You simply can't have free speech here on the Gamespot forums without your posts being removed. One of my posts was removed for "trolling" when I simply told the OP that his specs are terrible (they are by today's standards) and that he should either invest into a new computer or not play the game until he does so. How is this considered trolling? If anything, it's giving advice that makes sense. Nobody should be trying to play this game on a X2 4600 processor and X1950 Radeon video card. It simply doesn't make sense.
TF2 is STILL unplayable
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There should never be updates that make the game unplayable. When you buy a game, and are above the minimum requirements, you expect it to work, if some time down the road the developer decides to add fancy graphics, the game should still support the earlier customers that invested in the game and are expecting it to work. His computer meets the requirements, and plus its not his computer, a lot of people are having this problem with very powerful computers.You simply can't have free speech here on the Gamespot forums without your posts being removed. One of my posts was removed for "trolling" when I simply told the OP that his specs are terrible (they are by today's standards) and that he should either invest into a new computer or not play the game until he does so. How is this considered trolling? If anything, it's giving advice that makes sense. Nobody should be trying to play this game on a X2 4600 processor and X1950 Radeon video card. It simply doesn't make sense.
THA-TODD-BEAST
[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]There should never be updates that make the game unplayable. When you buy a game, and are above the minimum requirements, you expect it to work, if some time down the road the developer decides to add fancy graphics, the game should still support the earlier customers that invested in the game and are expecting it to work. His computer meets the requirements, and plus its not his computer, a lot of people are having this problem with very powerful computers. People keep saying "A lot of people are having this problem" Correction, in the grand scheme of thigns, VERY FEW people are having this problem. If the statement i made was untrue then TF2 wouldn't be one of the most popular shooters out there today (which it is) If a developer decides to release an update to make their game run and look nicer. Thats their choice, People enjoy pretty games, and if a company can release an update making their game prettier, then go for it. Yes, some people have problems running TF2, but some people also have problems installing drivers or doing other simple things. You can't simply say "I and a few others on a forum i found on the internet are having difficulty running this game, Therefor it is a terrible buggy mess." If the game was truly as Horrible and as bugged as you say, There would be updates and there would be less people having absolutely ZERO difficulty running this game. If you're having problems running this game, Update your Drivers, Defrag, or Update your rig, cause obviously you're not doing something right.You simply can't have free speech here on the Gamespot forums without your posts being removed. One of my posts was removed for "trolling" when I simply told the OP that his specs are terrible (they are by today's standards) and that he should either invest into a new computer or not play the game until he does so. How is this considered trolling? If anything, it's giving advice that makes sense. Nobody should be trying to play this game on a X2 4600 processor and X1950 Radeon video card. It simply doesn't make sense.
albi321
[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]No, you're wrong. Many people have this problem. I am one of them.I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.
This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.
The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.
Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...
TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.
Remmib
yes, I have this problem too, this is from 119 patch.
[QUOTE="kazakauskas"][QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]
Because the truth is useless, right?
Nibroc420
Thats not truth . Truth is that TF2 is indeed very bad optimised , and truth is that there is some user made "fixes" .
Now you see, truth isnt useless . Now simple spam which dont add anything to the topic - indeed is useless
Clearly you dont understand. The OP's computer is to blame, he's probably got the game at max settings max resolution and his GFX card is like "zomg stop!!!" Rather than just jumping on the "this game is poorly optimized" bandwagon, why dont you actually look at the game in question... Yes OP, when stalker first released it was buggy and unoptimized, but we're not discussing Stalker. You're having trouble with TF2, lets discuss that, seeing how it's the topic of this thread. TF2 runs on the source engine, a very WELL optimized engine that the majority of computers can run. If you're having trouble running games that use this engine (which is at least 5 years old) then i suggest you update your drivers. If this doesn't solve your problem, maybe you should shell out ~$50 on a better graphics card that actually has a chance to run the game. /Thread.Clearly you don't understand. Did you read my posts properly? Sorry, you didn't. Let me help you out. As I said before, this was quoted from the link in my original post; many users with elite hardware are reporting the SAME problem:
"I honestly don't think it has anything to do with anti-virus. The most annoying issue with this bug is sometimes i can go in game and play 120fps constant. At other times i jump in and my computer slows down to 10fps. I have tried both the antivirus exclusions and the network fix. I have even tried updating all my drivers to the latest and i'm having no luck.
I am currently running an i7 920, 6gb corsair ram, 4870 and in every other game im fine. Its a sad day when my 3 year old laptop can run tf2 better then my new pc.
Anyway I hope a fix is found soon as I still really enjoy playing tf2."
Have you got that into your head? Good. And no I'm not running the game at "max settings max resolution," again, as I said before, REGARDLESS of what graphics settings I use, the problem remains.
[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]
[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]
Hey, listen, all I'm saying is that you're complaining about the playability of a game when you're using an outdated video card and CPU and the bare minimum amount of RAM. Of course it's going to run like ass, especially in servers with more than 20 players who are all fighting in one concentrated spot. If you don't upgrade your PC, coming to the forums to complain is a little redundant. You said it yourself: The game is CPU dependent. Gee, I wonder how the problem could be solved? Getting a computer with a better CPU, perhaps? It only makes sense. It's not what he wants to hear, but it's the truth. I just don't sugarcoat it.
THA-TODD-BEAST
Point is that even with decent cpu's game still runs bad . Or are you saying that i need nowaday 4 core cpu to play TF2 (2007 game) .
I can play most modern games on medium graphic setting , but not TF2 .
And as i said , there is indeed a way to fix it . so how is getting new pc THE only and THE best way ?
I was playing the game and getting top 5 in every server with a 2-year old PC, using an AMD X2 4800+ processor. My video card was better than the OP's, though, and I'm sure that helped things. You don't need a 4-core CPU to play the game, but it certainly doesn't hurt. That's what I'm using now, and paired up with 8 gigs of RAM and an ATI 5870, I blow the game out of the water with everything cranked up. I have no frame rate drops below 40-50, so the complaints of these drops even on super computers leads me to believe the users are to blame. Either that or they've got major problems with their hardware. Overheating? Bad drivers? Who knows. They're to blame, that's all I know for sure.
If there is a way to fix it, why hasn't the OP "fixed" it yet? You can't "fix" things if your hardware barely scrapes past the requirements for maintaining a good frame rate. You can lower the settings all you want, tinker around with the config files, and do whatever you feel is necessary, but if the game still runs poorly afterwards and no user mods work, you're out of luck and need to invest in better PC components or a new PC all-together. If that's not a satisfactory answer for you or the OP, I suggest you both move over to console gaming so that you won't have to blame the developers for your problems and can play games on the same system years after its release without worrying about such magical "fixes" to make the games playable again.
Your "upgrade your PC" argument is pathetic; you simply don't understand the nature of this fps problem, I'm afraid. Get this into your head. Firstly, people with elite hardware are experiencing this problem. Secondly, these users can run far more demanding games FINE. Thirdly, many have tried using a variety of different drivers, to no avail. Still think they have "major problems/overheating/bad drivers"? No. This speaks volumes of just how bad this TF2 "bug" is. Please do your research before throwing around the "time for an upgrade" suggestion.
Obviously, as you have said, your performance in TF2 is fine; others, however, have seemingly become 'random' victims of this "bug." Nobody has of yet discovered the cause.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Ohh, so you're saying that with the recent update your computer's cpu was unable to handle the particles and such that have been added in to make the game look nicer? Nope, not hard to understand at allRemmib
You would have to be a complete idiot to think that 'particles' which I never even saw make any difference (don't know when they went into effect) would bring my FPS down from a steady 60-70FPS at all high settings to dropping down to 15-30FPS at low settings.
Or... ? Am I supposed to be afraid and, like, stop posting because you want me to?
What are your computer specs? I'm assuming you're yet another user trying to play the game with inadequate hardware. If you don't have a good CPU and video card and at least more than 2 gigs of RAM, I wouldn't expect to get great performance from this game even at lower video settings.
THA-TODD-BEAST
It's because you simply don't understand what you are talking about.
Read my above statement to Nibroc.
E8400 @ 3Ghz
8800 GTX
4 gigs of ram
Few months back TF2 ran butter-smooth, now it doesn't because Valve screwed something up. Many other users are experiencing this same problem.
In before you say I need to update my drivers, or I need to defrag, or I need to verify the cache, or I should do a clean install of my OS...it's been done, no fix.
Finally, thankyou. Somebody who is fully understandable of this issue.
[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]No, you're wrong. Many people have this problem. I am one of them. fix your prolem? 99% of us dont have it clearly. Its one of the most played games on steam. Your in the minority thus you will probably never get it fixed unless you do so yourself.... seems like an obvious conclusion to me, especially since you STILL havent posted specs on your pc -_- BTW before you rage on about how your PC is good enough thats not my point. for 2 years I had a 680i SLI board that had incompatibility problems with the Crucial ballistixs ram I had installed that did not allow me to play any game through Steam due to a hardware missmatch incompatibility.... so please instead of just whining on a PC board that clearly doesnt care, post your specs and at least give us a 1/10000 shot of addressing your gripe, otherwise it might as well not even be posted. BTW Once I replaced my mobo with an intel P45 board it has worked perfectly. I build liquidcooled OCd rigs so i DO know what im doing, im just on wits end with people complaining about this and that not working on the PC forum and then not providing any info on their current rig. its beyond annoying.... and Ive almost given up helping period. If youd dont make the effort to inform us yourself dont expect us to give a care.... i almost wish my post was a sticky since its all I see these days.I play TF2 every day and it never goes below 60FPS ever, rarely under 80FPS.
This is a problem with your computer, not Valve or TF2.
The game runs fantastic for me and tons of my friends.
Reformat, do a defrag, try differnt drivers,etc...
TF2 runs perfect for me and is one of hte best optimized games around.
Remmib
I can only say what my friend have told me...
The game run fine without problems at 50-60 fps (depending on the nr of people on the screen)
Honestly most game related problems that a few people have can be solved if they bother to try.
Formatting the PC (not for TF 2), installing a fresh copy of W7 ultimate, latest drivers, DX, everything else that's needed, new TF 2 download, and runs as bad as it did before doing all that? the GPU is in perfect condition and sorry but if I was able to play this game at 16xAA and 16xAF maxed out at 1680x1050 with a constant 60 frames (when it was extremely intense it went down to 35-40 for a few seconds), I'd expect to play it close to that after an engine update, not 1440x900, no AA and triple buffering, to keep a constant 50 frames >_>, Valve blew it with this one, I don't know what happens for people that have this problem but it's certainly on Valve's side.I can only say what my friend have told me...
The game run fine without problems at 50-60 fps (depending on the nr of people on the screen)
Honestly most game related problems that a few people have can be solved if they bother to try.
KalDurenik
[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]
[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]
Your computer specs are terrible, and this game features tons of particle effects (explosions, ricochets, beams, projectiles) and things happening on-screen at once. Upgrade your PC, or just don't play the game at all. Those are really your two sensible choices here.
THA-TODD-BEAST
At least you could TRY to help , isntead of spaming useless stuff.
Because the truth is useless, right?
No, because it's not the truth at all. I had a laptop with these specs:
Windows Vista 3dBit
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0GHZ
3GB RAM
Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family
Now tell me, what coudl you play on that? Left 4 Dead on lowest settings with 9FPS? COD4 on Lowest settings with 12? After working on my lappy, figuring things out, I managed to practically max out Left 4 Dead and play COD4 on medium settings. If you can't help, don't say anything.
Don't give up TC, I wish I could help you, but unfortunately I can't :(
Good Luck!
fix your prolem? 99% of us dont have it clearly. Its one of the most played games on steam. Your in the minority thus you will probably never get it fixed unless you do so yourself.... seems like an obvious conclusion to me, especially since you STILL havent posted specs on your pc -_- BTW before you rage on about how your PC is good enough thats not my point. for 2 years I had a 680i SLI board that had incompatibility problems with the Crucial ballistixs ram I had installed that did not allow me to play any game through Steam due to a hardware missmatch incompatibility.... so please instead of just whining on a PC board that clearly doesnt care, post your specs and at least give us a 1/10000 shot of addressing your gripe, otherwise it might as well not even be posted. BTW Once I replaced my mobo with an intel P45 board it has worked perfectly. I build liquidcooled OCd rigs so i DO know what im doing, im just on wits end with people complaining about this and that not working on the PC forum and then not providing any info on their current rig. its beyond annoying.... and Ive almost given up helping period. If youd dont make the effort to inform us yourself dont expect us to give a care.... i almost wish my post was a sticky since its all I see these days.ColdfireTrilogy
If I recall I did post my specs somewhere in this thread.
E8400 @ 3Ghz
BFG 8800GTX OC
4gigs of DDR2
Formatting the PC (not for TF 2), installing a fresh copy of W7 ultimate, latest drivers, DX, everything else that's needed, new TF 2 download, and runs as bad as it did before doing all that? the GPU is in perfect condition and sorry but if I was able to play this game at 16xAA and 16xAF maxed out at 1680x1050 with a constant 60 frames (when it was extremely intense it went down to 35-40 for a few seconds), I'd expect to play it close to that after an engine update, not 1440x900, no AA and triple buffering, to keep a constant 50 frames >_>, Valve blew it with this one, I don't know what happens for people that have this problem but it's certainly on Valve's side.DanielDust
Yep, I did all of those things you mentioned as well. Still didn't fix it for me either.
They did something to every Valve game in a relatively recent update for TF 2, the last update for Portal, the new update for CS:S, no idea about L4D since I didn't install it. Before those patches I could run the games at over 60 frames (TF 2 sometimes dropped to 40-45 when it was extremely intensive) maxed out at 1680x1050 with the maximum available AA and AF, now after those patches I am lucky if I can keep a constant 60 frames with no AA and just 2xAF which shouldn't have much of an impact on the game, yet at 4x it runs pretty bad. Yes yes yes you all love Valve, but it's time you let it go, Valve is to blame here, you can't tell me that my perfectly working average 8800GT that used to smoke these games and Q6600 suddenly have problems running only these highly "optimized" Valve games.DanielDustThought I was the only one having this issue as well. I use to be able to play at 16xq with all settings maxed during launch for TF2 with 60 frames, sometimes lowering to 40s when then servers were incredibly intensive with 32 players. Now I'm finding myself using no AA at all with lower settings while still having lesser performance compared to launch for TF2.
Edit: I have also been experiencing bsod's and crashing to the desktop.
Try this fix .. i had the same issue but it worked for me .. hope it will for u .. =) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1356735DeathslizerGoing to try this. Will post an update.
Update: Unfortunately, this didn't work for me.
Thought I was the only one having this issue as well. I use to be able to play at 16xq with all settings maxed during launch for TF2 with 60 frames, sometimes lowering to 40s when then servers were incredibly intensive with 32 players. Now I'm finding myself using no AA at all with lower settings while still having lesser performance compared to launch for TF2.[QUOTE="DanielDust"]They did something to every Valve game in a relatively recent update for TF 2, the last update for Portal, the new update for CS:S, no idea about L4D since I didn't install it. Before those patches I could run the games at over 60 frames (TF 2 sometimes dropped to 40-45 when it was extremely intensive) maxed out at 1680x1050 with the maximum available AA and AF, now after those patches I am lucky if I can keep a constant 60 frames with no AA and just 2xAF which shouldn't have much of an impact on the game, yet at 4x it runs pretty bad. Yes yes yes you all love Valve, but it's time you let it go, Valve is to blame here, you can't tell me that my perfectly working average 8800GT that used to smoke these games and Q6600 suddenly have problems running only these highly "optimized" Valve games.OoSuperMarioO
Edit: I have also been experiencing bsod's and crashing to the desktop.
BSOD wont be from the game, I would check all hardware. PSU failure and Ram failure caused the BSOD's for the last two computers I've fixed. Could also be dust or overheating. The crashign to desktop is obviously game or driver related but the BSOD should not happen from TF2.
BSOD directly from a game is very rare.
Yeah, is poorly optimized, every update puts a little more on the resource. They are giving free updates after all, so their not all too obligated or in a hurry to give a performance fix if at all. I prefer to run smooth so I have to turn AA down, turning on does not make a lot of sense anyways the game is phong style.
30-100 fps @ 1680x1050 on 30+ server
q6700 + 8800gts
Thought I was the only one having this issue as well. I use to be able to play at 16xq with all settings maxed during launch for TF2 with 60 frames, sometimes lowering to 40s when then servers were incredibly intensive with 32 players. Now I'm finding myself using no AA at all with lower settings while still having lesser performance compared to launch for TF2.[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]
[QUOTE="DanielDust"]They did something to every Valve game in a relatively recent update for TF 2, the last update for Portal, the new update for CS:S, no idea about L4D since I didn't install it. Before those patches I could run the games at over 60 frames (TF 2 sometimes dropped to 40-45 when it was extremely intensive) maxed out at 1680x1050 with the maximum available AA and AF, now after those patches I am lucky if I can keep a constant 60 frames with no AA and just 2xAF which shouldn't have much of an impact on the game, yet at 4x it runs pretty bad. Yes yes yes you all love Valve, but it's time you let it go, Valve is to blame here, you can't tell me that my perfectly working average 8800GT that used to smoke these games and Q6600 suddenly have problems running only these highly "optimized" Valve games.kozzy1234
Edit: I have also been experiencing bsod's and crashing to the desktop.
BSOD wont be from the game, I would check all hardware. PSU failure and Ram failure caused the BSOD's for the last two computers I've fixed. Could also be dust or overheating. The crashign to desktop is obviously game or driver related but the BSOD should not happen from TF2.
BSOD directly from a game is very rare.
Spy was sappin my hardware. Appreciate the assist bud.I'm currently working on a second fix. Will post an update.
Update: The suggestion to uninstall "my network adaptor from the Device Manager and then reinstalled the newest Driver for my Gigabyte motherboard" was unsuccessful for me.
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