The gaming industry needs more Valve's.

Im really impressed by Valve and how they stick with their games. Just look at CSS and TF2. CSS has been out for around 4 years and its still getting maintained very well (NOT DEBATING IF THE NEW PATCH IS GOOD FOR THE GAME OR NOT). And look at TF2, any other game you would be getting charged to pay for the DLC but they release huge amounts of content for free, years after release.

Too bad there isnt a whole lot of other companys like Valve that really dedicate themselves to their games, even after release.

I really can't agree more! They're really one of the best company's out there, just because they're so loyal to their games.

... and less activision's

Css actually has been out for over 5 years if you count the beta.ferret-gamer

I'm not a huge fan of Valve's games (not a big fps fan) but I am a fan of Valve in general. Unlike other companies they've skipped the whole nickle and dime the consumer to death with DLC and actually support their games for free. Imagine that.

Even though I'm not a big fan of the genre I still always buy their games. More companies should take note. Giving stuff away is sometimes a very wise business move.

Recently at E3 Gabe Newell announced Portal 2 for the PS3. When he came on stage instead of saying, "I'm Gabe Newell, the head honcho of Valve." He said

"Hi, I'm Gabe Newell. I work for Valve."

I remeber thinking that pretty much sums up Valve. Then again it's easy being humble when everyone already knows how great you are :D

Support: Yes. Development: NO.

Counter Strike Source released in 2004.

Powerful thread is powerful

Valve >>>>>>>>>>>

The only thing I don't like about Valve is that sometimes they seem like they have ADD when it comes to putting games out. When HL2 first came out they were all hyped about putting out an episode a year, which in part was delayed by their focus on Portal. Then a little game called Left 4 Dead took up alot of their attention. Now it's back to Portal and porting that to PS3. Overall though I am impressed with the quality of games that Valve produces and hope they continue to do so. I also like how dedicated they are to their fanbase and their commitment to gaming. I just wish they would focus some of that attention back on the franchise that got them started. :)

The only thing I don't like about Valve is that sometimes they seem like they have ADD when it comes to putting games out. When HL2 first came out they were all hyped about putting out an episode a year, which in part was delayed by their focus on Portal. Then a little game called Left 4 Dead took up alot of their attention. Now it's back to Portal and porting that to PS3. Overall though I am impressed with the quality of games that Valve produces and hope they continue to do so. I also like how dedicated they are to their fanbase and their commitment to gaming. I just wish they would focus some of that attention back on the franchise that got them started. :)

menes777

Sure.

CouunterStrike is my favorite game, but with the new CSS patch I keep waiting for the kill cam video after I die :roll:

IMHO I think that they are playing out the original source engine as far as it will go, while secretly working on the next iteration of it. Then when the time is right spring it on us with Half Life 3 (and thus bypassing Episode 3). I agree though that they have a very high degree of quality in mind when they release games (but not as OCD like as Blizzard's). I just hope that their sudden partnership with the console market isn't going to become a more overreaching thing.

I have a great respect for Valve's values as a gaming company. Despite my dislike and disapointment with the current state of TF2, the way it's been managed(Including Valve's additional games) is still marvelous.

Valve sure is a great company. I really like how supportive of their games and fanbase they are.

I have a great respect for Valve's values as a gaming company. Despite my dislike and disapointment with the current state of TF2, the way it's been managed(Including Valve's additional games) is still marvelous.

OoSuperMarioO

What is wrong with TF2 now? Ive played it since the beta and its still jsut as fun if not better now. No other FPS has stated as fresh as TF2 has.

well to be fair, they screw everyone over except the pc gamers. lol. But pc gaming is so different, our games age so much better even if multiplat.

Recently at E3 Gabe Newell announced Portal 2 for the PS3. When he came on stage instead of saying, "I'm Gabe Newell, the head honcho of Valve." He said

"Hi, I'm Gabe Newell. I work for Valve."

I remeber thinking that pretty much sums up Valve. Then again it's easy being humble when everyone already knows how great you are :D

B45AK

oh you mean companies that dont listen to their fans....? promise games and take 20 years to deliver them....? continue to release new L4D games, patches for TF2, and portals.... but never release HL2 ep3? yeeeeaaaaaaaaah..... valve may make good games, but the industry does not need more companies like them....Roland123_basic

You been hitting the bottle tonight or are you just joking?

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]oh you mean companies that dont listen to their fans....? promise games and take 20 years to deliver them....? continue to release new L4D games, patches for TF2, and portals.... but never release HL2 ep3? yeeeeaaaaaaaaah..... valve may make good games, but the industry does not need more companies like them....Godofnerdyness

You been hitting the bottle tonight or are you just joking?

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

I have a great respect for Valve's values as a gaming company. Despite my dislike and disapointment with the current state of TF2, the way it's been managed(Including Valve's additional games) is still marvelous.

kozzy1234

What is wrong with TF2 now? Ive played it since the beta and its still jsut as fun if not better now. No other FPS has stated as fresh as TF2 has.

With the current changes, these are the issues that has impaired my enjoyment with TF2.

- The new weapon additions has made the game feel cumbersome. It created an uncertainty of knowing if I'm being killed by skill or the person simply having a better loadout setup.

Subset of issues because of this:

Swaping loadouts during a respawn on top of already swaping out clas$es to adjust to the current match - it is too tedious having to go through the current layout to swap weapons, at the very least, please allow me to keybind different setups.

Having to grind items to compete on a fair playing field has altered what the game was orignally about during the early launch of TF2; That atmosphere of playing is no longer evident resulting in a divergence of players. I'm not interested at all anymore to complete those achievements, especially in how over specific they are to unlock them. Being at the mercy of a savage decked out player is not fun at all.

Tf2 currently has extra layers of variables compared to the original TF2 that had much more simplicity, but ironically the original game was a funner and more enjoyable game to play without the padding of superfluous additions of a game that was already wonderfully balanced (I speak for myself here).

More Edits: I will probably try to keep playing TF2, but it will be golden to find servers that actually disable the new weapons.

Valve is one of the best developers ever.

The LAST thing the gaming industry needs is more first person shooters...StopThePresses

I think you're missing the point.

When the TC says the industry needs more Valves, I do believe he means more companies should continue to support their product with good, free updates, which in turn supports an awesome community.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]The LAST thing the gaming industry needs is more first person shooters...gandaf007

I think you're missing the point.

When the TC says the industry needs more Valves, I do believe he means more companies should continue to support their product with good, free updates, which in turn supports an awesome community.

... and less activision's

BDK-Soft

Valve is king imo and so is Steam. The fact that they remain a private company also shows their ability to withstand the corporate greedy pressure of wallstreet who would like nothing more than to have Valve public so they can gobble up all majority shares and turn it into Activision.

It's just that Valve takes very good care of their customers by rewarding them ( or us I should say ) with free content, content in which Valve believes that we deserve unlike other greedy fat cat companies who have no respect for customers and just pose a tag price on their 'extra content' *cough*Activision*cough*.

I agree with the TC, we need more Valve's especially for the PC gaming community since a lot of companies are beginning to become console-focused.

Valve has been my favorite developer since I first got Half-Life 2 and Steam. They really pay attention to what their customers have to say, and they maintain a great community for all of their games. And then there's Steam: a revolutionary milestone in PC Gamings history.

There couldn't be a better dev!

Not to mention that, with games like Portal, they function as some kind of a 'scout' for good, creative games from the independent scene. And that's something we could really use more among all the CoDs, MoHs and BFBCs.

I really need to support their products more.

I disagree; making extra content for free isn't anything special: Epic and some other companies did this for years. On the other hand, Valve delay the HL Episode 3 in order to ship Left 4 Dead 2 due the big sales of the first one in console.

Some of the other recent decisions from Valve seems very inconsistent, also: PS3 is a cr4p, PS3 is a cr4p, PS3 is a cr4p... wait!, PS3 with near 40 million users -which we didn't help to rise in any way- which uses a disc format not vulnerable to piracy is now great!

Looks like very hypocrite behavior to me. Anyway, I'm not interested in Valve's games, my last buy/play was in 2004 (H-L 2) and the game wasn't at the same level of H-L 1.

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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]The LAST thing the gaming industry needs is more first person shooters...StopThePresses

I think you're missing the point.

When the TC says the industry needs more Valves, I do believe he means more companies should continue to support their product with good, free updates, which in turn supports an awesome community.

Update: The Huntsman Bow is too satisfying and comical, especially when someone is bowed in the face or pinned to a wall. Hearing the dialogue feedback from being hit or killed by the bow always make me smile, lol... That is all.

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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

I have a great respect for Valve's values as a gaming company. Despite my dislike and disapointment with the current state of TF2, the way it's been managed(Including Valve's additional games) is still marvelous.

OoSuperMarioO

What is wrong with TF2 now? Ive played it since the beta and its still jsut as fun if not better now. No other FPS has stated as fresh as TF2 has.

With the current changes, these are the issues that has impaired my enjoyment with TF2.

- The new weapon additions has made the game feel cumbersome. It created an uncertainty of knowing if I'm being killed by skill or the person simply having a better loadout setup.

Subset of issues because of this:

Swaping loadouts during a respawn on top of already swaping out clas$es to adjust to the current match - it is too tedious having to go through the current layout to swap weapons, at the very least, please allow me to keybind different setups.

Having to grind items to compete on a fair playing field has altered what the game was orignally about during the early launch of TF2; That atmosphere of playing is no longer evident resulting in a divergence of players. I'm not interested at all anymore to complete those achievements, especially in how over specific they are to unlock them. Being at the mercy of a savage decked out player is not fun at all.

Tf2 currently has extra layers of variables compared to the original TF2 that had much more simplicity, but ironically the original game was a funner and more enjoyable game to play without the padding of superfluous additions of a game that was already wonderfully balanced (I speak for myself here).

More Edits: I will probably try to keep playing TF2, but it will be golden to find servers that actually disable the new weapons.

I honestly think that if you are skilled it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of unlocks or not. Most of the weapons and things you can earn have their advantages and disadvantages. So... really skill is still the key factor of the game... in fact I think a lot of the items you can unlock take more skill and more thought to use them then some of the originals.

I respect valve a lot, and their games are definitely the most polished and probably the best supported in the industry, yet i'm not a huge fan of them, largely because of the L4D games. HL2 was great, but they put out new games so infrequently it doesn't quite justify the quality of the end product.

I personally prefer Relic because each game they put out (seems to be around 1 a year, or at least one expansion) are always a big step forward from the one before it, not necessarily in quality but unendingly in originality, or innovation. They also provide top-notch support after a games release.

Relic is to RTS's as Valve is to FPS's.

Couldn't agree more. Valve sure is a great company. They only thing i dont like about them is that there games attract so many hackers/trolls/kids. With that said, the games are good with the exception of a few repetitive ones but the communities sure do suck hard core. The development is also a little lack luster. Their source engine works in weird ways. For example CSS and DOD:S when you shoot at your opponents its not quite dead on. So having good aim is not really like having "good aim". I don't see why they cant change their hit-boxes. They are SO fugged. But other than that the overall "experience" you get from a valve game is excellent and is always fun.

I'm personally a bigger fan of id software. There engines are so fine tuned and backed up by one of (if not) the best programmer in the business, John Carmack. Seriously i don't think any other programmer is as ambitious and so dedicated as this guy is. But like every one else they have their own flaws. With id software, there games as of now have been a little to repetitive but on the up side their communities are some of the most mature i have seen. It's just a shame they don't have a larger shelf of games.

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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

What is wrong with TF2 now? Ive played it since the beta and its still jsut as fun if not better now. No other FPS has stated as fresh as TF2 has.

Tomemogus

With the current changes, these are the issues that has impaired my enjoyment with TF2.

- The new weapon additions has made the game feel cumbersome. It created an uncertainty of knowing if I'm being killed by skill or the person simply having a better loadout setup.

Subset of issues because of this:

Swaping loadouts during a respawn on top of already swaping out clas$es to adjust to the current match - it is too tedious having to go through the current layout to swap weapons, at the very least, please allow me to keybind different setups.

Having to grind items to compete on a fair playing field has altered what the game was orignally about during the early launch of TF2; That atmosphere of playing is no longer evident resulting in a divergence of players. I'm not interested at all anymore to complete those achievements, especially in how over specific they are to unlock them. Being at the mercy of a savage decked out player is not fun at all.

Tf2 currently has extra layers of variables compared to the original TF2 that had much more simplicity, but ironically the original game was a funner and more enjoyable game to play without the padding of superfluous additions of a game that was already wonderfully balanced (I speak for myself here).

More Edits: I will probably try to keep playing TF2, but it will be golden to find servers that actually disable the new weapons.

I honestly think that if you are skilled it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of unlocks or not. Most of the weapons and things you can earn have their advantages and disadvantages. So... really skill is still the key factor of the game... in fact I think a lot of the items you can unlock take more skill and more thought to use them then some of the originals.

Wel... yes and no. I have been VERY disappointed with valve's choices regarding Left 4 Dead (and the unmentionable sequel), when it was understood that they would support it at the level they currently support team fortress 2.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

[QUOTE="gandaf007"]

I think you're missing the point.

When the TC says the industry needs more Valves, I do believe he means more companies should continue to support their product with good, free updates, which in turn supports an awesome community.

General_X

I guess we can thank Valve for paving the way to not be able to easily resell PC games though. Like I said, they aren't going stuff out of of charity.

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] I'm sure that if every game developer had a game store which they forcibly tied to all of their games, and which made them a ton of money, they would all be more inclined to do whatever they could to get people to keep firing up that store client. :lol:StopThePresses

Also wouldn't you think that getting players to play a 3 year old for even longer be a little counter intuitive to your assertion that the only reason they release these updates is to get people to buy new games from the Store? General_X

... and less activision's

BDK-Soft