UBISOFT continues to alienate customers

About piracy you're just making random excuses that don't make sense (it's a fact that a lot of people play their games, when you look in any place, apparently everyone experienced most of their games, but for some unknown reasons all that happens contradicts the money they make from their games, might not be 95%, but it's at least 60% on both PC and Xbox), what I said is not relevant was the part where you say "it's not piracy because other companies make money".

As I said in my previous post with that example, it's a naive thing to say or probably you don't understand how the world works. Here's another example, this time easier to understand, just because Bill Gates has billions in shares and hundreds of millions in his pocket, it doesn't mean that you'll make even 1 million $ in your entire life.

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"] Ask yourself, how is that relevant? Ubisoft makes no money on PC, why do you think they should care about other companies that make a decent profit? they don't care and they shouldn't, it's not their business. rhazzy

It's relevant because their excuse for not making money is piracy; and the fact that plenty of other companies make profits on PC games completely discredits that excuse.

There is no such thing as "plenty of bla bla"...How many company's are making Triple A games on PC with a profit that can sustain the initial investment???

Some Vale games,The Witcher,The Sims series maybe CoD series and SC series...Ofc there are alot of other games out there which makes profits but those games are low to mid budged games...How many companys can afford to spend 100 mil $ on a game and make profits solely on PC?I think u can count them on the fingers of one hand...So when you say "plenty bla bla" it sound unlogical...

In order to make good games with high quality developers needs a lot of money...the PC market cannot sustain big budged games...that would mean every big budged game would have to sell 1 mil + on PC alone(to cover the cost and make nice profits)...How many games on pc sell millions these days?And not when they are on sale with 10 bucks...iam talking about full price...very very few games do that...

So NO...the word "plenty" cannot be associated with making money on PC or profits...

And ofc how many Triple A games makes profits on console?The majority of the big budged games make decent to huge profits on console alone:

AC series

FIFA series

Oblivion and Skyrim made the most profit on xbox360

Mass Effect series

LA Noir

GTA series

Gears of War

Dragon Age

Dead Space series

Bioshock series

Batman AA & AC

Resident Evil series

CoD series

NFS series

Crysis 2

Homefront

Fallout NV

Almost every exclusive,either for ps3 or xbox

Even BF 3 sold more on consoles

etc ,etc, etc,...

So what we'r talking about here??

You need to reread my post. Nowhere did I say anything about exclusives. In fact, I didn't even discuss wether PC or consoles made more money and don't care to do so. PC games include ports of console games just like console games include ports of PC games. So my point stands.

As to what you're talking about here, I honestly have no idea as it had nothing to do with the post I made.

About piracy you're just making random excuses that don't make sense (it's a fact that a lot of people play their games, when you look in any place, apparently everyone experienced most of their games, but for some unknown reasons all that happens contradicts the money they make from their games, might not be 95%, but it's at least 60% on both PC and Xbox), what I said is not relevant was the part where you say "it's not piracy because other companies make money".

As I said in my previous post with that example, it's a naive thing ro say or probably you don't understand how the world works. Here's another example, this time easier to understand, just because Bill Gates has billions in shares and hundreds of millions in his pocket, it doesn't mean that you'll make even 1 million $ in your entire life.

DanielDust

I'm not sure if your just trolling me or if you intentionally or ignoring my point, but i get the feeling it's the former so this will be my last attempt to explain.

Ubi blames piracy for the reason their PC games don't make a profit. The fact is they have no way to know whether that's true because every pirated games doesn't represent a lost sale. Many pirates would never spend a dime on a game while others may buy a game even after they pirate it. There is simply no way to know how many sales are actually lost. More to the point, Ubi has no way to track every copy of their games being pirated. The only thing Ubi can state with certainty is they are not profitable on PCs; everything else is speculation on their part.

On the other hand, almost every game ever made has been pirated, yet many devs are still profitable. This includes games with no DRM or multiplayer components. So obviously there are more factors than just piracy at work that determine why a PC game is or isn't profitable.

Could it be that in Ubisofts case that it is only due to piracy? Yes, anything is possible. However, based on the backlash against their always online DRM and the complaints about the changes they have made to some of their games, there is a strong likelyhood there are more plausible reasons for their lack of profits.

Finally, your Bill Gates analogy simply doesn't work as I am not in the same position as Mr. Gates. On the other hand, comparing Ubisoft to other devs such as EA, Activision, Valve, Capcom, etc. makes sense because they are in the same fields, share the same audience, have comparable resources, and have the same obstacles (namely piracy).

However, in the event this doesn't sway you, rather than continue a pointless argument I think it best that we simply agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

It's relevant because their excuse for not making money is piracy; and the fact that plenty of other companies make profits on PC games completely discredits that excuse.

myke2010

There is no such thing as "plenty of bla bla"...How many company's are making Triple A games on PC with a profit that can sustain the initial investment???

Some Vale games,The Witcher,The Sims series maybe CoD series and SC series...Ofc there are alot of other games out there which makes profits but those games are low to mid budged games...How many companys can afford to spend 100 mil $ on a game and make profits solely on PC?I think u can count them on the fingers of one hand...So when you say "plenty bla bla" it sound unlogical...

In order to make good games with high quality developers needs a lot of money...the PC market cannot sustain big budged games...that would mean every big budged game would have to sell 1 mil + on PC alone(to cover the cost and make nice profits)...How many games on pc sell millions these days?And not when they are on sale with 10 bucks...iam talking about full price...very very few games do that...

So NO...the word "plenty" cannot be associated with making money on PC or profits...

And ofc how many Triple A games makes profits on console?The majority of the big budged games make decent to huge profits on console alone:

AC series

FIFA series

Oblivion and Skyrim made the most profit on xbox360

Mass Effect series

LA Noir

GTA series

Gears of War

Dragon Age

Dead Space series

Bioshock series

Batman AA & AC

Resident Evil series

CoD series

NFS series

Crysis 2

Homefront

Fallout NV

Almost every exclusive,either for ps3 or xbox

Even BF 3 sold more on consoles

etc ,etc, etc,...

So what we'r talking about here??

You need to reread my post. Nowhere did I say anything about exclusives. In fact, I didn't even discuss wether PC or consoles made more money and don't care to do so. PC games include ports of console games just like console games include ports of PC games. So my point stands.

As to what you're talking about here, I honestly have no idea as it had nothing to do with the post I made.

PC market is not making enough money for Ubisoft.

The online DRM is not the cause of why Ubi dosent make money on PC.

This online DRM was implemented as a result of poor sales of Ubi games on PC...not the other way around

First ubisoft was using DRM and they were not making money on pc then the online drm came

Now Ubi is using online DRM and they are not making any money on pc...DO YOU GET IT NOW?Even if they wouldnt implemented this online DRM they wouldnt made more money...

So...Ubi+old DRM = not enough profits to sustain some of their games/////Ubi+Online DRM =not enough profits to sustain some of their games

DO you GET IT NOW??? It dosent matter which DRM do they use...they were not making enough profits in the first place...dosent matter if they lose some of their costumers...those customers werent enough in the first place...so what if half of them will no longer buy Ubi games?

Wake up to the real world...companys needs to make money...so they could make games every couple of years...if that circle is discontinued problems starts to pop up...

The PC market cannot sustain with money a lot of big titles games...thats the truth.There arent so many customers which are able/willing to buy every Triple A titles that comes out every year.

In this equation everything is a variable...DRM's change,games change etc...the only invariable is PIRACY...So yeah,when a company is blaming piracy they are pretty much right

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

There is no such thing as "plenty of bla bla"...How many company's are making Triple A games on PC with a profit that can sustain the initial investment???

Some Vale games,The Witcher,The Sims series maybe CoD series and SC series...Ofc there are alot of other games out there which makes profits but those games are low to mid budged games...How many companys can afford to spend 100 mil $ on a game and make profits solely on PC?I think u can count them on the fingers of one hand...So when you say "plenty bla bla" it sound unlogical...

In order to make good games with high quality developers needs a lot of money...the PC market cannot sustain big budged games...that would mean every big budged game would have to sell 1 mil + on PC alone(to cover the cost and make nice profits)...How many games on pc sell millions these days?And not when they are on sale with 10 bucks...iam talking about full price...very very few games do that...

So NO...the word "plenty" cannot be associated with making money on PC or profits...

And ofc how many Triple A games makes profits on console?The majority of the big budged games make decent to huge profits on console alone:

AC series

FIFA series

Oblivion and Skyrim made the most profit on xbox360

Mass Effect series

LA Noir

GTA series

Gears of War

Dragon Age

Dead Space series

Bioshock series

Batman AA & AC

Resident Evil series

CoD series

NFS series

Crysis 2

Homefront

Fallout NV

Almost every exclusive,either for ps3 or xbox

Even BF 3 sold more on consoles

etc ,etc, etc,...

So what we'r talking about here??

rhazzy

You need to reread my post. Nowhere did I say anything about exclusives. In fact, I didn't even discuss wether PC or consoles made more money and don't care to do so. PC games include ports of console games just like console games include ports of PC games. So my point stands.

As to what you're talking about here, I honestly have no idea as it had nothing to do with the post I made.

PC market is not making enough money for Ubisoft.

The online DRM is not the cause of why Ubi dosent make money on PC.

This online DRM was implemented as a result of poor sales of Ubi games on PC...not the other way around

First ubisoft was using DRM and they were not making money on pc then the online drm came

Now Ubi is using online DRM and they are not making any money on pc...DO YOU GET IT NOW?Even if they wouldnt implemented this online DRM they wouldnt made more money...

So...Ubi+old DRM = not enough profits to sustain some of their games/////Ubi+Online DRM =not enough profits to sustain some of their games

DO you GET IT NOW??? It dosent matter which DRM do they use...they were not making enough profits in the first place...dosent matter if they lose some of their costumers...those customers werent enough in the first place...so what if half of them will no longer buy Ubi games?

Wake up to the real world...companys needs to make money...so they could make games every couple of years...if that circle is discontinued problems starts to pop up...

The PC market cannot sustain with money a lot of big titles games...thats the truth.There arent so many customers which are able/willing to buy every Triple A titles that comes out every year.

In this equation everything is a variable...DRM's change,games change etc...the only invariable is PIRACY...So yeah,when a company is blaming piracy they are pretty much right

Here's some actual facts for you.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/07/opinion-ubisoft-piracy-and-the-death-of-reason/

However, Ubisoft provides a test-case. We are almost two years into its aggressive attack on PC piracy. Recently, Ubisoftcalled its "always-on" DRM a success, claiming "a clear reduction in piracy."

In terms of actual sales, however, the results seem decidedly mixed. Michael Pachter told Eurogamer that Ubisoft's "PC game sales are down 90% without a corresponding lift in console sales."

Pachter framed the problem in terms of piracy, as I'm sure Ubisoft frames the problem, but a 90% decline in PC sales is a catastrophic number. If piracy were the problem, then their "successful" DRM policy should have prevented such a free-fall.

Instead, PC gamers have stopped buying Ubisoft games. In fact, the decline of sales even calls into question the decline in piracy rates. All we know for sure is that Ubisoft have stopped people from playing their games. Full stop.

In other words, Ubisoft sales went down 90% after they started implementing unresonable DRM.

@GeneralShowzer

You do realise thats exactly what ived said?

Even if from 100 who were buying till now ubisoft products, and after the implementing online DRm they went to only 10...it dosent matter...Ubisoft didnt make profits even when 100 were buying their products...does it matter if only 10 are buying it now?

I just said what you quoted in ur post...

P.S. Do you even know who Michael Pachter???Never ever..and i mean EVER..his predictions came true...So ur going to quote someone who has his entire life said something about something but he was never right?! Really?

I cant take what you say as a fact but Michael Pacther?LOL...no.

On a scale of 1 to 10 Michael's Pacther credibility would be -5...So yeah,what i said still stand up...

And btw how are they facts???...hahahahahahaha...man...AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHa...common dude...

This wasn't a prediction, he was stating a statistic which I'm sure he has access to,as the most respected gaming analyst.

I still don't see any source, you're just making stuff up. Ubisoft doesn't make sales data for each separate game public. They don't make the profit margin from each platform public.Not before implrementing the DRM and not now.

What you said is basically something you pulled out of your ***.

This wasn't a prediction, he was stating a statistic which I'm sure he has access to,as the most respected gaming analyst. I still don't see any source, you're just making stuff up. Ubisoft doesn't make sales data public. They don't make the profit margin from each platform public. What you said is basically something you pulled out of your ***.GeneralShowzer

He dosent have any source as well...

And to lose things up a bit...i can say iam better analyst than him :)...Michael Pachter was wrong his whole life with his predictions about gaming...I for one...from the couple of predictions about gaming market which i made to my dog one night...i was once right and once wrong...so mathematical iam a better analyst than him. :D

On what his assumption are based on?Is just his personal opinion...By his logic Ubisoft try's to sabotage them self, cut them self's from PC gaming market for no reason...i mean common really?they may be a lot of stupid people working for Ubi but they are not that stupid...they just realised that on PC market they loose money(not with all their titles)...You do know that Ubi have analysts which work for them as well...probably they were the one who told them to drop the pc market...its only logical...

And i dont need no proof or source...we are debating something...i dont say i own the absolute truth...i may be wrong...but from all that was said here my comments, DanielDust's and some other dude comments where the only logical and somehow valid comments...the rest was rage towards Ubisoft or trashtalk

Just bought AC:R and it doesn't work. I've noticed I'm not the only one with the problem I have.

Color me unimpressed, Ubisoft. Bethesda doesn't have any problem making money off their PC games, despite piracy ...

Just bought AC:R and it doesn't work. I've noticed I'm not the only one with the problem I have.

Color me unimpressed, Ubisoft. Bethesda doesn't have any problem making money off their PC games, despite piracy ...

slateman_basic

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]

Just bought AC:R and it doesn't work. I've noticed I'm not the only one with the problem I have.

Color me unimpressed, Ubisoft. Bethesda doesn't have any problem making money off their PC games, despite piracy ...

FelipeInside

I really don't get you guys...

If Ubisoft don't make any money on PC then why do they keep making new games for PC (Anno 2070, Assassin's Creed revelation, Hero of Might and Magic 6 ect.) That just doesn't make sense for a big company like Ubisoft to try to make money on something that you guys said that they can't.

If their Always-Online DRM worked then why 95% of their consumers will pirate their games? That just doenst make any sense either. If the DRM work then I'll understand that they keep the DRM on their games but Always-Online DRM is annoying and doenst work, so why not use that money to make good games insted?

Sales number Console Vs PC? No one know the true number. Dev/pubs only tell us the shipped number of xx games and retailers don't tell you how many xx games sold and the most important the "Sale number" that people get from the Internet doesnt count Digital sale. Digital Sales is what make PC so strong but if you don't count it when compare it with console then why compare it?

I admit that piracy hurt the game industry some how (can't say how much) but by saying that 95% of PC players is a pirate thats just to much to take...

Maybe u didnt understand me or i didnt explained clearly...yeah u went on about piracy

PC market is not making enough money for Ubisoft.

The online DRM is not the cause of why Ubi dosent make money on PC.

This online DRM was implemented as a result of poor sales of Ubi games on PC...not the other way around

First ubisoft was using DRM and they were not making money on pc then the online drm came

Now Ubi is using online DRM and they are not making any money on pc...DO YOU GET IT NOW?Even if they wouldnt implemented this online DRM they wouldnt made more money...

So...Ubi+old DRM = not enough profits to sustain some of their games/////Ubi+Online DRM =not enough profits to sustain some of their games

DO you GET IT NOW??? It dosent matter which DRM do they use...they were not making enough profits in the first place...dosent matter if they lose some of their costumers...those customers werent enough in the first place...so what if half of them will no longer buy Ubi games?

Wake up to the real world...companys needs to make money...so they could make games every couple of years...if that circle is discontinued problems starts to pop up...

The PC market cannot sustain with money a lot of big titles games...thats the truth.There arent so many customers which are able/willing to buy every Triple A titles that comes out every year.

In this equation everything is a variable...DRM's change,games change etc...the only invariable is PIRACY...So yeah,when a company is blaming piracy they are pretty much right

rhazzy

Most of the games I own are from Ubisoft. I can tell you that over the years, I stoppeed buying the games that they made depending on the game. I haaven't bought an R6 game since Ubi made Black Thorn for Rogue Spear. I haven't bought a Ghost Recon game sinceGRAW was released (and I still haven't played it and the only reason I bought it was due to Bo Andersson who Ubi flew me to interview). I haven't bought a Splinter Cell game since Pandora Tomorrow. I haven't bought Silent Hunter 5 due to it's changes to attract "mainstream" gamers (Ubi's words on who it wanted to attract) and most of all, I haven't bought iL2: Cliffs of Dover though I really wanted it (Ubi's OSP DRM) though I have everything including iL2 1946. I have completely quit buying Ubisoft games and I am not alone. There was a 250+ page thread on the Ubi forums (I started it by the way) on Ubi's OSP DRM and time and again, the response was people were not going to buy the games until Ubi removed it. For those who did buy games with it, they have sworn off Ubi games due to it and the hassles it gives gamers.

Ubi has had a love/hate relationship with PC gamers. For the longest time, they were the company to buy niche market games from be it naval RTS games to flight sims and Tac-Sims. While they still have ONE flight sim, their once niche market games are no longer the games that defined a genre and won GOTY (actually 2 of them), but now the games are run of the mill shooters that do not share anything with the orginals but a name. All those gamers who loved those games have been given the boot by Ubi and told to sod off. I haven't followed how well Cliffs of Dover is doing, but last I heard, it still needed work. The deal is, Ubi had built in customers who would have snapped everything and anything up for those games if they hadn't changed them to something they weren't.

Ubi has been blaming pirates for their lack of sales for a long time, but combined with shoddy ports (Lockdown, Vegas, Vegas 2 to name a few), PC gamers have stopped buying their BS.

Think about this, while it does not necessarily have much to do with the above topic, you have to ask yourself why Crytek and Eagle Dynamics took their goodies and ran from Ubisoft. Eagle Dynamics are doing well enough that they took LoMac in new directions and now, we have DCS Black Shark and A-10. Crytek has come out with new games sans Ubi and has done very well. Why are two companies that onoce used Ubi as a publisher doing so well on their own?

I really don't get you guys...

If Ubisoft don't make any money on PC then why do they keep making new games for PC (Anno 2070, Assassin's Creed revelation, Hero of Might and Magic 6 ect.) That just doesn't make sense for a big company like Ubisoft to try to make money on something that you guys said that they can't.

If their Always-Online DRM worked then why 95% of their consumers will pirate their games? That just doenst make any sense eighter. If the DRM work then I'll understand that they keep the DRM on their games but Always-Online DRM is annoying and doenst work, so why not use that money to make good games insted?

Sales number Console Vs PC? No one know the true number. Dev/pubs only tell us the shipped number of xx games and retailers don't tell you how much xx games sold and the most important the "Sale number" that people see on the Internet doesnt count Digital sale. Digital Sales is what make PC so strong but if you don't count it when compare it with console then why compare it?

I admit that piracy hurt the game industry some how (can't say how much) but by saying that 95% of PC players is a pirate thats just to much to take...

DarkblueNinja

I continue to alienate UBISOFT games from my computer.

Even if you bought games from UBISOFT you can still remove the DRM, FYI.

I continue to alienate UBISOFT games from my computer.

Even if you bought games from UBISOFT you can still remove the DRM, FYI.

Goro69