This is why AMD is total crap compared to nvidia.

http://www.techpowerup.com/164573/AMD-to-Drop-Support-for-Pre-HD-5000-GPUs-with-Catalyst-12.7.html?cp=1#comments

Just before the release of windows 8 they do this. Whereas nvidia to this day continues to support the geforce 6 series as well.

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Have a crossfire HD 4000 setup? lol.

Why on earth would anyone accept such shoddy support is beyond me. Maybe those who buy new graphic card every year wont care but budget gamers like me wont even think about an AMD card now and yes I really may had given AMD a go with my next card.

Maintain your composure ladies and gentlement.

This thread won't end well...

I do think it's pretty crappy that they aren't going to support the HD3000 and 4000 series anymore. They are still just as fast as a lot of the entry level to lower midrange cards of today. I can understand not supporting DX9 cards anymore, but those are both DX10.1. It's rubbish. I respect the products that AMD has put out, but this makes me lose respect for the company.

I am quite surprised they dropped the 4x series...

though it will ofc still work in windows 8, takes same driers as vista and 7.

Now I'm glad I don't game with my 4850 anymore.

I wish I never wasted my money on an AMD :( Driver support is terrible.

gambl3r you come in here and do nothing productive.. i guess thats why u so mad all the time. i miss your smile.. why u no smile?

AMD dropping support on year 4 of a video card isn't really that long. Then again, nVidia isn't much better either. My GF4-Ti 4200 was already down to generic drivers at the 5*-year mark when Vista released in 2007.

*Actually more like 4 years and a few months.

back when ATI was ATI they supported drivers to the grave. Only when crappy AMD acquired them has this happened. If Intel acquired ATI instead it would be a different story.

gambl3r you come in here and do nothing productive.. i guess thats why u so mad all the time. i miss your smile.. why u no smile?

ionusX

Pretty sure they are just moving older cards to the 6 month update cycle.

Also people that update their drivers every month are mental midgets.

Well that's unfortunate. My 4870 still does very good today and is one of the best cards I've owned (the longest I've gone without upgrading the GPU) but these kind of things make me want to go the nvidia route...

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

gambl3r you come in here and do nothing productive.. i guess thats why u so mad all the time. i miss your smile.. why u no smile?

V4LENT1NE

why do you always come here so mad all the time?? go bone your gf, go play some katamari, go make yourself a sandvich, anything just stop being so mad dude. you seem to have a problem with me enjoying myself on these forums and single me out with these hit and run blows at every turn. if this continues im afraid i may need to consult moderators on the grounds of cyber bullying. so i recommend you grow up and get used to other people being on these forums and them actually posting things. if thats such a problem i recommend you go find another forum that you can exist peacefully in or stop using teh internetz altogeather.

Maintain your composure ladies and gentlement.

tequilasunriser

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]

Maintain your composure ladies and gentlement.

Diwashb

it makes sense if you ask me. you can't make good steps forward if you need to worry about older hardware all the time. even though new driver releases appear i think this is what's being done as long as i can remember anyway, also by nvidia. so old hardware may still be "supported" but in real life it is usually pointless to update graphics drivers once your card is say 2+ years old. sometimes you will even see performance decreases if you keep updating your drivers religiously. you just can't endlessly optimize drivers and over 4 generations of gpu's all at the same time. it's been ages ago since i've had any gpu driver issues anyway and it's not like all older gpu's will suddenly freak out.

it makes sense if you ask me. you can't make good steps forward if you need to worry about older hardware all the time. even though new driver releases appear i think this is what's being done as long as i can remember anyway, also by nvidia. so old hardware may still be "supported" but in real life it is usually pointless to update graphics drivers once your card is say 2+ years old. sometimes you will even see performance decreases if you keep updating your drivers religiously. you just can't endlessly optimize drivers and over 4 generations of gpu's all at the same time. it's been ages ago since i've had any gpu driver issues anyway and it's not like all older gpu's will suddenly freak out.

BLKR4330

AMD dropping support on year 4 of a video card isn't really that long. Then again, nVidia isn't much better either. My GF4-Ti 4200 was already down to generic drivers at the 5*-year mark when Vista released in 2007.

*Actually more like 4 years and a few months.

jun_aka_pekto

Nvidia is still supporting the geforce 6 series...

I feel good having a GTS 250 because it's nvidia, I would hate having a 4850 at this point.

http://www.techpowerup.com/164573/AMD-to-Drop-Support-for-Pre-HD-5000-GPUs-with-Catalyst-12.7.html?cp=1#comments

Just before the release of windows 8 they do this. Whereas nvidia to this day continues to support the geforce 6 series as well.

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Have a crossfire HD 4000 setup? lol.

Why on earth would anyone accept such shoddy support is beyond me. Maybe those who buy new graphic card every year wont care but budget gamers like me wont even think about an AMD card now and yes I really may had given AMD a go with my next card.

Gambler_3

What about Radeon HD 5145/5165 i.e. rename 4x00?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

http://www.techpowerup.com/164573/AMD-to-Drop-Support-for-Pre-HD-5000-GPUs-with-Catalyst-12.7.html?cp=1#comments

Just before the release of windows 8 they do this. Whereas nvidia to this day continues to support the geforce 6 series as well.

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Have a crossfire HD 4000 setup? lol.

Why on earth would anyone accept such shoddy support is beyond me. Maybe those who buy new graphic card every year wont care but budget gamers like me wont even think about an AMD card now and yes I really may had given AMD a go with my next card.

ronvalencia

5750/5770 are weaker products than 4870/4890 but the latter wont be supported. Thats AMD for you.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

http://www.techpowerup.com/164573/AMD-to-Drop-Support-for-Pre-HD-5000-GPUs-with-Catalyst-12.7.html?cp=1#comments

Just before the release of windows 8 they do this. Whereas nvidia to this day continues to support the geforce 6 series as well.

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Have a crossfire HD 4000 setup? lol.

Why on earth would anyone accept such shoddy support is beyond me. Maybe those who buy new graphic card every year wont care but budget gamers like me wont even think about an AMD card now and yes I really may had given AMD a go with my next card.

Gambler_3

Atleast Radeon X1900 can still run Crysis 2.

Example of legacy Radeon GPU support support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx

AMD may periodically provide Windows XP and Windows Vista driver updates (for the products listed above) for critical fixes only. No new features will be provided in future driver updates

Example of legacy Radeon GPU support support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx

AMD may periodically provide Windows XP and Windows Vista driver updates (for the products listed above) for critical fixes only. No new features will be provided in future driver updates

ronvalencia

And even if they do provide windows 8 drivers, its not enough. The 4850/4870/4890 are still more than decent cards for modern gaming and they shouldnt be treated like this.

And those saying there is no point in updating drivers of old products, well there certainly is. Game devs are unlikely to give a patch that fixes problems with older hardware, it will have to be the GPU maker. Plus whenever the drivers get a new interface or features, I also get it on the GTS 250 provided the hardware supports the new features. Thats great support for you.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Example of legacy Radeon GPU support support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Legacy/Pages/radeonaiw_vista32.aspx

AMD may periodically provide Windows XP and Windows Vista driver updates (for the products listed above) for critical fixes only. No new features will be provided in future driver updates

Gambler_3

And even if they do provide windows 8 drivers, its not enough. The 4850/4870/4890 are still more than decent cards for modern gaming and they shouldnt be treated like this.

And those saying there is no point in updating drivers of old products, well there certainly is. Game devs are unlikely to give a patch that fixes problems with older hardware, it will have to be the GPU maker. Plus whenever the drivers get a new interface or features, I also get it on the GTS 250 provided the hardware supports the new features. Thats great support for you.

Radeon X1900 can still run Crysis 2

As AMD stated in the past, AMD need permission from laptop vendors e.g. Sony and Toshiba says Hi.

PS; I own Sony Vaio VGN-FW45 and I ussually mod my drivers (insert vendor ID in INF) i.e. Sony being PITA.

Radeon X1900 can still run Crysis 2

As AMD stated in the past, AMD need permission from laptop vendors e.g. Sony and Toshiba says Hi.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Radeon X1900 can still run Crysis 2

As AMD stated in the past, AMD need permission from laptop vendors e.g. Sony and Toshiba says Hi.

Gambler_3

Can Geforce 7900 run Crysis 2 at Xbox 360 level?

NVIDIA "bump gate" says Hi for large number of Geforce 8 mobiles i.e. PC's very own RROD with expensive laptops

PS; I own a dead ASUS G1S with dead Geforce 8600M GT i.e. NVIDIA "bump gate".

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

AMD dropping support on year 4 of a video card isn't really that long. Then again, nVidia isn't much better either. My GF4-Ti 4200 was already down to generic drivers at the 5*-year mark when Vista released in 2007.

*Actually more like 4 years and a few months.

Gambler_3

Nvidia is still supporting the geforce 6 series...

I feel good having a GTS 250 because it's nvidia, I would hate having a 4850 at this point.

Hmmm. Okay. Come to think of it, I remember a lot of grumbling about the same support issues with nVidia back then. I see they still support my 8600 GT. Cool.

Anyway, I still have my 5770. I hope AMD continues to support it for longer than 4 years. It's been a trouble-free card.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

gambl3r you come in here and do nothing productive.. i guess thats why u so mad all the time. i miss your smile.. why u no smile?

ionusX

why do you always come here so mad all the time?? go bone your gf, go play some katamari, go make yourself a sandvich, anything just stop being so mad dude. you seem to have a problem with me enjoying myself on these forums and single me out with these hit and run blows at every turn. if this continues im afraid i may need to consult moderators on the grounds of cyber bullying. so i recommend you grow up and get used to other people being on these forums and them actually posting things. if thats such a problem i recommend you go find another forum that you can exist peacefully in or stop using teh internetz altogeather.

Also remember you are the one getting personal saying stuff like "go bone your GF", I have never said anything like that to you, I have only pointed out what I have seen, so maybe think about that. If you didnt post such bias stuff with missleading titles and points all the time maybe I and other people wouldnt bring it up. Only yesterday someone brought it up when you were talking about AMD dropping support for certain cards...

In a year we'll have forgotten about this :P, and is it reallyyy such a big deal, if you are using a card that old than I highly doubt they would have much success running tomorrows games anyway, if it means they can dedicate more time to developing better support for the cards the majority of us use then go for it.

Can Geforce 7900 run Crysis 2 at Xbox 360 level?

NVIDIA "bump gate" says Hi for large number of Geforce 8 mobiles i.e. PC's very own RROD with expensive laptops

PS; I own a dead ASUS G1S with dead Geforce 8600M GT i.e. NVIDIA "bump gate".

ronvalencia

In a year we'll have forgotten about this :P, and is it reallyyy such a big deal, if you are using a card that old than I highly doubt they would have much success running tomorrows games anyway, if it means they can dedicate more time to developing better support for the cards the majority of us use then go for it.

supras989

[QUOTE="supras989"]

In a year we'll have forgotten about this :P, and is it reallyyy such a big deal, if you are using a card that old than I highly doubt they would have much success running tomorrows games anyway, if it means they can dedicate more time to developing better support for the cards the majority of us use then go for it.

Gambler_3

4890 is a country mile faster than 8800GT. :)

It doesnt struggle like that in any game.

[QUOTE="BLKR4330"]

it makes sense if you ask me. you can't make good steps forward if you need to worry about older hardware all the time. even though new driver releases appear i think this is what's being done as long as i can remember anyway, also by nvidia. so old hardware may still be "supported" but in real life it is usually pointless to update graphics drivers once your card is say 2+ years old. sometimes you will even see performance decreases if you keep updating your drivers religiously. you just can't endlessly optimize drivers and over 4 generations of gpu's all at the same time. it's been ages ago since i've had any gpu driver issues anyway and it's not like all older gpu's will suddenly freak out.

kraken2109

yeah ok, i might want to take that back.. i have a hd 4850 and i thought it was way older as it turns out to be after looking it up. i would expect at least another year of support. although i am still not too worried because when i see hotfixes it's mostly for problems with the latest hardware or multi-card setups and, like i said, i haven't had a driver issue in ages while being on dated hardware 75% or more of my time playing games. last i can remember was kotor on a radeon x800 xt and i wouldn't even be 100% sure it was driver related.

This is like taking your 5 year old car for a service and getting told you'll have to replace it because it's too old.

It still works fine, just like the older cards. For most people a 4850 (or other 4000 series cards) is still a good card. It can run games better than current consoles.

Bottom line for me is this- If AMD doesn't provide Windows 8 drivers for the HD3000 and 4000 series, they are forcing a lot of people into a bad spot. These are both DX10.1 series, and they're not that old. I bet there are a lot of people using HD4800 series cards that will feel shafted by this. Imagine this- You have one of these cards, are completely happy with the performance, and you want Windows 8. The only way for you to NOT upgrade your still very viable GPU would be to screw around with old drivers written for a different OS. We have no way of knowing if Win Vista/7 drivers would even work for Win8. This is particularly crappy at this point in time, because of the state of PC gaming in relation to current-gen consoles. I completely understand people still using GTX 200 or HD4800 series cards. They can handle most games coming out.

This is like taking your 5 year old car for a service and getting told you'll have to replace it because it's too old.

It still works fine, just like the older cards. For most people a 4850 (or other 4000 series cards) is still a good card. It can run games better than current consoles.

kraken2109

Not to mention the more powerful 4870, 4890, and 4870x2. There's no good reason why those cards shouldn't be supported for a couple more years.

Bottom line for me is this- If AMD doesn't provide Windows 8 drivers for the HD3000 and 4000 series, they are forcing a lot of people into a bad spot. These are both DX10.1 series, and they're not that old. I bet there are a lot of people using HD4800 series cards that will feel shafted by this. Imagine this- You have one of these cards, are completely happy with the performance, and you want Windows 8. The only way for you to NOT upgrade your still very viable GPU would be to screw around with old drivers written for a different OS. We have no way of knowing if Win Vista/7 drivers would even work for Win8. This is particularly crappy at this point in time, because of the state of PC gaming in relation to current-gen consoles. I completely understand people still using GTX 200 or HD4800 series cards. They can handle most games coming out.

hartsickdiscipl

Just because they are moving those things to the obselete stage, doesn't mean there won't be windows 8 drivers. Hell I used a 4650 with windows 8 consumer preview and it worked fine (well as fine as a 4650 will get)

People shouldn't be continually updating drivers in windows for no purpose, it is a terrible habbit. You update drivers when there is a new feature you need or a fix for an issue you were having.

4890 is a country mile faster than 8800GT. :)

It doesnt struggle like that in any game.

Gambler_3

can you give an example of 3 games where AMD stopping driver support in older video cards has resulted in those games being unplayable? If the radeon x1800 can still play crysis 2 and bf3 fine then theres no problem

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Bottom line for me is this- If AMD doesn't provide Windows 8 drivers for the HD3000 and 4000 series, they are forcing a lot of people into a bad spot. These are both DX10.1 series, and they're not that old. I bet there are a lot of people using HD4800 series cards that will feel shafted by this. Imagine this- You have one of these cards, are completely happy with the performance, and you want Windows 8. The only way for you to NOT upgrade your still very viable GPU would be to screw around with old drivers written for a different OS. We have no way of knowing if Win Vista/7 drivers would even work for Win8. This is particularly crappy at this point in time, because of the state of PC gaming in relation to current-gen consoles. I completely understand people still using GTX 200 or HD4800 series cards. They can handle most games coming out.

GummiRaccoon

Just because they are moving those things to the obselete stage, doesn't mean there won't be windows 8 drivers. Hell I used a 4650 with windows 8 consumer preview and it worked fine (well as fine as a 4650 will get)

People shouldn't be continually updating drivers in windows for no purpose, it is a terrible habbit. You update drivers when there is a new feature you need or a fix for an issue you were having.

Exactly Gummi. I don't have an AMD card, I only use nVidia, only out of preference, but I never update drivers until a game I want to play requires them. Old school, if it aint broke...

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Gambler_3

Actually I was putting together parts of my old e8400 into a case and I put my old ati 3870x2 into it and did some gaming with COD Black ops, and it ran excellant at 1920x1080.

I don't think this is right, I think some new games could still be played on the 3000-4000 gen cards, it's too soon to stop making drivers for them. Its not a huge concern though, I would never use my 3870x2 anymore for playing new games... but it makes you trust amd less for future purchases whether they will support those cards long enough also.

This is why I no longer support AMD products.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

4890 is a country mile faster than 8800GT. :)

It doesnt struggle like that in any game.

blaznwiipspman1

can you give an example of 3 games where AMD stopping driver support in older video cards has resulted in those games being unplayable? If the radeon x1800 can still play crysis 2 and bf3 fine then theres no problem

What I do know is that the X1800 doesnt have official windows 7 drivers which is just wrong whether there are workarounds to it or not...

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

4890 is a country mile faster than 8800GT. :)

It doesnt struggle like that in any game.

Gambler_3

can you give an example of 3 games where AMD stopping driver support in older video cards has resulted in those games being unplayable? If the radeon x1800 can still play crysis 2 and bf3 fine then theres no problem

What I do know is that the X1800 doesnt have official windows 7 drivers which is just wrong whether there are workarounds to it or not...

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

4890 is a country mile faster than 8800GT. :)

It doesnt struggle like that in any game.

Gambler_3

can you give an example of 3 games where AMD stopping driver support in older video cards has resulted in those games being unplayable? If the radeon x1800 can still play crysis 2 and bf3 fine then theres no problem

What I do know is that the X1800 doesnt have official windows 7 drivers which is just wrong whether there are workarounds to it or not...

most people with an x1800 have windows xp or vista. How many people do you know with old ass hardware and new operating systems? If someone is going to get windows 8, most of the time they will upgrade the rest of their components as well. Anyways since you ur self just said you don't know you're whole thread should be disgarded. You have to provide proof that new games don't work or have trouble with these older cards because AMD stopped making drivers for them, but you haven't found even 1 when I asked for 3. Anyways when are you planniing to upgrade you're ancient video card? Seems to me you're spending money on everything else in you're rig EXCEPT you're outdated 5 year old card.

Bottom line for me is this- If AMD doesn't provide Windows 8 drivers for the HD3000 and 4000 series, they are forcing a lot of people into a bad spot. These are both DX10.1 series, and they're not that old. I bet there are a lot of people using HD4800 series cards that will feel shafted by this. Imagine this- You have one of these cards, are completely happy with the performance, and you want Windows 8. The only way for you to NOT upgrade your still very viable GPU would be to screw around with old drivers written for a different OS. We have no way of knowing if Win Vista/7 drivers would even work for Win8. This is particularly crappy at this point in time, because of the state of PC gaming in relation to current-gen consoles. I completely understand people still using GTX 200 or HD4800 series cards. They can handle most games coming out.

hartsickdiscipl

If I understand correctly, these now "legacy" cards will still receive new drivers and bug fixes, just not as quickly as AMD's newer cards. As an example, I can still get Win7 x64 drivers for my old X1950 and X850 despite them being classified as legacy cards.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

The 48xx series are still such capable cards for gaming it is absolutely unacceptable that AMD did this. No they wont be getting any faster but driver updates are essential for bug fixes with latest games and lots of issues that are inevitably going to arise with a new version of windows.

Yams1980

Actually I was putting together parts of my old e8400 into a case and I put my old ati 3870x2 into it and did some gaming with COD Black ops, and it ran excellant at 1920x1080.

I don't think this is right, I think some new games could still be played on the 3000-4000 gen cards, it's too soon to stop making drivers for them. Its not a huge concern though, I would never use my 3870x2 anymore for playing new games... but it makes you trust amd less for future purchases whether they will support those cards long enough also.

They will be getting updates, just not once a month updates, which people shouldn't be installing anyways unless something is broken.