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I am debating weather to get either the new Triton Pro+ or the Warhead. I like the fact that the warhead is completely wireless and that you can hot-swap the batteries you get with them but with them being virtual 7.1 surround sound, the Pro+ are true 5.1 surround sound which I know will sound better but what I want to know is just how much diffrence the sound is between the two? Also even thought the Warhead is exclusive to the Xbox 360 could I not just connect the optical cable in the back of my HDTV to use it for the tv and other consoles like I do with my current AX Pro?

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To summarize, you're looking for a wireless headset, virtual surround, and compatibility with multiple consoles & television? Happy gaming, Boz

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Remember real 5.1 will be better for positional audio, but stereo means bigger drivers and better quality.

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No, like I said I have got the AX Pro hooked up to my tv with the optical cable so there for I can switch between my Xbox and tv by just changing channels on the tv and I was asking if I could do that with the Warhead because if I could then it's not really Xbox 360 exclusive is it as I would be able to use it with other console and hopefully the new Xbox when it comes out eventually by just changing the HDMI channel on the tv? I only have the Xbox 360 anyway and I am happy with my AX Pro but one of the cups has snapped off, gotta keep taping it up I've also had it a few years now, looking to buy a new Tritton headset (don't like Turtle Beach and I've never used Astro) I know true 5.1 surround sound is better than virtual 7.1 but by how much? A lot? Not alot?

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Remember real 5.1 will be better for positional audio, but stereo means bigger drivers and better quality.
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So say I buy the Warhead 7.1 over the Pro+ true 5.1 what would I miss out on? Will I still hear the enemies footsteps before they realise it's too late and will I hear everything in the game environment that I wouldn't hear from a tv speaker? See I am really happy with the Tritton Pros because I know first hand how good they sound but if I buy the Warhead I dont wanna be disappointed if the sound isnt as good as the Pros.

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[QUOTE="kraken2109"]
Remember real 5.1 will be better for positional audio, but stereo means bigger drivers and better quality.
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So say I buy the Warhead 7.1 over the Pro+ true 5.1 what would I miss out on? Will I still hear the enemies footsteps before they realise it's too late and will I hear everything in the game environment that I wouldn't hear from a tv speaker? See I am really happy with the Tritton Pros because I know first hand how good they sound but if I buy the Warhead I dont wanna be disappointed if the sound isnt as good as the Pros.

You could always buy the warhead and take it back if you don't like it?

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#7 NamelessPlayer

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The general consensus is that "true" 5.1/7.1 headsets with multiple drivers still sound like crap positionally compared to a quality stereo headphone backed up by a Dolby Headphone processor, because those drivers are still crammed all beside your ears instead of spread out like a real speaker system would be. If you really want wireless...oh crap, I just remembered that Astro stopped selling the Mixamp 5.8 system by itself in the US, presumably to push their A50 wireless headset. That makes things more difficult. But if you're fine with wires, there's always the Astro Mixamp and headsets like the Sennheiser PC360. If you really want to look more into this sort of thing, read this guide to get some ideas.

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No, like I said I have got the AX Pro hooked up to my tv with the optical cable so there for I can switch between my Xbox and tv by just changing channels on the tv and I was asking if I could do that with the Warhead because if I could then it's not really Xbox 360 exclusive is it as I would be able to use it with other console and hopefully the new Xbox when it comes out eventually by just changing the HDMI channel on the tv? I only have the Xbox 360 anyway and I am happy with my AX Pro but one of the cups has snapped off, gotta keep taping it up I've also had it a few years now, looking to buy a new Tritton headset (don't like Turtle Beach and I've never used Astro) I know true 5.1 surround sound is better than virtual 7.1 but by how much? A lot? Not alot?Agent_Mac47

I just got my Warheads last week, they sound way better than my old AX360s (true 5.1). As far as your question about connecting them directly to your TV, that would work just fine for sound, but you aren't going to be able to use the mic on anything but a 360 no matter how you connect it. It syncs up to the console just like the official wireless mic.

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Considering everything you've said, you probably want the wireless Astro Mixamp, if you can still find one on EBay, since, as NamelessPlayer said, it's no longer available retail. The Astro A30 and wireless mixamp pack are probably ideal for you in your situation, and even got a nod from Head-Fi in their summer headphone guide. Otherwise you're probably going to be stuck with a wireless gaming headset, since none of the "audiophile" manufacturers offer a gaming headset with decent console connectivity. Good luck, Boz

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#10 Agent_Mac47

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[QUOTE="Agent_Mac47"]No, like I said I have got the AX Pro hooked up to my tv with the optical cable so there for I can switch between my Xbox and tv by just changing channels on the tv and I was asking if I could do that with the Warhead because if I could then it's not really Xbox 360 exclusive is it as I would be able to use it with other console and hopefully the new Xbox when it comes out eventually by just changing the HDMI channel on the tv? I only have the Xbox 360 anyway and I am happy with my AX Pro but one of the cups has snapped off, gotta keep taping it up I've also had it a few years now, looking to buy a new Tritton headset (don't like Turtle Beach and I've never used Astro) I know true 5.1 surround sound is better than virtual 7.1 but by how much? A lot? Not alot?HadOne2Many

I just got my Warheads last week, they sound way better than my old AX360s (true 5.1). As far as your question about connecting them directly to your TV, that would work just fine for sound, but you aren't going to be able to use the mic on anything but a 360 no matter how you connect it. It syncs up to the console just like the official wireless mic.

So the Warhead probably sounds a lot better than the AX Pro? What is the positional sound like with the Warhead? I know it won't be as good as the AX Pro but I am willing to choose better sound quality over a little loss of positional sound.

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#11 HadOne2Many

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The only games I've played are Forza and Rocksmith so I may not be much help with this question. I can hear the cars coming up behind me and I can tell which side they are on no problem, but I haven't played any shooters with it.

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#12 Agent_Mac47

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The only games I've played are Forza and Rocksmith so I may not be much help with this question. I can hear the cars coming up behind me and I can tell which side they are on no problem, but I haven't played any shooters with it. HadOne2Many

It's okay thanks anyway, I read somewhere that if you turn on Dolby Headphone you'll be able to hear footsteps better meaning you'll get better positionality. Ive made my mind up now I am going to get the Warhead, was wanting the Astro A50 but could only find it on their own site for £250 and there's noway I am paying that much for a headset, even the price of the Warhead is a bit much but I'll make an exception for them because I like what it has to offer.

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Couldn't find the wireless A30 combo, eh? It's supposedly the best of the Astro headphones, despite costing less than the A40 or A50, have less bloated bass. If you can find the wireless system, I'd still recommend it over the other options; it'll save you some money, too. Happy gaming, Boz

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#14 Agent_Mac47

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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Couldn't find the wireless A30 combo, eh? It's supposedly the best of the Astro headphones, despite costing less than the A40 or A50, have less bloated bass. If you can find the wireless system, I'd still recommend it over the other options; it'll save you some money, too. Happy gaming, Boz

Yeah I saw them on the Astro website but the Warhead seems to make sense to me getting it because I wil only be using it for the Xbox 360 and the Warhead was designed just for that, it seems the A50 only has a bit crispier sound than the Warhead and that seems the only advantage it has got over it and I don't think it justifies the extra £50 I would have to pay over the Warhead. At the end of the day there is always better head sets out there that are worth around £700-£800 and it's down to opinions as well.

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#15 Agent_Mac47

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Actually I have changed my mind I am going to go with the AX Pro+ because what games on the Xbox 360 supports 7.1 surround sound? I've had over 200 Xbox 360 games (including XBLA games) since it came out and I don't think any of them supported 7.1. There is bound to be a true 7.1 headset in the near future so I think I would wait and invest in one of them for the new consoles that are coming out. But as of now I think true 5.1 is really for this generation, my old AX Pro has never let me down (sound wise) so unless someone can convince me that there is a better headset out there (wired or wireless) than the AX Pro+? (I only care about the sound quality and positionality) then these are the headsets I am getting.

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#16 NamelessPlayer

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Actually I have changed my mind I am going to go with the AX Pro+ because what games on the Xbox 360 supports 7.1 surround sound? I've had over 200 Xbox 360 games (including XBLA games) since it came out and I don't think any of them supported 7.1. There is bound to be a true 7.1 headset in the near future so I think I would wait and invest in one of them for the new consoles that are coming out. But as of now I think true 5.1 is really for this generation, my old AX Pro has never let me down (sound wise) so unless someone can convince me that there is a better headset out there (wired or wireless) than the AX Pro+? (I only care about the sound quality and positionality) then these are the headsets I am getting.Agent_Mac47

Did you even read this gaming headphone guide I linked earlier? The AX Pros were reviewed...and considered to be utterly awful. The AX720 with its Dolby Headphone processor would've been a much better choice, and the numerous reviewed audiophile headphones paired with the Astro Mixamp Pro even better still.

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Agent_Mac, I was recommending the A30, NOT the A50. It costs far less than the AX Pro+ and offers superior sound. Nameless and I have both offered far superior and less expensive options. Do what you want; we're merely trying to help you get better results at a lower price. We don't "get" anything out of it other than helping a fellow gamer. Happy gaming, Boz

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#18 Agent_Mac47

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[QUOTE="Agent_Mac47"]Actually I have changed my mind I am going to go with the AX Pro+ because what games on the Xbox 360 supports 7.1 surround sound? I've had over 200 Xbox 360 games (including XBLA games) since it came out and I don't think any of them supported 7.1. There is bound to be a true 7.1 headset in the near future so I think I would wait and invest in one of them for the new consoles that are coming out. But as of now I think true 5.1 is really for this generation, my old AX Pro has never let me down (sound wise) so unless someone can convince me that there is a better headset out there (wired or wireless) than the AX Pro+? (I only care about the sound quality and positionality) then these are the headsets I am getting.NamelessPlayer

Did you even read this gaming headphone guide I linked earlier? The AX Pros were reviewed...and considered to be utterly awful. The AX720 with its Dolby Headphone processor would've been a much better choice, and the numerous reviewed audiophile headphones paired with the Astro Mixamp Pro even better still.

Yeah I read the guide, is it yours? So do you think virtual 7.1 surround is better than true 5.1 surround? To be honest the AX Pro is the only headset I've owned so I can't compare it to any other headsets but what use is it having a 7.1 headset when there's no games out there that supports it? [QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Agent_Mac, I was recommending the A30, NOT the A50. It costs far less than the AX Pro+ and offers superior sound. Nameless and I have both offered far superior and less expensive options. Do what you want; we're merely trying to help you get better results at a lower price. We don't "get" anything out of it other than helping a fellow gamer. Happy gaming, Boz

I understand you and Nameless are trying to help me pick the right headset for me but it's just that I've never heard what a 7.1 headset sounds like, always thought true 5.1 were more superior. Surely the A50 are better than the A30? Money isn't an issue as long as its no more than £250. I've changed my mind yet again and deciding to get the Warhead instead (you see how I am torn between which headset to get?) I've been reading up more on the Warhead and a lot of reviews are postive about it, only knocking off marks because it's expensive and Xbox 360 exclusive (which is only because of the wireless chat integrated for Xbox 360, the sound from cans would still work with other consoles). I like the look of the Astros but it seems I'd have to get the MixAmp Pro with it and it just seems too much hassle plus the Warhead seems a lot easier to deal with, set up and use. Would you still be recommending the A30 over the Warhead?

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5.1 in a pair of headphones means tiny drivers so bad sound. It's that simple.

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I understand you and Nameless are trying to help me pick the right headset for me but it's just that I've never heard what a 7.1 headset sounds like, always thought true 5.1 were more superior. Surely the A50 are better than the A30? Money isn't an issue as long as its no more than £250... I like the look of the Astros but it seems I'd have to get the MixAmp Pro with it and it just seems too much hassle plus the Warhead seems a lot easier to deal with, set up and use. Would you still be recommending the A30 over the Warhead?Agent_Mac47

Greetings Agent_Mac47: I will try to answer all of your questions. First, let me address one assumption: Higher model numbers are not necessarily reflective of better products. This might be true of video card and cars, but not headphones. The Beyerdynamic DT880 is not necessarily better than the DT770, for example, where one is open-back and the other is closed-back. Similarly, a "flagship" model may include additional features, but not necessarily better sound quality. The A30 is a more balanced, even headset than the A40 and even the A50 (and I've auditioned both). If you'd like a second opinion, check out the Head-Fi Summer Buying Guide and look at Page 12. But forget about the A30 for a second: The wireless Mixamp is the real selling point, here. It lets you pair ANY headphone and mic with your consoles, and has a host of connectivity options. Yes, it might be a pain to set up, but it's worth the extra effort if you plan on wearing a headset while console gaming for any period. Besides, you'll have to go through a similar effort with pretty much any other headset anyway. Also, stop -STOP- with the 7.1 vs. 5.1 thing. There is no difference. This is literally a lie from the headphone manufacturers. There are no regulations around this type of claim. The Tritton Warhead uses Dolby Headphone for the same surround sound experience you would get with a $30 Asus Xonar DG card. If you don't believe me, look at their own site. It is a two-channel headset. Anyone licensing Dolby Headphone processing can claim surround sound, digital surround sound, 5.1, 7.1, or whatever. Tritton lies pervasively throughout their site, even claiming, "The World's First and Only Truly Wireless Xbox 360 Headset," only there have been dozens of wireless headsets for the XBox 360 for years. The Turtle Beach PX5 does everything the Warhead does (more, actually), and it did it years ago. Gaming headsets are 90% hype, and 10% product, just like Monster Cable products. In summary, get a better piece of equipment at a lower cost. If you can find the wireless Mixamp without any headset, get it and pair it with a headphone and mic. If you can only find it with the A30 or A40, get the package. Note that the A40 will be more comfy, but the A30 will give you better sound, in general. Happy gaming, Boz

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#21 NamelessPlayer

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Yeah I read the guide, is it yours? So do you think virtual 7.1 surround is better than true 5.1 surround? To be honest the AX Pro is the only headset I've owned so I can't compare it to any other headsets but what use is it having a 7.1 headset when there's no games out there that supports it?Agent_Mac47

I didn't write the headphone guide, no. (I did write a PC gaming guide linked within that guide, but we're talking console gaming here.) The problem with "true" 5.1 surround headsets is that the drivers are crammed next to your ears. There just isn't enough distance to hear much in the way of positioning, and because they're small, low-quality drivers, sound quality just isn't as good. The thing about virtualized surround like Dolby Headphone is that it simulates a home theater speaker system, where there's space between your ears and the virtual speakers. It's not clustered next to your ears; it's outside your head, and this helps immensely when trying to pinpoint what direction the sounds are coming from. I'll defer to Bozanimal's post above on everything else, since anything else I could state would just be reciting his points.

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#22 Agent_Mac47

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[QUOTE="Agent_Mac47"]I understand you and Nameless are trying to help me pick the right headset for me but it's just that I've never heard what a 7.1 headset sounds like, always thought true 5.1 were more superior. Surely the A50 are better than the A30? Money isn't an issue as long as its no more than £250... I like the look of the Astros but it seems I'd have to get the MixAmp Pro with it and it just seems too much hassle plus the Warhead seems a lot easier to deal with, set up and use. Would you still be recommending the A30 over the Warhead?Bozanimal

In summary, get a better piece of equipment at a lower cost. If you can find the wireless Mixamp without any headset, get it and pair it with a headphone and mic. If you can only find it with the A30 or A40, get the package. Note that the A40 will be more comfy, but the A30 will give you better sound, in general. Happy gaming, Boz

Everybody who has commented on this topic have convinced me not to get a "true" 5.1 headset what with it only having small drivers and not very good sound quality. I can only find the A30 on the Astro site for £150 and that's with the Mixamp I would just go ahead and get it but a few things that put me off buying it is that; I would have to keep buying AA batteries (even the rechargeable ones have got to be replace eventually) also the fact that there's going to be wires from the actual headset AND from the Mixamp and finally I haven't the faintest idea on how I would configure the Mixamp since ive never actually had one before. I appreciate you recommending me the A30 as the headset to get for gaming but it just seems the Warhead is more for me what with me having just an Xbox 360 and the fact that it is completely wireless and that the hot-swap-able batteries you get with the headset is great. About when Tritton say their Warhead is the 'Worlds first and truly wireless Xbox 360 headset' I think they are right but only because of the wireless chat so really you can say they just greatly exaggerated about that. At least I know that getting the Warhead I am going to get better sound quality than my old AX Pro which I've always thought sounded great but only because it's the only headset ive owned and it's obviously going to be better than tv speakers, you will probably say I would get better sound quality from the A30 and I would believe you but put your self in my position being an Xbox 360 gamer would you not just get the Warhead? Because it has everything you need from an Xbox 360 headset and the whole wireless and battery situation is convenient. Thanks for helping a fellow gamer out, much appreciated.

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Based on your response I think you'll probably be happiest with the Warhead. As much as you're looking for sound, the convenience of wireless is obviously very important to you, which is totally understandable. It's probably your best option given the features for which you are looking. I was going to come back after I discovered Sennheiser adapted one of their excellent headphones for use with the XBox 360, but it, too, is wired, which kills the deal for you. Good luck, and enjoy your new headphones! Happy gaming, Boz

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There's such a thing as TRUE 5.1 headphones? How's that possible? ...from my experience you can't go wrong with Sennheiser. In fact, if you live in the US, you ought to wait till mid to late November. Amazon is a large carrier of Sennheiser and brands like AKG. These are two of the best, IMO. Grado, as well. Anyways, I frequently see those two brands go on sale, and with the holiday coming up you may be able to get a killer deal. Last year--could have been two years ago--I bough a pair of hd600s for $200. If you plan on spending a lot I also suggest seeing if there is a Stereo store in your area. Everybodys ears are slightly different, so you may prefer one sound signature over the other.

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#25 HadOne2Many

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There's such a thing as TRUE 5.1 headphones? How's that possible? Heirren

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@HadOne2Many - That Tritton headphone is not a true 5.1 or 7.1 headphone, because it is not possible for a 5.1 or 7.1 headphone to exist. Headphones are unable to have a dedicated center channel: The audio is matrixed. Happy gaming, Boz

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#27 HadOne2Many

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You may be right about the center channel, but they sure are marketed as True 5.1. From the manufacturer: "Dominate the leaderboards with the TRITTON Pro+ 5.1 True Surround Headset. Featuring eight precision-balanced speakers that accurately reproduce a 3D sound field, you gain the competitive edge by hearing each and every disturbance within a game's atmosphere." Not trying to argue with you, just trying to answer Heirren's question.

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