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#51 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="gmaster456"]

Ubuntu has become a heavy OS. The last reletively light version of it I remember was 8.04. Windows 7 actually ran better for me than 10.04 on one of my other machines. If you want a good, light Windows alternative, I would take a look at Zoron OS 5. Its essentially a windows clone and you can set it to work like any MS OS from Windows 2000 up to Windows 7 and even Mac OSX

http://zorin-os.com/index.html

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Is he for real?

Yes he is.

But how? I thought games and whatever else were a pain to get working on Linux. :?
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#52 jun_aka_pekto
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Linux might become a more attractive alternative if apps like LibreOffice were "exlusive" to it. But, as it turns out, most Linux apps are available for Windows as well. Heck, KDE has a nice math graphing applet (KmPlot) that I liked among others. Even those and KDE itself is available for Windows.

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#53 GummiRaccoon
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Linux might become a more attractive alternative if apps like LibreOffice were "exlusive" to it. But, as it turns out, most Linux apps are available for Windows as well. Heck, KDE has a nice math graphing applet (KmPlot) that I liked among others. Even those and KDE itself is available for Windows.

jun_aka_pekto

Such is what happens with open source.

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#54 gmaster456
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Is he for real?Hexagon_777
Yes he is.

But how? I thought games and whatever else were a pain to get working on Linux. :?

It varies on a game by game basis. Personally, I wouldn't use Linux for gaming. But that's me. It seems to work fine for a lot of people though.
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#55 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Linux might become a more attractive alternative if apps like LibreOffice were "exlusive" to it. But, as it turns out, most Linux apps are available for Windows as well. Heck, KDE has a nice math graphing applet (KmPlot) that I liked among others. Even those and KDE itself is available for Windows.

GummiRaccoon

Such is what happens with open source.

Linux needs a polished set of unique or "exclusive" apps to set itelf apart from Windows; something similar to the iLife suite that comes bundled with OSX. iLife is one reason why I like OSX, at least enough for me to buy a Mac Mini.

Perhaps, a 3rd-party will step up and provide it someday. Otherwise, the most widespread Linux-based OS I will use will be Android on tablets.

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#56 JigglyWiggly_
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hahaha that vid is lol better performance... in wine CAN happen. For games? lolno graphics performance in native applications is worse, wine is a lot worse. Not to mention punkbuster is unsupported in wine.

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#57 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Is he for real?Hexagon_777
Yes he is.

But how? I thought games and whatever else were a pain to get working on Linux. :?

I'm currently using Zorin for the Heck of it myself . . .

My opinion:Making Linux Run like Windows. Really Defeats the purpose of wanting to switch to Linux in the first place - isnt it?

The only main difference I see would be security. Performance maybe? Its kinda sluggish at times....

And As "Jiggly" said, you won't be able to have All games work with Wine, nor will you get the quality..

Its almost a Shame that W98 couldnt be made OpenSource - I really miss that OS.

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#58 jun_aka_pekto
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Its almost a Shame that W98 couldnt be made OpenSource - I really miss that OS.

Xsan3

No thanks. I hated juggling IRQs around even though I was quite adept at it.

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#59 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

Its almost a Shame that W98 couldnt be made OpenSource - I really miss that OS.

jun_aka_pekto

No thanks. I hated juggling IRQs around even though I was quite adept at it.

In the sense that W98 could be reworked of course. I would have No idea how it could be done? But in its day, I was using W98 well up into the early 2000's. Up until x64 bit arrived..
The need of only 16-32mb's to run just seems incredible from today's OS standards.

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#60 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

Its almost a Shame that W98 couldnt be made OpenSource - I really miss that OS.

Xsan3

No thanks. I hated juggling IRQs around even though I was quite adept at it.

In the sense that W98 could be reworked of course. I would have No idea how it could be done? But in its day, I was using W98 well up into the early 2000's. Up until x64 bit arrived..
The need of only 16-32mb's to run just seems incredible from today's OS standards.

you can make windows 7 and XP look a lot like windows 98

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#61 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

No thanks. I hated juggling IRQs around even though I was quite adept at it.

GummiRaccoon

In the sense that W98 could be reworked of course. I would have No idea how it could be done? But in its day, I was using W98 well up into the early 2000's. Up until x64 bit arrived..
The need of only 16-32mb's to run just seems incredible from today's OS standards.

you can make windows 7 and XP look a lot like windows 98

Yeah, but thats not really what Im getting at.. What I'm saying is - W98 used only 500mb or so of HDD space to install. Only required 16mb to operate.
Just something Small but still has the ability to play games..? And support exe files.

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#62 fenriz275
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I have Ubuntu on an old pc I use in case my main one craps out on me. I like it even though it is horribly under supported by game developers.

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#63 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

Its almost a Shame that W98 couldnt be made OpenSource - I really miss that OS.

Xsan3

No thanks. I hated juggling IRQs around even though I was quite adept at it.

In the sense that W98 could be reworked of course. I would have No idea how it could be done? But in its day, I was using W98 well up into the early 2000's. Up until x64 bit arrived..
The need of only 16-32mb's to run just seems incredible from today's OS standards.

Well, there was only a certain number of IRQs (usually assigned to devices such as parallel port, COM ports, sound, video, etc back in the Win 9x days. Some are reserved in the BIOS while others you can tailor to whatever device you want it to be on. The bad thing is, if say, a video card and the sound card used the same IRQ at the same time, It sometimes crashed the PC, froze the desktop, or BZZZT. Instant reboot and you going, "WTF?":lol:

Windows 98 allowed me to set IRQs manually so no device will share one. But, it was a pain. It's been a thing of the past since XP which broke the IRQ limit and allowed IRQ sharing without problems. But, I'm still leery whenever I see devices share an IRQ.

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#64 jun_aka_pekto
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The above is one reason why I took an interest in Linux. Even back then, Linux didn't have IRQ hell like Win 9x did.

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#65 Hexagon_777
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I am actually thinking of putting a second HDD in my desktop dedicated solely to Linux (Ubuntu or Mint or whatever else a newb like me can work with) just to play around with it more and use it for everything else but gaming. This is the first rig I built and Windows 7 has been great so far but my interest in Linux remains.
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#66 GummiRaccoon
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I am actually thinking of putting a second HDD in my desktop dedicated solely to Linux (Ubuntu or Mint or whatever else a newb like me can work with) just to play around with it more and use it for everything else but gaming. This is the first rig I built and Windows 7 has been great so far but my interest in Linux remains.Hexagon_777

install gentoo

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#67 RazorGR
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I much preferred the older versions of ubuntu with gnome 2. I don't really like the unity interface..

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#68 JigglyWiggly_
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I much preferred the older versions of ubuntu with gnome 2. I don't really like the unity interface..

RazorGR
that's what linux mint is for, I was skeptical then I tried it and was surprised to see it was all the goods of 10.04 with the search of unity.
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#69 RazorGR
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[QUOTE="RazorGR"]

I much preferred the older versions of ubuntu with gnome 2. I don't really like the unity interface..

JigglyWiggly_

that's what linux mint is for, I was skeptical then I tried it and was surprised to see it was all the goods of 10.04 with the search of unity.

Haven't tried it myself yet but I will. I've been told it's pretty lightweight as well, so it should be ideal for my weak netbook.

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#70 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="RazorGR"]

I much preferred the older versions of ubuntu with gnome 2. I don't really like the unity interface..

RazorGR

that's what linux mint is for, I was skeptical then I tried it and was surprised to see it was all the goods of 10.04 with the search of unity.

Haven't tried it myself yet but I will. I've been told it's pretty lightweight as well, so it should be ideal for my weak netbook.

It's just as bloated as Ubuntu is... because it is based on Ubuntu.

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#71 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="RazorGR"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] that's what linux mint is for, I was skeptical then I tried it and was surprised to see it was all the goods of 10.04 with the search of unity.Tezcatlipoca666

Haven't tried it myself yet but I will. I've been told it's pretty lightweight as well, so it should be ideal for my weak netbook.

It's just as bloated as Ubuntu is... because it is based on Ubuntu.

Jolicloud is based on Ubuntu too. Is that bloated?
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#72 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="RazorGR"]

Haven't tried it myself yet but I will. I've been told it's pretty lightweight as well, so it should be ideal for my weak netbook.

Hexagon_777

It's just as bloated as Ubuntu is... because it is based on Ubuntu.

Jolicloud is based on Ubuntu too. Is that bloated?

I've never tried Jolicloud OS but it looks to be different than Mint. Mint is essentially the exact same thing as Ubuntu except that it has a different interface layout, a few Mint applications, and a slightly different default software bundle.

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#73 kraken2109
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

It's just as bloated as Ubuntu is... because it is based on Ubuntu.

Tezcatlipoca666

Jolicloud is based on Ubuntu too. Is that bloated?

I've never tried Jolicloud OS but it looks to be different than Mint. Mint is essentially the exact same thing as Ubuntu except that it has a different interface layout, a few Mint applications, and a slightly different default software bundle.

Well they're all less bloated than windows.
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#74 DevilishFalcon
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I much preferred the older versions of ubuntu with gnome 2. I don't really like the unity interface..

RazorGR

dude you know that you can install gnome on ubuntu 11.04 or above?

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#75 gmaster456
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Jolicloud is based on Ubuntu too. Is that bloated?kraken2109

I've never tried Jolicloud OS but it looks to be different than Mint. Mint is essentially the exact same thing as Ubuntu except that it has a different interface layout, a few Mint applications, and a slightly different default software bundle.

Well they're all less bloated than windows.

On even remotely modern hardware, the performance difference is negligible. Besides, windows is also packing a bunch of stuff under the hood to maintain backwards compatibility with "legacy" apps as well as many other things. When you think about it, at this stage, windows performance is actually very impressive considering everything it's carrying. Windows 8's performance is even more impressive.
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#76 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

I've never tried Jolicloud OS but it looks to be different than Mint. Mint is essentially the exact same thing as Ubuntu except that it has a different interface layout, a few Mint applications, and a slightly different default software bundle.

Well they're all less bloated than windows.

On even remotely modern hardware, the performance difference is negligible. Besides, windows is also packing a bunch of stuff under the hood to maintain backwards compatibility with "legacy" apps as well as many other things. When you think about it, at this stage, windows performance is actually very impressive considering everything it's carrying. Windows 8's performance is even more impressive.

Doesn't Linux need to be backwards compatible and all that too? And won't Windows get ever more bloated the more versions there are?

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#77 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] Well they're all less bloated than windows.Hexagon_777

On even remotely modern hardware, the performance difference is negligible. Besides, windows is also packing a bunch of stuff under the hood to maintain backwards compatibility with "legacy" apps as well as many other things. When you think about it, at this stage, windows performance is actually very impressive considering everything it's carrying. Windows 8's performance is even more impressive.

Doesn't Linux need to be backwards compatible and all that too? And won't Windows get ever more bloated the more versions there are?

Yes Windows and Linux use pretty much the same standards for compatibility.
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#78 JigglyWiggly_
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Lunix is the most backwards compatible thing I know. Stuff from like the 1.x stuff still works if the dependencies are in order... also wine can play many old games on Linux x64 that Windows itself cannot play.

Also much better legacy hardware support, like I mean MUCH better. Too bad Lunix has crap new gpu drivers.

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#79 Hexagon_777
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Lunix is the most backwards compatible thing I know. Stuff from like the 1.x stuff still works if the dependencies are in order... also wine can play many old games on Linux x64 that Windows itself cannot play.

Also much better legacy hardware support, like I mean MUCH better. Too bad Lunix has crap new gpu drivers.

JigglyWiggly_
Wasn't there something about AMD getting serious with Linux support now? Some earth shattering news?
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#80 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

Lunix is the most backwards compatible thing I know. Stuff from like the 1.x stuff still works if the dependencies are in order... also wine can play many old games on Linux x64 that Windows itself cannot play.

Also much better legacy hardware support, like I mean MUCH better. Too bad Lunix has crap new gpu drivers.

Hexagon_777

Wasn't there something about AMD getting serious with Linux support now? Some earth shattering news?

no they still kinda suck

if you are seriously going to use Linux as your main OS and by main os I mean doing everything you do in Windows... go nvidia or intel.

... and getting desktop acceleration is not enough, wine has many more problems with ati users