUOTE="Sniping_Crowbar"]LOL an xbox 360 runs the game better than your PC does LOL. but yeah IDK man its something with your PC not Valve or steam, its just your PC man.kozzy1234

No it doesnt. I own the 360 version and pc version and the 360 version of TF2 is capped at 30FPS, while when I play TF2 on PC i get no lower then 60-80 FPS, usually alot higher. Ive never seen it go anywhere near under 60FPS.

Pretty sure this was directed at the TC.

Please go, troll.

Remmib

Or... ? Am I supposed to be afraid and, like, stop posting because you want me to?

Keep making your crappy arguments.

You assume that everyone who is not replying on the forum is experiencing adequate performance in relationship to their hardware.

It's not that hard to understand that I used to be able to run the game perfectly at all high settings. Valve releases a bunch of updates and eventually I was bitten by their poor performance bug. I can set everything to low settings now and still get lag.

It's not that hard to understand.:roll:

Remmib

What are your computer specs? I'm assuming you're yet another user trying to play the game with inadequate hardware. If you don't have a good CPU and video card and at least more than 2 gigs of RAM, I wouldn't expect to get great performance from this game even at lower video settings.

Hmm, curious... Especially since I've played TF2 on my old 3GHz Pentium 4 + GeForce 6600GT with no performance problems at all.

Ohh, so you're saying that with the recent update your computer's cpu was unable to handle the particles and such that have been added in to make the game look nicer? Nope, not hard to understand at allNibroc420

You would have to be a complete idiot to think that 'particles' which I never even saw make any difference (don't know when they went into effect) would bring my FPS down from a steady 60-70FPS at all high settings to dropping down to 15-30FPS at low settings.

Or... ? Am I supposed to be afraid and, like, stop posting because you want me to?

What are your computer specs? I'm assuming you're yet another user trying to play the game with inadequate hardware. If you don't have a good CPU and video card and at least more than 2 gigs of RAM, I wouldn't expect to get great performance from this game even at lower video settings.

THA-TODD-BEAST

It's because you simply don't understand what you are talking about.

Read my above statement to Nibroc.

E8400 @ 3Ghz
8800 GTX
4 gigs of ram

Few months back TF2 ran butter-smooth, now it doesn't because Valve screwed something up. Many other users are experiencing this same problem.

In before you say I need to update my drivers, or I need to defrag, or I need to verify the cache, or I should do a clean install of my OS...it's been done, no fix.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Ohh, so you're saying that with the recent update your computer's cpu was unable to handle the particles and such that have been added in to make the game look nicer? Nope, not hard to understand at allRemmib

You would have to be a complete idiot to think that 'particles' which I never even saw make any difference (don't know when they went into effect) would bring my FPS down from a steady 60-70FPS at all high settings to dropping down to 15-30FPS at low settings.

Or... ? Am I supposed to be afraid and, like, stop posting because you want me to?

What are your computer specs? I'm assuming you're yet another user trying to play the game with inadequate hardware. If you don't have a good CPU and video card and at least more than 2 gigs of RAM, I wouldn't expect to get great performance from this game even at lower video settings.

THA-TODD-BEAST

It's because you simply don't understand what you are talking about.

Read my above statement to Nibroc.

E8400 @ 3Ghz
8800 GTX
4 gigs of ram

Few months back TF2 ran butter-smooth, now it doesn't because Valve screwed something up. Many other users are experiencing this same problem.

In before you say I need to update my drivers, or I need to defrag, or I need to verify the cache, or I should do a clean install of my OS...it's been done, no fix.

It's because you simply don't understand what you are talking about.

Read my above statement to Nibroc.

E8400 @ 3Ghz
8800 GTX
4 gigs of ram

Few months back TF2 ran butter-smooth, now it doesn't because Valve screwed something up. Many other users are experiencing this same problem.

In before you say I need to update my drivers, or I need to defrag, or I need to verify the cache, or I should do a clean install of my OS...it's been done, no fix.

Remmib

The problem is definitely on your end, no doubt about it. With those specs, and other than the outdated video card, you shouldn't have major issues playing the game. I lended the same computer with the AMD X2 4800+ CPU, 2 GB RAM, and 8800 GTX to my friend and he has used it to play TF2 with me with no problems. You guys are the select few who experience these problems, whereas the vast majority of players have zero performance issues. Even in the pub servers I frequent, I rarely if ever hear any complaints about the performance. Go figure.

The problem is definitely on your end, no doubt about it. With those specs, and other than the outdated video card, you shouldn't have major issues playing the game. I lended the same computer with the AMD X2 4800+ CPU, 2 GB RAM, and 8800 GTX to my friend and he has used it to play TF2 with me with no problems. You guys are the select few who experience these problems, whereas the vast majority of players have zero performance issues. Even in the pub servers I frequent, I rarely if ever hear any complaints about the performance. Go figure.

THA-TODD-BEAST

Lol yeah okay, it's on my end...not.

Any time I bring it up in a pub I get feedback similar to mine from other players. Valve screwed something up that is only affecting a certain percentage of the TF2 playing population.