The truth about Diablo 3's mediocrity.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]"The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards." Same could be said about almost any game of any genre. I think there are more people that want the same gameplay than people expecting your character to make you breakfast. What innovations were you looking for? I'm just curious.CDudu

Torchlight 2

Dead State

Grim Dawn

Path of Exile

Dark Souls, saying hi to you

[QUOTE="CDudu"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] Not really. ARPG genre has been completely stagnant.shakmaster13

Torchlight 2

Dead State

Grim Dawn

Path of Exile

Dark Souls, saying hi to you

Like I asked the other poster, what innovations are you looking for? No offense, but I hate it when people want innovation but they can't name a single valid one that would change a game, let alone a genre. I'm pretty sure if there was a single innovation that would change the game in a positive way, Blizzard would have put it in there.

Dark Souls isn't really innovative. It just so happens, players forgot about the 8-bit video game days.. and FromSoftware capitalized on it, brought it back from the grave and made it 3D. I think people praise Dark Souls way too much. It's a great game but they act like it's innovation god when it truly isn't. Oh look, revive an 8-bit style game, make it super brutal on difficulty, and it's innovative! No, it's not. Is it refreshing in the pile of first-person shooters? Sure.

How many of those are actually innovative in any wayshakmaster13

Well you have to loot your skills in Path of Exile...

Runes are no longer loot in Diablo 3 because it was very annoying but PoE went full retard with this concept.

It's a pretty nice game but its "innovations" are mostly gimmicks that are either broken or boring.

There was no depth to Diablo 2. Where do people find this depth?

If you didn't build your class exactly to specifications and have the exact weapon loadouts in Diablo 2, you had a worthless class. Everything was cookiecutter. There was no depth. Follow build guide and that was it.

Diablo 2 had the remnants of the old D&D stats system that RPGs used to be defined by. It was pointless. Any Diablo 2 vet will agree.

You got to explore with different builds with your first character on normal difficulty. Nightmare and hell were impossible without flawless character builds.

There's going to be a ton of class builds and depth if you take everything into consideration. It's something like 30 skills with 6 passives and 6 runes for each skill.

There was no depth to Diablo 2. Where do people find this depth?

If you didn't build your class exactly to specifications and have the exact weapon loadouts in Diablo 2, you had a worthless class. Everything was cookiecutter. There was no depth. Follow build guide and that was it.

Diablo 2 had the remnants of the old D&D stats system that RPGs used to be defined by. It was pointless. Any Diablo 2 vet will agree.

You got to explore with different builds with your first character on normal difficulty. Nightmare and hell were impossible without flawless character builds.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

There was no depth to Diablo 2. Where do people find this depth?

If you didn't build your class exactly to specifications and have the exact weapon loadouts in Diablo 2, you had a worthless class. Everything was cookiecutter. There was no depth. Follow build guide and that was it.

Diablo 2 had the remnants of the old D&D stats system that RPGs used to be defined by. It was pointless. Any Diablo 2 vet will agree.

You got to explore with different builds with your first character on normal difficulty. Nightmare and hell were impossible without flawless character builds.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

There was no depth to Diablo 2. Where do people find this depth?

If you didn't build your class exactly to specifications and have the exact weapon loadouts in Diablo 2, you had a worthless class. Everything was cookiecutter. There was no depth. Follow build guide and that was it.

Diablo 2 had the remnants of the old D&D stats system that RPGs used to be defined by. It was pointless. Any Diablo 2 vet will agree.

You got to explore with different builds with your first character on normal difficulty. Nightmare and hell were impossible without flawless character builds.

Elann2008

There's nothing like "I love you, Sarge!" in SC2:(

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="CDudu"]

Torchlight 2

Dead State

Grim Dawn

Path of Exile

Dark Souls, saying hi to you

Elann2008

Like I asked the other poster, what innovations are you looking for? No offense, but I hate it when people want innovation but they can't name a single valid one that would change a game, let alone a genre. I'm pretty sure if there was a single innovation that would change the game in a positive way, Blizzard would have put it in there.

Dark Souls isn't really innovative. It just so happens, players forgot about the 8-bit video game days.. and FromSoftware capitalized on it, brought it back from the grave and made it 3D. I think people praise Dark Souls way too much. It's a great game but they act like it's innovation god when it truly isn't. Oh look, revive an 8-bit style game, make it super brutal on difficulty, and it's innovative! No, it's not. Is it refreshing in the pile of first-person shooters? Sure.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] How many of those are actually innovative in any way besides Dark Souls, which shouldn't even count since it's a JRPG.shakmaster13

Like I asked the other poster, what innovations are you looking for? No offense, but I hate it when people want innovation but they can't name a single valid one that would change a game, let alone a genre. I'm pretty sure if there was a single innovation that would change the game in a positive way, Blizzard would have put it in there.

Dark Souls isn't really innovative. It just so happens, players forgot about the 8-bit video game days.. and FromSoftware capitalized on it, brought it back from the grave and made it 3D. I think people praise Dark Souls way too much. It's a great game but they act like it's innovation god when it truly isn't. Oh look, revive an 8-bit style game, make it super brutal on difficulty, and it's innovative! No, it's not. Is it refreshing in the pile of first-person shooters? Sure.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] How many of those are actually innovative in any way besides Dark Souls, which shouldn't even count since it's a JRPG.shakmaster13

Like I asked the other poster, what innovations are you looking for? No offense, but I hate it when people want innovation but they can't name a single valid one that would change a game, let alone a genre. I'm pretty sure if there was a single innovation that would change the game in a positive way, Blizzard would have put it in there.

Dark Souls isn't really innovative. It just so happens, players forgot about the 8-bit video game days.. and FromSoftware capitalized on it, brought it back from the grave and made it 3D. I think people praise Dark Souls way too much. It's a great game but they act like it's innovation god when it truly isn't. Oh look, revive an 8-bit style game, make it super brutal on difficulty, and it's innovative! No, it's not. Is it refreshing in the pile of first-person shooters? Sure.

I don't want a clickfest where the more I spam my mouse the faster I kill things; games with at least some level of depth. Also, I guess Dark Souls isn't really that innovative, but it's different enough from the rest of the pack to establish itself as a separate entity. Fate, Torchlight, Titan Quest, Diablo 1/2, etc all have gameplay too similar to each other.

shakmaster13

You should watch the Lineage Eternal gameplay video. You can see some innovations there.

It brings some fresh air in the clickfest of the ARPGs.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

I don't want a clickfest where the more I spam my mouse the faster I kill things; games with at least some level of depth. Also, I guess Dark Souls isn't really that innovative, but it's different enough from the rest of the pack to establish itself as a separate entity. Fate, Torchlight, Titan Quest, Diablo 1/2, etc all have gameplay too similar to each other.

CDudu

You should watch the Lineage Eternal gameplay video. You can see some innovations there.

It brings some fresh air in the clickfest of the ARPGs.

diablo 3 combat shallow? id like to see a high lvl char with all the skills and runes on.

if you were expecting 4 bars of skills you will hardly use so you can think you are mentally superior to the other people then gtfo.

.. You played what amounted to a beta demo in which you got to play literally 1/4th or less of a single act on normal difficulty.. sSubZerOo

he probably didn't even play it, who cares about end game when you want to make a biased post at gamespot?

blizzard is not afraid of change, they still innovated in the beta with their accute sense of combat simplification but changed up the skill trees with runes and simplified combat stats. they are not afraid of innovation and in fact they are masters of it. they basically created the genre of "diablo clone" and have continued to innovate beyond that. they are trying to stay close to the core of what diablo is, without alienating people that are fans of the series. however, I will say that I hate some of the enemy design in the beta, it is still a blast to play.om3g4_prim3

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

There was no depth to Diablo 2. Where do people find this depth?

If you didn't build your class exactly to specifications and have the exact weapon loadouts in Diablo 2, you had a worthless class. Everything was cookiecutter. There was no depth. Follow build guide and that was it.

Diablo 2 had the remnants of the old D&D stats system that RPGs used to be defined by. It was pointless. Any Diablo 2 vet will agree.

You got to explore with different builds with your first character on normal difficulty. Nightmare and hell were impossible without flawless character builds.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] How many of those are actually innovative in any way besides Dark Souls, which shouldn't even count since it's a JRPG.shakmaster13

Like I asked the other poster, what innovations are you looking for? No offense, but I hate it when people want innovation but they can't name a single valid one that would change a game, let alone a genre. I'm pretty sure if there was a single innovation that would change the game in a positive way, Blizzard would have put it in there.

Dark Souls isn't really innovative. It just so happens, players forgot about the 8-bit video game days.. and FromSoftware capitalized on it, brought it back from the grave and made it 3D. I think people praise Dark Souls way too much. It's a great game but they act like it's innovation god when it truly isn't. Oh look, revive an 8-bit style game, make it super brutal on difficulty, and it's innovative! No, it's not. Is it refreshing in the pile of first-person shooters? Sure.

The main problem with Diablo 3 is that the combat is incredibly shallow. There is really almost nothing to it. It was good back in the year 2000, but is simply not up to today's standards. Diablo 3 basically lives on its predecessors' glory and has a nostalgia factor, and that's why it's so popular. When you really look at the game, there's really nothing special about it at all. It's a decent game with extremely simple combat, good sound effects, and a good loot system, but that's about it. If it was made by any other company and had any other name, it would be completely overlooked as just some mediocre hack-n-slash RPG with dated graphics. I wouldn't be surprised if people who aren't familiar with the series, have tried out Diablo 3 beta and were like "What the heck? Why is this so popular? I don't get it". I mean, come on, really people, do you REALLY consider Diablo 3 to be a state-of-the-art game with awesome combat and a deep story? Be honest.Viper5121

If that's how you feel, then simply don't buy it. No need to troll, no need to flamebait. Just don't buy it. See? Wasnt that easy?

But speaking as a 16-year Diablo fan, I love how Diablo 3 has turned out. And I am counting down the days until May 15th.

I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO

and some fans already think that Diablo 3 has changed things too much already. imagine the rage if they would stir things up even more...

that said, i liked the beta. it's hard to do things drastically different, and trying to serve to a hardcore fanbase at the same time. people are gonna get mad. no matter what you do.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.groowagon

and some fans already think that Diablo 3 has changed things too much already. imagine the rage if they would stir things up even more...

that said, i liked the beta. it's hard to do things drastically different, and trying to serve to a hardcore fanbase at the same time. people are gonna get mad. no matter what you do.

I'm not a huge fan of some of the stuff they changed, but they have obviously added new things to the game.

-Henchman now have some skill paths to take

-Artisans/crafting

-Rune system

-XP awards/achievements for certain things (kill streaks, ect)

-New difficulty level

-Random quests

Then there's a whole host of stuff that's changed:

-Skill system

-Graphics

-Variable death animations

-Loot system (individualized)

...and a bunch of other stuff as well. They have absolutely added and changed things in D3...it's certainly not copy/paste of Diablo 2 with simply better graphics. Like I said, there's certain things I really don't like about D3 (mainly new skill system) but saying they didn't change anything at all is outright ignorant.

[QUOTE="groowagon"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]I agree with Viper and Gamefan. Blizzard is afraid of change, and that is really disappointing.SKaREO

and some fans already think that Diablo 3 has changed things too much already. imagine the rage if they would stir things up even more...

that said, i liked the beta. it's hard to do things drastically different, and trying to serve to a hardcore fanbase at the same time. people are gonna get mad. no matter what you do.

let's see... runestones, crafting, artisans, revamped skill system, followers, new stash system, auction house, refined combat system... yeah, nothing new here.this stuff as a whole is pretty subtle when you think about it outside of a true-fan-perspective, but Blizzard has a fanbase to serve.

but i think what you mean is that they haven't brought the whole Diablo concept to a whole new level, but instead, made small changes to the original concept. i do think that Diablo 3 could've been even more than what it is now, but it also could've been a huge risk for Blizzard.

i felt the same way about SC2, btw. just plain fan service. only difference is that i can enjoy the fan service served in the form of D3 :)