Uninterrupted Power Supply issue

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#1 Athawolfus
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Hey,

Recently my 3-year-old Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) started to fail to kick in during power outages so I'm planning to replace it. I live in a country where outages are common so I need one. However, I noticed that the label on the UPS says that it has a maximum output of 500 watts while I have a 750 watt Thermaltake Toughpower power supply in my case. I have a have GTX 570 card and a E8400 processor and the UPS also feeds the monitor. I didn't encounter any problems with this discrepancy in wattages but when power went out, some kind of weird buzzing noise used to come from the power supply. This would keep sounding as long as the UPS supplied power by itself.

I don't know why it didn't occur to me before to do some research about this wattage business. The question is this: For my next UPS, do I need something like a 800-watt device or is something like my previous one enough? Thanks.

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#2 Athawolfus
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And it supplies power to the modem too, but I guess that's not too important.

Any help would be appreciated.

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#3 Marfoo
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Hmm, your powersupply is rated to output 750W but that doesn't mean that's what it was drawing, however you were probably pretty close to or exceeding 500W under full load, if your system was just idle the UPS could most likely handle it. As for the buzzing noise, that's pretty normal of energy storage devices, not to mention the UPS has to convert it's DC storage to an AC signal. I would go for something with a higher wattage for this next one, just so you'll get some good longevity out of it by not running it over its rating.
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#4 markop2003
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Depends what you can afford, as wattage increases, battery duration increases and switching time decreases (in-line UPS' cost a hell of a lot) the cost goes up. Here in the UK a good one capable of 980w (remember a power supply of 750w will draw 750/efficiency) will cost 430 GBP which si half the cost of a top tier gaming PC.
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#5 Athawolfus
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Thanks. Another thing confusing me is that here UPS devices are sold with VA specifications instead of wattage, which I assume means Volt-Ampere. For example I bought this UPS as 1000 VA, thinking it means watts and found out that the label on the thing says "maximum output= 1000 VA / 500W"

The buzzing noise may be common with UPS devices but the weird thing is that when the device kicked in, the noise came from the computer's own PSU, not the UPS.

Considering that the UPS will supply power to both my 750-watt PSU and the monitor and the modem, I'd do well to get something like a 800-watt UPS, I guess. Would more be required?

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For the VA/Watts thing, VA is given when you plug in devices that do not provide a Watt rating. Most electronics do not. They, at best, provide a Volt value on their own power supply and you can guesstimate the Amperage for how much of the VA the PSU might support. For computers, most of the devices have a fairly definitive Watt rating, so go by the Watt rating. The buzzing noise is not unusual. A power supply is expecting an AC current; the UPS converts your AC to DC and back to a simulated AC. A lot of power supplies do not like a simulated AC wave. Most high quality power supplies have active PFC (Power Factor Correction) which controls and maximizes power usage between out of sync voltage and current. A simulated sine wave coming out of a UPS will mess up most power supplies' PFC. This is likely the cause of your buzzing. Its also likely shortening the lifespan of your power supply. Its fine if the UPS only kicks in once in a while as it wont make a big effect, but if its something that happens weekly.... that might be a problem. Ironically enough, very low quality PSUs do not have active PFC, and low quality UPS give out simulated sine waves. To eliminate the buzzing, you can either downgrade your power supply to something that doesn't have active PFC, or upgrade your UPS to one that provides a true sine wave instead of a simulated sine wave. You probably wont need an 800 Watt UPS. Your system is NOT using 750 Watts. Thats the maximum capacity of your power supply, but your machine it not using that much. Even under heavy gaming stressing all your components, you are not pulling more than 450 Watts. Including your monitor and other devices, you are not pulling more than 550 Watts under peak, ideal conditions. On average, your entire setup (monitor included) is probably less than 350 Watts; on idle, probably close to 200 Watts. Having said that, get a more powerful PSU if you feel you need the duration.
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#7 markop2003
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Considering that the UPS will supply power to both my 750-watt PSU and the monitor and the modem, I'd do well to get something like a 800-watt UPS, I guess. Would more be required?

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You'ld need more to support the PC at full power alone. You'll need about 930W to cover the PC + what ever your other devices need. 750w is the output wattage not the input.