The Elder Scrolls Online, what does everyone think?

MMOs can still have monthly fees. The monthly fee wasn't what killed SWTOR, the fact they never justified the fee was the issue. The game had enough content for 1-2 months. When you pay a monthly fee, you expect a constant flow of content updates that keep you busy. Look at Rift. Every 2-3 month the game has a big patch that adds a lot of stuff. There are constant world events and pretty much a constant stream of changes and little content updates. Now they have an expansion that nearly tripled the content.

People were happy to buy SWTOR knowing it was going to cost them monthly. The game just was not the greatest and once you beat your character's story, there wasn't much to do.

Guild Wars 2 suffers from that too (in my opinion) but since I'm not paying each month I can hardly knock that. I've gotten nearly 100 hours out of the game (which is quite a bit for me).

It will definitely be more difficult to sell a subscription based MMO, but it's not impossible.

The real thing you have to ask is, will this new combat system work and not turn into some dumb grindfest. The combat in the Elder Scrolls series has never been the deepest, and they are trying to model the MMO's combat off of the game. Their lasest reveals show some promising content. It looks like Guild Wars 2 in a lot of ways, a lot of good ways, but with the radical combat system they are proposing, will it be any good? Only time will tell.

Wasdie

Yeah, the problem is not subscription fees. The problem is in the games themselves. Afterall, RIFT is quite successful, is it not?

Of course, it is more than just lack of content that killed SWTOR. SWTOR was also mechanically broken and poorly executed. It simply put was a bad game. I couldnt even force myself to get much farther than level 30.

Guild Wars 2's biggest issue imo is how dumbed down it is compared to its predecessor. It has nifty ideas, but I feel it fell flat on its face when it came to execution, as a result we see all this zerging.

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Heck yeah....everything should be measured by a MMO that has nothing to do at max level.

I'm sorry....I had to say that. It's just the truth.....imo it's not woth calling it an MMO is there isn't any endgame. But hey that's just my opinion.

Elann2008

That's false. The whole game isn't endgame. There really isn't an endgame in GW2. They say that, and people say that just to come up with an excuse. Endgame by definition of MMO's has always been what it was and is, like in World of Warcraft. WoW has endgame. GW2 simply doesn't and never had it in GW1 either. This is Arena.net we're talking about. Every MMO has a grind. I played over 400 hours in GW2, and a good portion of that felt like a grind.

For instance, earning tokens for VANITY gear from the dungeons at lvl 80. They are pointless for anything but aesthetics which is crap and felt like a terrible grind and wasted time.

After watching the lastest Gameplay video with developer commentary, I'm really looking forward to it. As long as it uses the same model as Guild Wars (pay for the game once, no fee's) then i'm all over it.

This is the video that changed my view on the game:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o

HyperWarlock

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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] guild wars 2 is my new MMO yardstick.Kh1ndjal

Heck yeah....everything should be measured by a MMO that has nothing to do at max level.

I'm sorry....I had to say that. It's just the truth.....imo it's not woth calling it an MMO is there isn't any endgame. But hey that's just my opinion.

I dont expect to have my mind blown at max level but to me pvp, repeating old dynamic quest and a handful of dungeons is not my idea of things to do at max lvl. Besides the dynamic events feel completely artificial and staged so I dont find grinding crappy dynamic events to be all that much fun.

Most people I have talked to say they quit playing GW2 within a few weeks.I wish I could have even gotten that much fun out of it.

SWTOR > GW2....it's true...it's almost science.

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"][QUOTE="BSC14"]

Heck yeah....everything should be measured by a MMO that has nothing to do at max level.

I'm sorry....I had to say that. It's just the truth.....imo it's not woth calling it an MMO is there isn't any endgame. But hey that's just my opinion.

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I dont expect to have my mind blown at max level but to me pvp, repeating old dynamic quest and a handful of dungeons is not my idea of things to do at max lvl. Besides the dynamic events feel completely artificial and staged so I dont find grinding crappy dynamic events to be all that much fun.

Most people I have talked to say they quit playing GW2 within a few weeks.I wish I could have even gotten that much fun out of it.

SWTOR > GW2....it's true...it's almost science.

I agree, while SWTOR is far from perfect, I had a lot more fun with it than GW2. I played GW2 for a total of 6 hours before giving up, I got about 150 hours out of SWTOR.

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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] the whole game is the endgame. it's been said countless times, pvp, wvw, questing, dungeons, and just about everything else except perhaps fractals of the mists can be done without reaching max level. why do you want your mind to be blown at "MAX LEVEL"? what if you could do all those things at *gasp* not max level? i've played 200+ hours and i'm still seeing new things in the game. cool things like giant monster events. if you want a grind, just say so.Kh1ndjal

That's false. The whole game isn't endgame. There really isn't an endgame in GW2. They say that, and people say that just to come up with an excuse. Endgame by definition of MMO's has always been what it was and is, like in World of Warcraft. WoW has endgame. GW2 simply doesn't and never had it in GW1 either. This is Arena.net we're talking about. Every MMO has a grind. I played over 400 hours in GW2, and a good portion of that felt like a grind.

For instance, earning tokens for VANITY gear from the dungeons at lvl 80. They are pointless for anything but aesthetics which is crap and felt like a terrible grind and wasted time.

SWTOR > GW2....it's true...it's almost science.

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SWTOR > GW2....it's true...it's almost science.

Kh1ndjal

I haven't played Guild Wars 2 so I can't speak for it. I have played Guild Wars, City of Heroes, WoW, Star Wars Galaxies and ToR. Out of the mix the most boring is WoW in my opinion. Starting playing it again about 6 months ago and I stopped because of how dated it was. Star Wars Galaxies still goes down as one of my favorites because probably the most unique MMO I have played (Pre CU) and even though ToR wasn't what I expected it is still a great game and great for any fan of the previous games.

The thing that will set ESO apart of other MMOs of its genre (WoW, Guild Wars 2) is the real time combat. Being a 3rd person MMO with real time combat like that in Skyrim we could see a pretty awesome game. I love MMOs, but I usually hate the combat :(

I probably won't play it, I try to avoid MMOs, but it looks great, and is starting to feel like like the Elder Scrolls universe, which is I think the most important aspect the devs need to nail in order for this to be successful.

I was so bad trolling tESO , and over hypering GW2. But now i am in tottal missunderstanding. After finding GW2 very disappointing. I am now hooked to ESO got same old feeling for game of a generation same as i had at 2004 when WoW realised.

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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] guild wars 2 is my new MMO yardstick.HyperWarlock

Heck yeah....everything should be measured by a MMO that has nothing to do at max level.

I'm sorry....I had to say that. It's just the truth.....imo it's not woth calling it an MMO is there isn't any endgame. But hey that's just my opinion.

Yeah, I found Guild Wars 2 to be really boring.

You must remember how bad i was trolling this forum and hyping GW2 aroud, i am pritty much disappointed how bad that game is at end lvl game content for hard core players and how much it really lacks of RPG.

Another MMO to bite the dust imo.

I don't see it succeeding.

MMO's are very very difficult to maintain and the chance of it declining after the first year or even six months is large.

After watching the lastest Gameplay video with developer commentary, I'm really looking forward to it. As long as it uses the same model as Guild Wars (pay for the game once, no fee's) then i'm all over it.

This is the video that changed my view on the game:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o

HyperWarlock

I came here to say that it looked quite underwhelming, and I didn't like the idea.

Watched that video.

I'm sold, as long as it's not a subscription model.

Have never, and will never, pay a monthly fee to play a game.

To be honest, for me TES games are singleplayer games. I'm not really interested in a TES online. I'll wait for TES VI and in the meantime I keep myself occupied with Skyrim.

Looks better than i thought it would. Ill wait for reviews before i buy it though.

I'm predicting a mild to moderate flop

I'm watching it but don't have any expectations. I probably won't touch it if it requires subscription. The best option I think is B2P like Guild Wars 2. It seems to have a lot of similar features to GW2, such as 3 pvp factions, questing through exploration, etc. Well, if it's far above WoW, maybe a subscription would be worth it. It just seems impossible for a new game to compete with WoW's polished state.

the game will be a success,at least initially,elder scrolls is a casual series now,tons of bro-gamers and girls play it,and thats what worries me,it will have a bad community.well as long at the game itself is good and had a steady flow of content i may try to overlook it.

I'm willing to give it a try once it comes out. However, it better be heavy on TES lore because that's a large aspect of the game I'm looking forward to. I'm not one to read up on every game's lore but TES lore is by far my favorite of any video game. If TESO manages to immerse enough in the universe instead of the traditional MMO design where it feels like a game, then perhaps this could be a real outstanding MMO.

I'm willing to give it a try once it comes out. However, it better be heavy on TES lore because that's a large aspect of the game I'm looking forward to. I'm not one to read up on every game's lore but TES lore is by far my favorite of any video game. If TESO manages to immerse enough in the universe instead of the traditional MMO design where it feels like a game, then perhaps this could be a real outstanding MMO.

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