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#1 Viper5121
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The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards. Diablo 3 basically lives on its predecessors' glory and has a nostalgia factor, and that's why it's so popular. When you really look at the game, there's really nothing special about it at all. It's a decent game with extremely simple combat, good sound effects, and a good loot system, but that's about it. If it was made by any other company and had any other name, it would be completely overlooked as just some mediocre hack-n-slash RPG with dated graphics. I wouldn't be surprised if people who aren't familiar with the series, have tried out Diablo 3 beta and were like "What the heck? Why is this so popular? I don't get it". I mean, come on, really people, do you REALLY consider Diablo 3 to be a state-of-the-art game with awesome combat and a deep story? Be honest.
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#2 Elann2008
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"The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards." Same could be said about almost any game of any genre. I think there are more people that want the same gameplay than people expecting your character to make you breakfast. What innovations were you looking for? I'm just curious.
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#3 GameFan1983
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I never had faith in D3 when it was announced as a 2D game(now in 2012, are you serious?) loved D1 and D2, but now games from their competitors has set the bar too high. Blizzard however, never seem to wake up from their fantasy land. I no longer care for any blizzard titles.... ever since they vastly disappointed me in SC2, I know they are incapable of accepting new concepts and making changes

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#4 FelipeInside
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You made the same thread this morning

http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29141217/dungeon-siege-3--highly-underrated-diablo-3--highly-overrated?page=0

Are you trying to troll...?

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#5 FelipeInside
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I never had faith in D3 when it was announced as a 2D game(now in 2012, are you serious?) loved D1 and D2, but now games from their competitors has set the bars too high. Blizzard however, never seem to wake up from their fantasy land. I no longer care for any blizzard titles.... ever since they vastly disappointed me in SC2, I know they are incapable of accepting new concepts, making changes

GameFan1983
1- Do you honestly think games are good or bad depending on if they are 2D or 3D? 2- What was wrong with SC2?
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#6 SKaREO
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I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.
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#7 FelipeInside
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I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO
Maybe, but let me play Devil's Advocate for a second here: Why change something when it's not broken and works really good?
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#8 SKaREO
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.FelipeInside
Maybe, but let me play Devil's Advocate for a second here: Why change something when it's not broken and works really good?

Why does the ocean have a tide? Because stagnation will lead to death and decay.
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#9 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO
Maybe, but let me play Devil's Advocate for a second here: Why change something when it's not broken and works really good?

Why does the ocean have a tide? Why does it rain? Be cause stagnation will lead to death and decay.

Okayyyyyy...I guess.... but u still didn't answer my question.

For example SC2. I've never been a big fan of RTS, I don't really like them. The only RTS I have liked were Warcraft, Starcraft and Dawn of War.

When SC2 came out, I started playing and immediately had fun cause it was just like SC1 with better graphics, new units, story etc etc.

You say Blizzard doesn't like change. The change from Warcraft 2 to 3 was pretty big. Then they took on the MMO scene.

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#10 biggest_loser
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I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO
Why do you think they're afraid of change? It comes back to the fanbase. They've changed a few small things in the game and people are already ready to start these stupid boycotts and what have you. First concept art for the game is released and someone starts a petition. They're basically holding Blizzard to ransom in some ways. Imagine the reception if Blizzard really turned D3 on its head.
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I never had faith in D3 when it was announced as a 2D game(now in 2012, are you serious?) loved D1 and D2, but now games from their competitors has set the bar too high. Blizzard however, never seem to wake up from their fantasy land. I no longer care for any blizzard titles.... ever since they vastly disappointed me in SC2, I know they are incapable of accepting new concepts and making changes

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Diablo 3 is 3D.
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#12 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Maybe, but let me play Devil's Advocate for a second here: Why change something when it's not broken and works really good?FelipeInside

Why does the ocean have a tide? Why does it rain? Be cause stagnation will lead to death and decay.

Okayyyyyy...I guess.... but u still didn't answer my question.

For example SC2. I've never been a big fan of RTS, I don't really like them. The only RTS I have liked were Warcraft, Starcraft and Dawn of War.

When SC2 came out, I started playing and immediately had fun cause it was just like SC1 with better graphics, new units, story etc etc.

You say Blizzard doesn't like change. The change from Warcraft 2 to 3 was pretty big. Then they took on the MMO scene.

Exactly this.
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#13 Lonelynight
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From what I've seen of it, it seems like it would be pretty fluid and satisfying.
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#14 DanielDust
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Everything about it is top quality and the combat is by far the best this particular genre has. I have a suggestion smart one that played the demo of Dungeon Siege 3 and thought "hey, this game -based on a demo- is better than another game -based on a beta-", play a Diablo game, but you can't because the graphics are bad and apparently you're extremely shallow, or...you know...this might surprise you, but...don't play the game? I mean, hell, you didn't even play Dungeon Siege 3 and you're already going crazy over it, you know, buy it and enjoy?
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#16 Gladestone1
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You guys make me laugh..Dont you realize its the starting city..Its not suppose to be hard at all...So give me a break on all these comments..Starting cities always start off slow..Why not wait for the next chapter...Wait tll u get out in the lands an see the world..After that you can comment i can care less..Just wait and see what the other lvls have to offer..

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#17 R4gn4r0k
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Coming from the guy who said this:

So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game.Viper5121

:lol:

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#18 demi0227_basic
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[QUOTE="Viper5121"]The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards. Diablo 3 basically lives on its predecessors' glory and has a nostalgia factor, and that's why it's so popular. When you really look at the game, there's really nothing special about it at all. It's a decent game with extremely simple combat, good sound effects, and a good loot system, but that's about it. If it was made by any other company and had any other name, it would be completely overlooked as just some mediocre hack-n-slash RPG with dated graphics. I wouldn't be surprised if people who aren't familiar with the series, have tried out Diablo 3 beta and were like "What the heck? Why is this so popular? I don't get it". I mean, come on, really people, do you REALLY consider Diablo 3 to be a state-of-the-art game with awesome combat and a deep story? Be honest.

Man...I am so on your' page with your thoughts. It's not bad, but just OLD in terms of what I expect on pc now.
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#19 GD1551
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I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO

Ridiculous.. considering they have changed things and people just cried about it.

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#20 SF_KiLLaMaN
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.GD1551

Ridiculous.. considering they have changed things and people just cried about it.

This. If they actually changed the gameplay people would be up in arms over it. Hell, they changed a few smaller things and people are already b*tching about it. The fact is, I want Diablo 3 to play like Diablo 2, because Diablo 2 was awesome and tons of fun. Blizzard is just giving the Diablo fans what they want, a Diablo game. If you people don't like it, cool, stop spamming these forums with your hate.
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#21 CDudu
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Tell me a game that has aged better than Diablo.

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#22 kozzy1234
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It feels like Diablo2, I am a happy camper.

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#23 Miroku32
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I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO
If it isn't broken why change it?
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#24 Baranga
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The diversity of opinions is fascinating.

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#25 jhalter1
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Tell me a game that has aged better than Diablo.

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Baldur's Gate I+II. Obviously my opinion, but I ADORE these games. Diablo is great but it's not Baldur's Gate!
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#26 Travis_Odell
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The problem with Diablo 3 is it's to sophisticated for a lot of people, you can't have adhd and play Diablo it just don't mix.
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#27 Brean24
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The problem with Diablo 3 is it's to sophisticated for a lot of people, you can't have adhd and play Diablo it just don't mix.Travis_Odell
I have ADHD, I play Diablo just fine, calling Diablo 3 sophisticated is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. I love Diablo, I enjoyed the Diablo 3 beta, its one of my favorite series, Diablo 2 was amazing back in the day, but Diablo is not complicated in anyway, its combat system is hack and slash, which by defintion is quite simple. The removal of character choice in terms of stat asignment makes it even more simple. That being said I preordered and am waiting anxiously for release day which just happen to be a week before finals(great)
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[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]The problem with Diablo 3 is it's to sophisticated for a lot of people, you can't have adhd and play Diablo it just don't mix.Brean24
I have ADHD, I play Diablo just fine, calling Diablo 3 sophisticated is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. I love Diablo, I enjoyed the Diablo 3 beta, its one of my favorite series, Diablo 2 was amazing back in the day, but Diablo is not complicated in anyway, its combat system is hack and slash, which by defintion is quite simple. The removal of character choice in terms of stat asignment makes it even more simple. That being said I preordered and am waiting anxiously for release day which just happen to be a week before finals(great)

ADHD is made up lie, you just needed your ass busted as a child. And yes Diablo takes strategy, strategy means sophistication for gamers, most gamers want instant gratification fact this gen.
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#29 XaosII
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[QUOTE="CDudu"]

Tell me a game that has aged better than Diablo.

jhalter1

Baldur's Gate I+II. Obviously my opinion, but I ADORE these games. Diablo is great but it's not Baldur's Gate!

Those games have not aged well at all. Aside from their story, everything about them blows. The D&D 2nd Edition system is so incredibly cumbersome and bulky, especially when translated to a video game, that it kills alot of enjoyment.

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#30 Brean24
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[QUOTE="Brean24"][QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]The problem with Diablo 3 is it's to sophisticated for a lot of people, you can't have adhd and play Diablo it just don't mix.Travis_Odell
I have ADHD, I play Diablo just fine, calling Diablo 3 sophisticated is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. I love Diablo, I enjoyed the Diablo 3 beta, its one of my favorite series, Diablo 2 was amazing back in the day, but Diablo is not complicated in anyway, its combat system is hack and slash, which by defintion is quite simple. The removal of character choice in terms of stat asignment makes it even more simple. That being said I preordered and am waiting anxiously for release day which just happen to be a week before finals(great)

ADHD is made up lie, you just needed your ass busted as a child. And yes Diablo takes strategy, strategy means sophistication for gamers, most gamers want instant gratification fact this gen.

Seriously? ADHD is a made up lie? For your information it isnt, theres a difference between being lazy and non paying attention and ADHD, you clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Diablo doesnt take strategy, you can literally beat a boss by standing and holding the mouse button while pressing hotkeys and spamming health potions, its not a hard game.
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[QUOTE="Brean24"][QUOTE="Travis_Odell"][QUOTE="Brean24"] I have ADHD, I play Diablo just fine, calling Diablo 3 sophisticated is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. I love Diablo, I enjoyed the Diablo 3 beta, its one of my favorite series, Diablo 2 was amazing back in the day, but Diablo is not complicated in anyway, its combat system is hack and slash, which by defintion is quite simple. The removal of character choice in terms of stat asignment makes it even more simple. That being said I preordered and am waiting anxiously for release day which just happen to be a week before finals(great)

ADHD is made up lie, you just needed your ass busted as a child. And yes Diablo takes strategy, strategy means sophistication for gamers, most gamers want instant gratification fact this gen.

Seriously? ADHD is a made up lie? For your information it isnt, theres a difference between being lazy and non paying attention and ADHD, you clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Diablo doesnt take strategy, you can literally beat a boss by standing and holding the mouse button while pressing hotkeys and spamming health potions, its not a hard game.

Got em.
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[QUOTE="Brean24"][QUOTE="Travis_Odell"][QUOTE="Brean24"] I have ADHD, I play Diablo just fine, calling Diablo 3 sophisticated is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. I love Diablo, I enjoyed the Diablo 3 beta, its one of my favorite series, Diablo 2 was amazing back in the day, but Diablo is not complicated in anyway, its combat system is hack and slash, which by defintion is quite simple. The removal of character choice in terms of stat asignment makes it even more simple. That being said I preordered and am waiting anxiously for release day which just happen to be a week before finals(great)

ADHD is made up lie, you just needed your ass busted as a child. And yes Diablo takes strategy, strategy means sophistication for gamers, most gamers want instant gratification fact this gen.

Seriously? ADHD is a made up lie? For your information it isnt, theres a difference between being lazy and non paying attention and ADHD, you clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Diablo doesnt take strategy, you can literally beat a boss by standing and holding the mouse button while pressing hotkeys and spamming health potions, its not a hard game.

No...you clearly never played more than the first act of D 2 if you think like that and yes T_O is a ****, don't mind him.
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#33 Travis_Odell
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I shouldn't have added my opinion on ADHD, i didn't know people would get offended by it? I'm sorry. Proceed to take your speed. Diablo is a game for dummies then, is that what i'm hearing?
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#34 SKaREO
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[QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]I shouldn't have added my opinion on ADHD, i didn't know people would get offended by it? I'm sorry. Proceed to take your speed. Diablo is a game for dummies then, is that what i'm hearing?

Well you like it don't you? Case in point.
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#35 xLittlekillx
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Dungeon Siege 3 is terrible. I bought it at a heavy discount, and I regret it.

If you want innovative takes on the Diablo formula, check out Sacred and Din's Curse. Neither have the production values of a blizzard game, but both are pretty good. Din's Curse in particular does some cool things with the sandbox element.

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#36 Travis_Odell
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="Travis_Odell"]I shouldn't have added my opinion on ADHD, i didn't know people would get offended by it? I'm sorry. Proceed to take your speed. Diablo is a game for dummies then, is that what i'm hearing?

Well you like it don't you? Case in point.

I love teh sophistication and gratification when i grind to level up lol in that case every genre of game is for dummies. Holy mother what a contradiction.
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#37 CDudu
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#38 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Level 1 and another thread about Diablo hating.... cmon its a guy capitilizing on the massive hype here, just stop responding to him.
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#39 Essian
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I didn't like it because I found the game bland. The graphics, attacks, pretty much everything felt generic, which bored me. That's my opinion, at any rate
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#40 SF_KiLLaMaN
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I didn't like it because I found the game bland. The graphics, attacks, pretty much everything felt generic, which bored me. That's my opinion, at any rateEssian
How is it generic? What are you comparing it to?
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#41 PetJel
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I either hated or got bored of every hack and slask / action dungeon crawler I ever tried, including Dungeon Siege 2, Diablo 2, Titan Quest, and more.

Played Diablo 3 beta and got insta-hooked. Played it absolutely non-stop through the weekend.

Awesome combat? Hell yeah. Deep story? No idea and I don't care.

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#42 JKnaperek
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Aren't there enough troll threads about Diablo already circulating?
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#43 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]"The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards." Same could be said about almost any game of any genre. I think there are more people that want the same gameplay than people expecting your character to make you breakfast. What innovations were you looking for? I'm just curious.

Not really. ARPG genre has been completely stagnant.
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#44 CDudu
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]"The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards." Same could be said about almost any game of any genre. I think there are more people that want the same gameplay than people expecting your character to make you breakfast. What innovations were you looking for? I'm just curious.shakmaster13
Not really. ARPG genre has been completely stagnant.

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#45 igsmither
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yea the game is bad, don't believe the hype people because the game is **** and that is that. on another note if you really like this genre (I prefer a real rpg where I can manually move and look where ever I want) then look into Path of Exile it will be free to play http://www.pathofexile.com/
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#46 SF_KiLLaMaN
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yea the game is bad, don't believe the hype people because the game is **** and that is that. on another note if you really like this genre (I prefer a real rpg where I can manually move and look where ever I want) then look into Path of Exile it will be free to play http://www.pathofexile.com/ igsmither
lolwut? You can't manually move in Diablo 3? That's news to me. Go away troll.
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#47 FelipeInside
Member since 2003 • 28548 Posts
[QUOTE="igsmither"]yea the game is bad, don't believe the hype people because the game is **** and that is that. on another note if you really like this genre (I prefer a real rpg where I can manually move and look where ever I want) then look into Path of Exile it will be free to play http://www.pathofexile.com/ SF_KiLLaMaN
lolwut? You can't manually move in Diablo 3? That's news to me. Go away troll.

What the hell do you mean by "where I can manually move and look where ever I want" ?? Path of Exile uses the same isometric camera as Diablo, you can't look anywhere you want either.
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#48 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]"The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards." Same could be said about almost any game of any genre. I think there are more people that want the same gameplay than people expecting your character to make you breakfast. What innovations were you looking for? I'm just curious.CDudu

Not really. ARPG genre has been completely stagnant.

Torchlight 2

Dead State

Grim Dawn

Path of Exile

Dark Souls, saying hi to you

How many of those are actually innovative in any way besides Dark Souls, which shouldn't even count since it's a JRPG.
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#49 Bruin1986
Member since 2007 • 1629 Posts

I never had faith in D3 when it was announced as a 2D game(now in 2012, are you serious?) loved D1 and D2, but now games from their competitors has set the bar too high. Blizzard however, never seem to wake up from their fantasy land. I no longer care for any blizzard titles.... ever since they vastly disappointed me in SC2, I know they are incapable of accepting new concepts and making changes

GameFan1983

...and yet Diablo 3 will sell millions upon millions of copies and people will be playing it for the next decade; whereas all of these purportedly amazing titles from their competitors will be forgotten within a few years.

Define "fantasy land"...

You mean the land where Blizzard controls the gold-standard title in THREE separate genres?

That "fantasy land" would be called "Earth".

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#50 Mr_Ditters
Member since 2008 • 1920 Posts

[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

I never had faith in D3 when it was announced as a 2D game(now in 2012, are you serious?) loved D1 and D2, but now games from their competitors has set the bar too high. Blizzard however, never seem to wake up from their fantasy land. I no longer care for any blizzard titles.... ever since they vastly disappointed me in SC2, I know they are incapable of accepting new concepts and making changes

Bruin1986

...and yet Diablo 3 will sell millions upon millions of copies and people will be playing it for the next decade; whereas all of these purportedly amazing titles from their competitors will be forgotten within a few years.

Define "fantasy land"...

You mean the land where Blizzard controls the gold-standard title in THREE separate genres?

That "fantasy land" would be called "Earth".

I think that is the most logical post I have read on these forums.