'Ubisoft: PC has Piracy Rate of 93-95'

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

"PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated"

CAN YOU EVEN READ

NailedGR

Your edit doesn't change anything I said. And anyone that believes the legit to pirated copy ratio is that high has serious cognitive problems.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"] Edited my previous post. Crytek themselves actually pointed to 90-95% piracy half a year after Crysis launched. That said, no reason to be rude.Mazoch

Your edit doesn't change anything I said. And anyone that believes the legit to pirated copy ratio is that high has serious cognitive problems.

crysis ended up selling 3 million plus copies so i'm sure they did fine. if only 5 percent of the market payed, they wouldn't be wasting there time on pc. Still you are relying on numbers produced about piracy from companies , the same companies that have said piracy is killing us, we are loosing billions to piracy, used games sales are killing us.

It would be using the defendent in a court case as a experet witness. They all have confimation bias and will read numbers how they want to.

:lol: So they think they only get 1/20th of the sales they actually deserve. Using this logic, this means that they think...

- Crysis should've sold 42-60 million copies

- The Sims should've sold 320 million copies

- The Sims 2 should've sold 400 million copies (LOL WTF are they smoking crack in their offices?)

- Diablo 3 should've sold 200 million copies

And of course all of their own titles should've sold 20x more than they did. :lol:

Ubisoft has their heads so far up their own asses...

If this was even remotely true Ubisoft would stop developing for a lost platform. 95% is a HUGE amount of piracy and seems way over the top and if it were true why would they stay making games for the system?

seanmcloughlin

And on top of that, making a digital download platform

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

If this was even remotely true Ubisoft would stop developing for a lost platform. 95% is a HUGE amount of piracy and seems way over the top and if it were true why would they stay making games for the system?

wis3boi

And on top of that, making a digital download platform

Because they're switching to f2p, as the article says... They already failed there with Ghost Recon Whatever.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]It seems about right, if we consider the insanely high number of people that play games of any kind on PCs, it's however another story when it comes to high profile gaming, tho it's probably right for Ubisoft considering they have the most pirated games on PC, even AC which is extremely popular isn't so hot.DanielDust

Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

lame -.-

Asking Porn Stars how many of them have had sex.

I think a survey of like, Reddit gamers, or Gamespot gamers or something would work better. Sure piracy is high on PC, but 93-95% is the sort of high rate you don't even see for deadly viruses that are considered to have incredibly high mortality rates.

In my life I've never pirated a game even when it was incredibly easy to do so, the only time I ever had a pirated game was a PC version of San Andreas someone gave me, but I already owned the game on PS2 (twice, first time it broke so I got the Triple pack), and got it during the GTA Sale on Steam where every GTA game was like $10. Plus, I'm not the one who bought the damn pirated version or asked for it anyways.

Asking Porn Stars how many of them have had sex.

I think a survey of like, Reddit gamers, or Gamespot gamers or something would work better. Sure piracy is high on PC, but 93-95% is the sort of high rate you don't even see for deadly viruses that are considered to have incredibly high mortality rates.

In my life I've never pirated a game even when it was incredibly easy to do so, the only time I ever had a pirated game was a PC version of San Andreas someone gave me, but I already owned the game on PS2 (twice, first time it broke so I got the Triple pack), and got it during the GTA Sale on Steam where every GTA game was like $10. Plus, I'm not the one who bought the damn pirated version or asked for it anyways.

SPYDER0416

same here bought all my PC games.

only time i downloaded a game was Freedom Fighters. the disc broke so i just downloaded the game.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]I kinda guessing and making assumptions here... First, I think there are far far more PC Gamers than 2-10 million. Remeber WoW alone has around 9 million paying subs. Diablo 3 selling 10 million copies (I think). STEAM apparently has 54 million active users. So I think that part of the reason is that even if there's a 80-90% piracy rate, the market is so big that there's still room for a lot of developers to succeed. Second, MMO's and multi-player centric games tend to be largely unaffected (or at least less affected) by piracy. MMO's, BF3, LoL, DOTA, Diablo 3, Rift are all sheltered from piracy and are generating a lot of revenue. Third, Casual games are generating a lot of money as well. Games like the Sims and Bejweled tend to target a demographic that not really considered 'gamers' but who do buy the occational game. My guess is that those games are piratted a lot less than games that tend to target the more 'hardcore' demographic. Just to be clear, those are guesses on my part, but casual games are generating a lot of revenue. Facebook is anoter major source of revenue. Bottomline is that there are far more people playing games on the PC than there are on all the consoles added together. So even with high piracy rates, there's a lot of revenue generated.Makari

15:1 is still madness (though 95% is 20:1 and that's the number quoted, not 90%). You act like indie developers complaining about piracy gives more authenticity to the situation, BUT indie developers might have a case for the 95% piracy complaint - seeing they aren't as reputable, their games are DRM free, small in file-size, and commonly don't require meaty gaming machines.

Home from work and figured I'd clarify a couple of points

1) I did misread the statement. I thought the article talked about piracy specific to Ubisoft. As a universally average across all games and developers, 95% sounds much higher than what numbers seem to indicate. Mea Culpa.

2) There are a lot of data that suggest that 80-90% is common rates of piracy. While that doesn't mean that all games are pirated at that rate it seems to be closest we can get to a 'normal' piracy rate for a lot of PC Games. While numbers are very broad, inaccurate and impossible to verify, the fact that they are echoed by numerous different developers seem significant to me.

3) With that said, I still believe that Ubisoft alone seeing rates of 95% sounds possible. High, sure, but not crazy or impossible. I'm saying this based on the number of developers who've pointed to 80-90% and when considering how unpopular Ubisoft is among a lot of PC Gamers and how intrusive their DRM has become, it doesn't seem unlikely that they are pirated at a rate higher than other developers.

4) While people here hate to acknowledge it, developers from a pretty long list of studios have pointed to rates of 80-90% with a fair degree of consistency.

5) This does not mean that PC Gaming are, on average, pirated at 80 or 90% of the time. In fact it doesn't even make sense to try to come up with an average without figuring out what you're including (do you include MMO's in that number, what about free to play games, DLC packs?).

6) While I believe that a lot of PC Games are pirated at very high rates, it does not mean that PC Gaming is dead, dying, failing or that PC Gamers are inherently pirates.

When looking at piracy rates, I think you really need to look at WHERE the piracy is taking place, although this is a global economy, and with the internet we are going to be part of a global community.

Now, in let's say, eastern europe, where people have next to no disposable income and perhaps the rule of law isn't exactly a big deal to them, I could see most people pirating and perhaps even all people with an internet connection pirating.

Now when we look at first world countries, I would say that the piracy:legit ratio would be the inverse of the poorer rule by force countries.

For instance the witcher 2 was pirated 4.5 million times, I'd bet that almost all of that isn't coming from first world countries.

Even if it's true, I don't think it's good for business to say 95% of your audience are filthy pirates. I'm the 5%nutcrackr

Wallstreet thinks its great, there stock rose 17.20 percent today. But still ubsoft needs to stop digging a whole in pc market, a market that has soon major growth, heck they even now developed a clinet to get in on it.

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]Even if it's true, I don't think it's good for business to say 95% of your audience are filthy pirates. I'm the 5%James161324

Wallstreet thinks its great, there stock rose 17.20 percent today. But still ubsoft needs to stop digging a whole in pc market, a market that has soon major growth, heck they even now developed a clinet to get in on it.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/22/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-93-95-f2p-the-future

"On PC it's only around five to seven per cent of the players who pay for F2P, but normally on PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated. It's around a 93-95 per cent piracy rate, so it ends up at about the same percentage" -Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

According to Ubisoft 93-95% of PC gamers are pirates... Ubisoft has always been pretty stupid when it comes to piracy and DRM, but this is a new low.

EDIT: Link should be working now

heatfanman101

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

msfan1289

lame -.-

i think there's a math interpretation/terminology problem.

the only way that 95% ratio makes sense is if that were said to be the piracy rate for 1 copy. in other words, for each genuine copy sold, 0.95 copies are pirated. in yet other words, for each 100 genuine copies sold, 95 are pirated.

a bought-to-pirated ratio of 1:0.95 makes a lot more sense than 5:95

i think there's a math interpretation/terminology problem.

the only way that 95% ratio makes sense is if that were said to be the piracy rate for 1 copy. in other words, for each genuine copy sold, 0.95 copies are pirated. in yet other words, for each 100 genuine copies sold, 95 are pirated.

a bought-to-pirated ratio of 1:0.95 makes a lot more sense than 5:95

Kh1ndjal

still wrong they are saying out of 100 pc gamers only 5-7 actually pay for games, the other 93-95 pirate them

just wondering wat DRM will AC3 will have :Pbadtaker

im sure something you will have to sign saying that you sell your soul to Ubisoft so you can just play AC 3

That stat seems kinda high to me.

what about consoles games?? the stat should be about the same for consoles, hell everyday there are ways to play burn copies of games and ways of "chipping" your console to play burned games, the Wii is the very easiest console to play downloaded games from a external hard drive. so Ubisoft need to STFU.

It's right. Even though I always prefer to play on pc I admit that. Pc is a pirate haven. But this shouldn't be an excuse for horrid drm.

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]

i think there's a math interpretation/terminology problem.

the only way that 95% ratio makes sense is if that were said to be the piracy rate for 1 copy. in other words, for each genuine copy sold, 0.95 copies are pirated. in yet other words, for each 100 genuine copies sold, 95 are pirated.

a bought-to-pirated ratio of 1:0.95 makes a lot more sense than 5:95

James161324

still wrong they are saying out of 100 pc gamers only 5-7 actually pay for games, the other 93-95 pirate them

maybe their games due to the hate they have gained from ridiculous DRMs, but not all games.

Eh not gonna lie, he MAY be right. Most of my friends pirate Single Player games, they say why pay for something when you can just pirate it. I was try to encourge them to buy their games but... This is the typical discussion between me and my friend: Friend: Hey is Deus Ex good? Me: Yeah One of my Favorite games... Friend: Should I pirate it? Me: No, its an amazing game, the people who made that deserve the money Friend: Let me rephrase that: Should I get Deus Ex? Me: Not if your gonna steal it. Friend: Its not stealing, the game is still there, its not like a stealing a car where the owner loses a car, would the owner care if his car was stolen but his car was still with him? Me: Its not that simple, "stealing" has a more broad definition....if everyone had the same mindset like that the gaming world would not exist as it does today. Friend: Yeah, with that mindset the gaming world would be amazing Me:.......dracolich55

Just kill your friend, Deus Ex HR costs like 5 bucks.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Eh not gonna lie, he MAY be right. Most of my friends pirate Single Player games, they say why pay for something when you can just pirate it. I was try to encourge them to buy their games but... This is the typical discussion between me and my friend: Friend: Hey is Deus Ex good? Me: Yeah One of my Favorite games... Friend: Should I pirate it? Me: No, its an amazing game, the people who made that deserve the money Friend: Let me rephrase that: Should I get Deus Ex? Me: Not if your gonna steal it. Friend: Its not stealing, the game is still there, its not like a stealing a car where the owner loses a car, would the owner care if his car was stolen but his car was still with him? Me: Its not that simple, "stealing" has a more broad definition....if everyone had the same mindset like that the gaming world would not exist as it does today. Friend: Yeah, with that mindset the gaming world would be amazing Me:.......GummiRaccoon

Just kill your friend, Deus Ex HR costs like 5 bucks.

I don't really care, if they weren't making money they would stop making PC versions.. so they should just stfu.