To me is the awareness of the Chernobyl disaster that is embedded inside it. The fact that they recreated this area is by far the most important thing. I'm in my 30s so I certainly remember when it happened. But I was a kid then and didn't really care much about big news headlines. Plus the former USSR hid / covered up as much information about what happened as possible. It's only in the last 10 years or so has much of the truth come out.
I honestly am a lot more interested in Chernobyl than I am the game. I already bought two books today about it and have just been fascinated by the photos you can see at site like this - http://englishrussia.com/?p=293
The haunting loneliness of those photos just moves me in a way I have never really felt. I am even doing some drawings from some of these photos. It leaves me not wanting to play stalker at all because what happened and what is left is so much bigger than any video game could be.
I only hope more people decide to educate themselves on what happened and why, and if a game like this can cause people like me to do that, well then it has done more than any video game has ever done! That is so much more important than any argument about game play or graphics.
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Thanks for the pics, but is the game any good?? And is that you in your avatar?X360PS3AMD05
There are a million other threads to talk about if the game is good or not. I really meant this thread to be about the real Chernobyl. And no thats not me, that is Steve Coogan as "Alan Partridge". He is a British comedian that is one of the funniest guys in the world. Goggle or IMDB Alan Partridge and Saxondale!
its kinda sad that it takes a game to get a lot of american peoples eyes opened and see that there is far more in the world then what happens in our backyard. I am not saying here in Canada its really any better, but at least we tried to cover that subject in high school :P
Yeah, tragity. But dont forget, that is the soviet union. To us Westerners, they are evil, to them, nope. It is just their way of living, and their way of doing things. Is it right? Define right..... No place in this world, we have the freedom we want, and the things we want. Many starve, many die from natural disasters, genocide happens. It is life, and us as humans, must deal with it.
It is a past, happened in the 80's, and now we are finally having people look at it? It wasn't so secrative, a lot of people knew about it. Words spread fast, its just the blind that do not listen.
Are the books good?
its kinda sad that it takes a game to get a lot of american peoples eyes opened and see that there is far more in the world then what happens in our backyard. I am not saying here in Canada its really any better, but at least we tried to cover that subject in high school :P
Yeah, tragity. But dont forget, that is the soviet union. To us Westerners, they are evil, to them, nope. It is just their way of living, and their way of doing things. Is it right? Define right..... No place in this world, we have the freedom we want, and the things we want. Many starve, many die from natural disasters, genocide happens. It is life, and us as humans, must deal with it.
It is a past, happened in the 80's, and now we are finally having people look at it? It wasn't so secrative, a lot of people knew about it. Words spread fast, its just the blind that do not listen.
Are the books good?
sepheronX
Well you seem to be trying to turn this into a shot at America. I think most people and most education systems, unless it is directly appropriate to the subject of the class did not teach or tell much about Chernobyl. After all only 56 deaths can be directly attributed to the Chernobyl disaster. So to try to point blame at anyone for not covering the topic over other areas like Africa, etc is absurd.
I'm an American and my eyes are wide open I have been fortunate enough to have been able to travel all over! I have been to Canada (I have been more places in Canada than most Canadians!), Mexico, and to England, Hong Kong, Singapore, S. Korea, and Japan. Your opening statement is ridicules! It didn't take a game to open the eyes of "Americans"! But it might take a game to open the eyes of the world!
If you were some how a very educated expert on Chernobyl before this game came out well the good for you. But for the vast majority of the world it is a topic most don't discus or teach. Even people in Russia are very ignorant to the truth.
of course, and in the end, every country has its blind spot. What makes 1 blind? it isnt the fact they are told a lie, its that they never bother to listen or learn of the truth.
I am sorry if i generalized everybody, and I can tell you are a smart fellow, i am just saying that it isnt hard once you look. The answers are in front of us, but we tend to ignore them.
But is the book good?
PS: 1 should see that America is indeed a known blind country, why do you think Canada and other countrys prove that with our humor in media? Are we supposed to believe everything we hear? of course not, but it is at least a good step into learning something. Also, if it wasnt the game that opened the eyes, then why is it all of a sudden that when this game came out, that you decided to talk about it? or others? It is just plain truth, and you should not be blinded by your own words.
its kinda sad that it takes a game to get a lot of american peoples eyes opened and see that there is far more in the world then what happens in our backyard. I am not saying here in Canada its really any better, but at least we tried to cover that subject in high school :P
Yeah, tragity. But dont forget, that is the soviet union. To us Westerners, they are evil, to them, nope. It is just their way of living, and their way of doing things. Is it right? Define right..... No place in this world, we have the freedom we want, and the things we want. Many starve, many die from natural disasters, genocide happens. It is life, and us as humans, must deal with it.
It is a past, happened in the 80's, and now we are finally having people look at it? It wasn't so secrative, a lot of people knew about it. Words spread fast, its just the blind that do not listen.
Are the books good?
sepheronX
it's really not an american (or canadian) thing - it's a generational thing.
why do you assume americans don't learn about the incident in their history classes or imply that they just don't care?
it's thee nuclear tragedy that everyone knows about, but you have to realize it means more to people who happened to have been alive at some point in the 80s than those who were born in the 90s. we're not just realizing now - it's just no longer fresh in people's minds. the younger generation of today may not be fully aware of the disaster or any of the repercussions, and even if it is 'just a game' that brings about awareness, at least something is perpetuating that awareness before it fades into obscurity.
i'd imagine many young people all over the world just don't feel anything when they hear 'chernobyl' simply because it's nothing more than an excerpt from a history book to them. but that's ok, it's really not their fault. if just a few of those young people take the initiative to learn more about the incident or spread the knowledge to others, that's great. and if it takes a pc game to do that, that's great too.
of course, and in the end, every country has its blind spot. What makes 1 blind? it isnt the fact they are told a lie, its that they never bother to listen or learn of the truth.
I am sorry if i generalized everybody, and I can tell you are a smart fellow, i am just saying that it isnt hard once you look. The answers are in front of us, but we tend to ignore them.
But is the book good?
PS: This is a freedom of speech, saying 1 sentence is redeculous, is stupid. 1 should see that America is indeed a known blind country, why do you think Canada and other countrys prove that with our humor in media? Are we supposed to believe everything we hear? of course not, but it is at least a good step into learning something. Also, if it wasnt the game that opened the eyes, then why is it all of a sudden that when this game came out, that you decided to talk about it? or others? It is just plain truth, and you should not be blinded by your own words.
sepheronX
Yeah again you seem to be missing the point. The whole world is blind to Chernobyl. But you had to link your statement to "America". So you are trying to completely change the subject! I'm sure America is no more blind to this subject (and in fact much less blind because of our free press) than any other countries.
And you have proved what with what? That America is blind with humor? How so? You think movies like Borat or the American episode of Top Gear show any truth about America at all? Those were had picked to show the worst of the worst that could be done anywhere. It would be so easy to make a movie like that about Canada its not even funny. And wouldn't be funny because people don't care about Canada.
And before you form opinions about me you should know I'm a hard core democrat that is very anti Bush and anti Iraq War. I voted against Bush 3 times both elections and I even registered as a republican just so I could vote against him in the primaries in 2000!
And how would I know how these books are if I just bought them today? I have not even cracked the covers yet!
its probably because I have plenty of friends from America, whom are now adults, who were never told of the incodents that happened outside of America. Heck, he told me they never even spoke of the Battle of 1812.
I am not saying just americans, if you notice in my post I said, anyone can be blind. And there are more blind people in the world, not just america.
Well, crack em open and tell us! And no, not the world is blind of this subject, heck, I knew of the Chernobyl disaster and how I was told by my family it was an evil Soviet thing. Well, probably since my Family is from Leiv, it is pretty clear to me they would know more then the average person, as they still have family living in Leiv (kinda far, yeah, but at this time, Ukraine was kinda first united in forever).
Why do I point at America? because you say 1 thing, and really, it is something else. Freedom in America? Last time I checked, drafing people to war was not free. Heck, there isnt the freedom they claim here in Canada either. So we are just as much at fault.
First, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Someone made a similiar post about this a week ago and showed some more pictures, and it really is quite eery and sad. The bravery those first response workers showed is simply amazing: they knowingly risked their lives to help stop a hazard from worsening, knowing they would suffer for weeks, months, and years due to the radiation. Reminds me a lot of the fireman, policemen, and other volunteers that were at ground zero on 9/11; they are currently suffering a lot of health complications (black lung, emphazema, cancer, etc). There was also a show on HBO a month or two back showing the "children of chernobyl" or something like that; really quite sad.
Now, if I may get off topic a bit, I am getting so damned tired of people generalizing the US. I really think it is turning into a social epidemic; that might sound a bit extreme but I feel the sheer amount of bias on the Gamespot boards, let alone the rest of the worldwide media, truly supports me. I never see one of my countrymen on these boards saying "Oh, damn commies, gimme a budweiser, America rules, you suck!" yet if you were a totally naive person and just got onto the boards and read some of these other posts from non-US citezans, you would think that is how we act!
Do you really think we sit here and still hate Russians? Think of them as the big bad USSR? That was a time for our (atleast my) fathers and grandfathers. The growing US population doesnt even think negative thoughts about Russia or communism/socialism any more; at the worst, we might get reminded of it in an older movie and then brush it off as fear mongering.
Sorry for getting off-track, but Ive taken a vow not to take any more of this American-hating bullsh** anymore. Its extremely offensive, and its really hard to hold back everything I am thinking everytime some Canadian who lives 5 miles north of the US border or some English person who has spent a week in the US talk about us like they have us pegged.
PS didnt a Ukranian developer make STALKER? And someone said that its a shame it took a game to open American eyes to the catastrophy? Well, do you really think the developers wanted this game to be educational, or do you think they wanted to make profit off of it? Whats more shameful; profiting off a disaster or [potentially] being ignorant to something that happened in a foreign country?
its probably because I have plenty of friends from America, whom are now adults, who were never told of the incodents that happened outside of America. Heck, he told me they never even spoke of the Battle of 1812.
I am not saying just americans, if you notice in my post I said, anyone can be blind. And there are more blind people in the world, not just america.
Well, crack em open and tell us! And no, not the world is blind of this subject, heck, I knew of the Chernobyl disaster and how I was told by my family it was an evil Soviet thing. Well, probably since my Family is from Leiv, it is pretty clear to me they would know more then the average person, as they still have family living in Leiv (kinda far, yeah, but at this time, Ukraine was kinda first united in forever).
Why do I point at America? because you say 1 thing, and really, it is something else. Freedom in America? Last time I checked, drafing people to war was not free. Heck, there isnt the freedom they claim here in Canada either. So we are just as much at fault.
sepheronX
WTF?!? Do you even know when the last American draft was?!? Sure now you will goggle it to save face but obviously you don't! It was ended 1973. And most countries have had one form or another of conscription, including Canada in 1917 an 1944!! None of this has anything to do with my subject and you continue to try to twist this into a bash America thread because some guy decided to learn more about Chernobyl because of a video game!
But whatever you are probably just doing this because you saw the very funny shot I took at Canada in the "Next Total War" thread! LMAO
yeah, 70's, during Vietnam. I am aware, but all countrys had their week point.
Since it seems you are so hurt by others views of how you think AMerica is the greatest, then what if I say i say every country except for America? hope that helps your spoiled ways.
sepheronX
Your last statement does not even make sense. Every country except America... what? I don't even know what you are talking about anymore. You have turned a thread about Chernobyl into conversation about the American drat during Viet Nam?!?! Anyone else as lost as me??
Everyone that reads this can see you turned this tread into bash America thread for no reason. Again it's probably because you saw the shot I took at Canada in the Total War thread!
yeah, 70's, during Vietnam. I am aware, but all countrys had their week point.
Since it seems you are so hurt by others views of how you think AMerica is the greatest, then what if I say i say every country except for America? hope that helps your spoiled ways.
You claim your not blind, but yet, you still examin only the text that says "america" in it, and never bothered to read that I had claimed other countrys. And for your information, you said your 30? its kinda sad that a 30 year old is sitting at the PC on the internet talking about how great 1 country is over another, and how you are NOT blind. Also, I do not spend my whole time on here, so I am not sure what your talking about your thread on Canada. You can make fun of Canada all you want, your just missing the fact that your country is very much blind, if not, more blind then other countrys (why cannot you admit it? it seems there are a LOT of americans that admit it) and also, that Canada has hotter women, so I guess you would be at other countrys that have hotter women then the ones that are in your country. Lol.
sepheronX
There you go. You just lost all your credibility and made a personally insult / attack against me which violates the TOS. It didn't take much to draw you off sides. I never personally attacked you once and the point of this thread I started was not anything to do with this or attacking anyone.
You have been reported!
yeah, 70's, during Vietnam. I am aware, but all countrys had their week point.
Since it seems you are so hurt by others views of how you think AMerica is the greatest, then what if I say i say every country except for America? hope that helps your spoiled ways.
You claim your not blind, but yet, you still examin only the text that says "america" in it, and never bothered to read that I had claimed other countrys. And for your information, you said your 30? its kinda sad that a 30 year old is sitting at the PC on the internet talking about how great 1 country is over another, and how you are NOT blind. Also, I do not spend my whole time on here, so I am not sure what your talking about your thread on Canada. You can make fun of Canada all you want, your just missing the fact that your country is very much blind, if not, more blind then other countrys (why cannot you admit it? it seems there are a LOT of americans that admit it) and also, that Canada has hotter women, so I guess you would be at other countrys that have hotter women then the ones that are in your country. Lol.
sepheronX
Wow, where is this animosity coming from? We didnt say America was number one, and we didnt attack Canada either. And yes, I read all your posts in entirity and didnt see anything significant pointing the fingers at other countries; you only targeted the US.
And as for your other insults, it just goes to show how feeble your reasoning skills are. its like you say something bad about the US, then someone says something defending the US, and then you say..."well, atleast I dont smell funny! nya nya nya!"
And why the hell did you bring up the draft? How is that relevant? Oh, and speaking of draft, last time I checked a lot of European countries have a system where, if you dont go to college, you go into the military for two years. So you wanna talk about freedom and remain objective about it, you problably should bring in some other elements to your argument so you dont sound like a biased, american-hating ignoramus.
[QUOTE="sepheronX"]yeah, 70's, during Vietnam. I am aware, but all countrys had their week point.
Since it seems you are so hurt by others views of how you think AMerica is the greatest, then what if I say i say every country except for America? hope that helps your spoiled ways.
You claim your not blind, but yet, you still examin only the text that says "america" in it, and never bothered to read that I had claimed other countrys. And for your information, you said your 30? its kinda sad that a 30 year old is sitting at the PC on the internet talking about how great 1 country is over another, and how you are NOT blind. Also, I do not spend my whole time on here, so I am not sure what your talking about your thread on Canada. You can make fun of Canada all you want, your just missing the fact that your country is very much blind, if not, more blind then other countrys (why cannot you admit it? it seems there are a LOT of americans that admit it) and also, that Canada has hotter women, so I guess you would be at other countrys that have hotter women then the ones that are in your country. Lol.
sepheronX
there is a lot more to the comment. I am not aiming my insults at america, its the fact that you denied everything and saying American is teh greatest, and then ignore my post about other countrys, then it seems that you are indeed blind. Your 30 years old, and you seem to have the grasp at reading, and only you sound like the moron here, by not bothering to read onwards. I have already sent this to many people on my messenger, both from your country and my own, and all they can say is "well, it really doesn't matter what he thinks, since it seems he is a blind oaf, then let him be that way" and I will, and end this converstation saying this:
In this world (Key note i said world) that there will be blind people, and people insist that nothing is greater then their own. But must look onward and see that there is light in other places then their own. Learn the world and its greatness/mistakes, to put that upon yourself, to live life the way you want to.
Since your 30, and you are getting close to your mid life crysis, I suggest going out and doing something productive instead of fighting with a 17 year old.
Thanks for the further TOS violations! Reported again! Bye bye!
There's so many important events and things in the world to read about that you'd be doing nothing else but reading if you wanted to know about all of them. Chernobyl isn't important to people so they don't want to know about it. Why would they? Theres lots of better things to do with their time, like playing awesome games! Or other hobbies :). Before I used laugh at Americans who knew nothing about Europe, but then I realised I know even less about America. Much less the world. I used to laugh to them how they didn't know where Germany or France is. But I don't remember every damn state in USA. How can I laugh at them? I only remember Washington on the top of my head, and I'm not even sure its a state.Drathyl
That is the most genuine, honest, and oddly heartwarming thing I have read on this website for a while. Someone who was a generic culture basher, but then had the balls to admit to his or herself the fallacies of their reasoning.
And so true, too. You cant really blame a member of one culture for not knowing a lot about another culture. You gotta look out for numero uno after all, and then learn other stuff in your free time. Either that or become a history major :roll:
[QUOTE="Drathyl"]There's so many important events and things in the world to read about that you'd be doing nothing else but reading if you wanted to know about all of them. Chernobyl isn't important to people so they don't want to know about it. Why would they? Theres lots of better things to do with their time, like playing awesome games! Or other hobbies :). Before I used laugh at Americans who knew nothing about Europe, but then I realised I know even less about America. Much less the world. I used to laugh to them how they didn't know where Germany or France is. But I don't remember every damn state in USA. How can I laugh at them? I only remember Washington on the top of my head, and I'm not even sure its a state.mrbojangles25
That is the most genuine, honest, and oddly heartwarming thing I have read on this website for a while. Someone who was a generic culture basher, but then had the balls to admit to his or herself the fallacies of their reasoning.
And so true, too. You cant really blame a member of one culture for not knowing a lot about another culture. You gotta look out for numero uno after all, and then learn other stuff in your free time. Either that or become a history major :roll:
Yeah this thread is about people wanting to learn more about something they admittedly have been under exposed to, Chernobyl. Nothing else. Any one that would twist that into a personal or national attack just does not get it.
Back on topic! We almost had our own Chernobyl, Three Mile Island anyone?
You, the topic creator, have inspired this 21 year old to go learn more about Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. I'll be heading to Barnes & Noble tomorrow to see what books I can find.
ADD: I read somewhere online that a few people still live in or close to Chernobyl but they live in oddly built radiation resistant houses. Have you seen a picture of one of these? I would really like to know what they look like.
Back on topic! We almost had our own Chernobyl, Three Mile Island anyone?
You, the topic creator, have inspired this 21 year old to go learn more about Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. I'll be heading to Barnes & Noble tomorrow to see what books I can find.
ADD: I read somewhere online that a few people still live in or close to Chernobyl but they live in oddly built radiation resistant houses. Have you seen a picture of one of these? I would really like to know what they look like.
cametall
Thanks for the nice reply on topic!
Basersx, you claim this topic is about people who want to know more about Chernobyl and yet you seem to know nothing! I canvass anyone who reads this - just ask google!
56 deaths!??!?!?! Only?!?!?! You are crazy! I live close enough to Chernobyl and I was three years old when the plant exploded. Don't you dare tell me how many deaths can be contributed to the plant. Yes, there were 56 scientists on site who all died from the explosion but then what? The land there is now poisoned for hundreds of years. What about all the firefighters who were putting out the flames. Not a single one lived. Everyone in Pripyat (yes, a whole town) either died from radiation poisoning or became blind or are still dying from cancer. People here are diagnosed with cancer much more often than anywhere else in the world.
56 deaths... Thousands, my American friend! And they are still dying and will be dying because cancer and other genetic anomalies are already in the genes of the people from that region.
Good post Baserx! I love the arguement and how it culminated with I am 17 you are 30 putdown. To be honest when I was 17 I didn't care about much and I thought I had all the answeres. Each successive generation will be the same. If anything, this generation is so absorbed by the internet, Ipods, cell phones, PDA's, ect, they are losing touch with reality. I teach 4th grade and am 34 and I see it every day. If you want to educate yourself, read the Pirce of Privlege and you will have an eye opening experience about what is going through the head of the average 17 year old. Hopefully one day they will grow up, get families and be able to speak intelligently on a subject and inform and educate the next generation. Perhaps game forums are a tough place to sell intelligent conversations.Cabal23
Sorry it called Price of Privelege by Madeline Levine
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