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Sorry if this topic has been created a million time, I'm new to the PC board. I have a few questions
Is it wise to use SLI tech. with two identical graphic cards or just simply purchase a single high end one.
About SLI, does the two graphic cards have to be identical, or could they be two different cards, like one higher end than the other?
How do I activate SLI? Just simply go to NVIDIA control panel after installing the cards??
no game will ever need 2 gfx card and i really don't think it's a huge upgrade just a costly Epeen. i say a 8800 is good right now and one day upgrade when you need to if you have sluggish performance ,how much ram and whats your cpu is the question.Devs won't make a game based on to gpu's so having them is usless. also this might not even be an option unless your mobo has 2 pcix16 slots in it(not many mother boards do)I already have an EVGA NVIDIA 8800 gt, and I could get another one for like $70. That why i was trying to find out about SLI. Also, do i have to get a stronger power supply??
Noxest
agood example is if you put 2 gpus lets say 8800 a gefore 260 is still better singley cause it support dx11, so think i can buy 2 cheap good gpus like 8800 and get performance of a 260, nope cause one day games will be dx11 or higher and you got 2 dx9-10 cards.
no game will ever need 2 gfx card and i really don't think it's a huge upgrade just a costly Epeen. i say a 8800 is good right now and one day upgrade when you need to if you have sluggish performance ,how much ram and whats your cpu is the question.Devs won't make a game based on to gpu's so having them is usless. also this might not even be an option unless your mobo has 2 pcix16 slots in it(not many mother boards do)[QUOTE="Noxest"]
I already have an EVGA NVIDIA 8800 gt, and I could get another one for like $70. That why i was trying to find out about SLI. Also, do i have to get a stronger power supply??
dawgrejectx
agood example is if you put 2 gpus lets say 8800 a gefore 260 is still better singley cause it support dx11, so think i can buy 2 cheap good gpus like 8800 and get performance of a 260, nope cause one day games will be dx11 or higher and you got 2 dx9-10 cards.
First of all the 260 is a DX10 card, so it's not an upgrade on that front. Secondly, the 8800s are actually beginning to struggle in newer games, and adding a second one could give the boost needed to keep the framerate acceptable. Third, most motherboards do actually have two PCI Express slots, although some of them cut the bandwidth when both are in use. The difference between x16 and x8 bandwidth is very small though. Even with a 5870, the difference is only about 2 FPS. On the PSU issue, you'll have to tell us what you have first, or we can't really be sure.You might want to add another gig if you're using Windows 7. If you're using Vista, you MUST add another gig because Vista eats RAM for breakfast. If you're on XP, you should be fine with 2 gigs though.I see. Well, I only have a 2G Ram, and a Quad Core 2.sumtin hahaha dont remember. Do u think upgrading my Ram is a good move right now?
I can run Napoleon on max setting but it lag when i zoom into a big battle, this is why am asking about graphic card SLI
Noxest
I'm on a Vista lolz. I guess time for more Ram. I already filled two slot of my motherboard with 1G each. Can I buy like a 2G Ram and replace it with one of the 1G, thus making it 3G total, is that possible? Or should I just simply buy two 2G rams and replace them with the old ones completely?
I'm on a Vista lolz. I guess time for more Ram. I already filled two slot of my motherboard with 1G each. Can I buy like a 2G Ram and replace it with one of the 1G, thus making it 3G total, is that possible? Or should I just simply buy two 2G rams and replace them with the old ones completely?
Noxest
If you have two (1+1GB) ram modules you can add anotther 2GB (1+1GB) and have four modules, but you havn't specified how many modules you got or how many memoryslots you have on your motherboard, and you havn't told us what motherboard you have. (How many GB ram/modules can it take?)
Me and many else here can help you with the upgrades if you tell the specs of your current PC, but without the exsact spec it will be just guesses.
[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"]no game will ever need 2 gfx card and i really don't think it's a huge upgrade just a costly Epeen. i say a 8800 is good right now and one day upgrade when you need to if you have sluggish performance ,how much ram and whats your cpu is the question.Devs won't make a game based on to gpu's so having them is usless. also this might not even be an option unless your mobo has 2 pcix16 slots in it(not many mother boards do)[QUOTE="Noxest"]
I already have an EVGA NVIDIA 8800 gt, and I could get another one for like $70. That why i was trying to find out about SLI. Also, do i have to get a stronger power supply??
matte3560
agood example is if you put 2 gpus lets say 8800 a gefore 260 is still better singley cause it support dx11, so think i can buy 2 cheap good gpus like 8800 and get performance of a 260, nope cause one day games will be dx11 or higher and you got 2 dx9-10 cards.
First of all the 260 is a DX10 card, so it's not an upgrade on that front. Secondly, the 8800s are actually beginning to struggle in newer games, and adding a second one could give the boost needed to keep the framerate acceptable. Third, most motherboards do actually have two PCI Express slots, although some of them cut the bandwidth when both are in use. The difference between x16 and x8 bandwidth is very small though. Even with a 5870, the difference is only about 2 FPS. On the PSU issue, you'll have to tell us what you have first, or we can't really be sure.not tru most MOBO have 2 pci express slot but only 1 is a x16 for graphics card the other pciEX is alot smaller slot for stuff like tv tuners. look on tiger or newegg or any store and majority of Mobos have 1 pci x16 2.0 for a graphics card, even though th stats say 2 pciE the other PCIe is not for a graphics card. a 36 dollar geforce 210 will give him alot better perfomance than buying a whole new 8800. 2 GPU's don't make sense. Soon to be a droped experiment for pc gaming.if you get the same exact card from same company etc etc you can crossfire it, should give betetr performance for current games BUT... soon the 8800 will be recommended settings for most pc games and prob the best future would be bye a higher series card, even a bargain card like the 210 alone would last alot longer than 2 8800'sOk, i think i got most of my specs down:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
EVGA GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
ABIT IX38 Quad FT LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard
I really appreaciate you guys helping me
Noxest
[QUOTE="Noxest"]if you get the same exact card from same company etc etc you can crossfire it, should give betetr performance for current games BUT... soon the 8800 will be recommended settings for most pc games and prob the best future would be bye a higher series card, even a bargain card like the 210 alone would last alot longer than 2 8800's gt 210 is renamed gf 9400gt or 9500gt and 2 8800 are definite better then 210Ok, i think i got most of my specs down:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
EVGA GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
ABIT IX38 Quad FT LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard
I really appreaciate you guys helping me
dawgrejectx
[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"][QUOTE="Noxest"]if you get the same exact card from same company etc etc you can crossfire it, should give betetr performance for current games BUT... soon the 8800 will be recommended settings for most pc games and prob the best future would be bye a higher series card, even a bargain card like the 210 alone would last alot longer than 2 8800's gt 210 is renamed gf 9400gt or 9500gt and 2 8800 are definite better then 210not when a game comes out and says minimum requirements, geforce 900 or better. so he can either buy a 8800 for 30$ or a 210 for 30$ and maybe 2 210 would rock 2 8800. the time to get 2 gpu is when you buy the pc or assemble it a few years later it's just better to get the new technology so my advice to the OP is instead or having to buy another gpu in a year or 2 just get the 210 or if you have the cash 2 geforce 210 or higher. soon 8800 will be obsolete so why even bother?Ok, i think i got most of my specs down:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
EVGA GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
ABIT IX38 Quad FT LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard
I really appreaciate you guys helping me
NLahren
^Huh what you talking about a gt210 is a very crappy card. 8800s > Gt240 rebranded 9600gt-ish.
As for CF, it doesnt have to be exact model it can be similar model like 4870 with 4850 etc, but I believe SLI it has to be exact.
@Op, it wouldnt be a bad idea to Sli it if your cash strap, but I dont think your board supports it, go check. If it doesnt than is better to just upgrade the ram for now and save up for a better card later. 8800gt which is almost identical to mines isnt bad :P I say itll hold up until the end of the year.
Edit: Seriously Nvidia is criminal at rebranding cards, Gt200 series are crap and slightly overpriced compare to its older branded counterpart/ or ati counterpart variants.
yea who told you it was a crappy card? seems to run BFBC2 on high no problems. the performance of the 210 and up gpous are def in the 900 series bracket but there made to be cooler^Huh what you talking about a gt210 is a very crappy card. 8800s > Gt240 rebranded 9600gt-ish.
As for CF, it doesnt have to be exact model it can be similar model like 4870 with 4850 etc, but I believe SLI it has to be exact.
@Op, it wouldnt be a bad idea to Sli it if your cash strap, but I dont think your board supports it, go check. If it doesnt than is better to just upgrade the ram for now and save up for a better card later. 8800gt which is almost identical to mines isnt bad :P I say itll hold up until the end of the year.
Bikouchu35
[QUOTE="NLahren"][QUOTE="dawgrejectx"] if you get the same exact card from same company etc etc you can crossfire it, should give betetr performance for current games BUT... soon the 8800 will be recommended settings for most pc games and prob the best future would be bye a higher series card, even a bargain card like the 210 alone would last alot longer than 2 8800'sdawgrejectxgt 210 is renamed gf 9400gt or 9500gt and 2 8800 are definite better then 210not when a game comes out and says minimum requirements, geforce 900 or better. so he can either buy a 8800 for 30$ or a 210 for 30$ and maybe 2 210 would rock 2 8800. the time to get 2 gpu is when you buy the pc or assemble it a few years later it's just better to get the new technology so my advice to the OP is instead or having to buy another gpu in a year or 2 just get the 210 or if you have the cash 2 geforce 210 or higher. soon 8800 will be obsolete so why even bother? GT 240 is like a 9600GT at best and a 9600GT is 10-15% slower then a 9800GT or 8800GT. 9800GT is a renamed 8800GT basically. GT 220 has only 48 SP's and GT 240 has only 96SP's, the 8800GT/9800GT has 112 SP's. So even having two GT 220 wouldnt even be as fast as a single 8800/9800GT
not when a game comes out and says minimum requirements, geforce 900 or better. so he can either buy a 8800 for 30$ or a 210 for 30$ and maybe 2 210 would rock 2 8800. the time to get 2 gpu is when you buy the pc or assemble it a few years later it's just better to get the new technology so my advice to the OP is instead or having to buy another gpu in a year or 2 just get the 210 or if you have the cash 2 geforce 210 or higher. soon 8800 will be obsolete so why even bother? GT 240 is like a 9600GT at best and a 9600GT is 10-15% slower then a 9800GT or 8800GT. 9800GT is a renamed 8800GT basically. GT 220 has only 48 SP's and GT 240 has only 96SP's, the 8800GT/9800GT has 112 SP's. So even having two GT 220 wouldnt even be as fast as a single 8800/9800GTthe 200 series are not renamed 9000 there actually completley differant chips there meant to be more cooling effecient, and there better than 8800, i know cause my 210 rocks my old 8800.[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"][QUOTE="NLahren"] gt 210 is renamed gf 9400gt or 9500gt and 2 8800 are definite better then 21004dcarraher
Lol, GT210 isnt a good card a 8600GT is faster.
GT 210 specs: CUDA Cores 16
Graphics Clock (MHz) 589 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1402 MHz
Memory Specs:
Memory Clock (MHz) 500 Standard Memory Config 512 MB DDR2 Memory Interface Width 64-bit Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 8.0
8800GT Specs:
CUDA Cores 112
Graphics Clock (MHz) 600 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1500 MHz Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 33.6
Memory Specs: Memory Clock (MHz) 900 Standard Memory Config 512 MB DDR3Memory Interface Width 256-bit Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 57.6
112 vs 16? then DDR2 vs DDR3? 64 bit memory vs 256bit? Sorry to say this to you dawgrejectx a even a 8600GT is at least 2x faster, and a 8800GT 6x faster at least
your going by stats i'm going by facts, i just replaced my 8800 and the 210 does a better job, the 210 was made to do what games currently do were the 8800 just has a high topend, my old 5500 used to have 512 mb on ram and 7600 series with 200mb can out performe it and the number on my card i could link just like you did were high, but it's not about what the card can do than the shaders and other effects that go into a card are way more important than pure numebrs sorry to reducate you, but your just citing numbers i'm going by factual evidence that i upgraded from a 8800 to a 210 and can run Company of heroes and crysis alot smoother. in the word of PC's card makers make there cards alittle ambitous even though the number favor the 8800 the 210 is more efficient at runng the stuff that really works a graphics card harder shaders and other effects.112 vs 16? then DDR2 vs DDR3? 64 bit memory vs 256bit? Sorry to say this to you dawgrejectx a even a 8600GT is at least 2x faster, and a 8800GT 6x faster at least
04dcarraher
Would you guys said that getting more RAM is critical right now than graphic card? If I get like 2G more Ram, would it improve my gaming performance?
Noxest
I would think so, ram from my perspective is more a threshold you should overcome. Getting 4gb would keep you from the clear of choking due to the lack of ram, with 2gb of ram you may stutter no matter how good your gpu/cpu is.
dawgrejectx, Are you even serious?
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3657&p=12
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GT_240
If you must insist, heres a comparison of gt220 with 9800gt(8800gt clone).
i would say ram might give you alilbit of more performance, maybe a 1gb stick there around 20, i wouldn't listen to some of these guys there going with benchmarks and numbers the most important thing with graphics cards is the effects and software they support, the 200 series cards do what games are doing now weres the 8800 and 9000 series just had alot of power but they lack optimization, example napolean is new and may have some 10.1 effects or even open gl 4.1 effect even though 8800 is faster and has more bandwith napoleon doesn't need that stuff what it need is a GPU capable of running the new effects, polygon count and stuff is not what there trying t do there using effects like shaders and lighting and the 200 series were made to be more in line with the industry standards , rather than an endless topend that will never be fully utilized before it's obsolete. get more ram or a 200 series card(the less power there using is gonna help alot, i don't know your power supply but the 8800 uses 100 wats the 200 series are around 30 watts so who knows the 8800 can be running sluggish cause of the power supply, further showing the superiority of the 210.Would you guys said that getting more RAM is critical right now than graphic card? If I get like 2G more Ram, would it improve my gaming performance?
Noxest
[QUOTE="Noxest"]
Would you guys said that getting more RAM is critical right now than graphic card? If I get like 2G more Ram, would it improve my gaming performance?
I would think so, ram from my perspective is more a threshold you should overcome. Getting 4gb would keep you from the clear of choking due to the lack of ram, with 2gb of ram you may stutter no matter how good your gpu/cpu is.
Vista runs best with 4gb, and if your running a games thats likes 2+ gb like Crysis you will see studdering.Heres a question for you dawgrejectx, if the GT 210 is so good how come it cant beat a 4670 or even a 9600GSO? it was never meant to compete with a 64SP NVIDIA card, or a 320SP AMD card. Which means it cant outdo or even matcha 8800GT any day of the week.
that doesn't prove much, your talking about a card that can run the next games is cheap and will save you hundreds of dollars in your light bill, this guy isn't asking for the granddaddy of card he wants to run napolean the 210 is far better in this situation than the 8800 he says he having trouble with. all those benchmarks are on pcs with the right power supply and who knows how much ram, for a low cost solution the 210 is AWSOME you can't take that away from it. it will be on the box of games as a recommended or minimum card for years to come, the 8800 is already being obsolete not cause of the pixels per sec or polysgon or bandwit, but because of the effects and other features added to cards. 210 is dx10.1 and open gl 4.1 and the 8800 is dx10 and open gl 4.0, i don't care what you link, forware drivers make games run alot smoother and those benchmark number don't included that, batman just got a 50% boost for me with the new drivers, before the factory forceware i was barley on medium settings now with the new forceware i can run batman at high with aa at 16 so don't link me numbers the OP can do what he wants listen to some guy with a vendetta for a low budget 210 card or the guy who is just trying to help who replace his 8800 and is now really happy with his PC, the forceware driver make a differance so pleease stop trying to hate the 210 card is a better card for the long run.dawgrejectx, Are you even serious?
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3657&p=12
04dcarraher
i don't see how you can say that if i just told you my 8800 is in a box replaced with the 210 lol, guess your right though cause some random site tested it.Heres a question for you dawgrejectx, if the GT 210 is so good how come it cant beat a 4670 or even a 9600GSO? it was never meant to compete with a 64SP NVIDIA card, or a 320SP AMD card. Which means it cant outdo or even matcha 8800GT any day of the week.
04dcarraher
Come on now, yes it uses less power, does it good for the specs it has yes, but heres the kicker, your saying like if you take GTX 260, limit the cuda cores to 16 leaving the gpu core alone , cut the memory bandwidth from 384 to 64 bit, taking away the DDR 3 and adding DDR2 instead. And its going to out do a gpu that $70, give me break. A GT 210 is a DOWNGRADE in every way, The OP is using 2gb with Vista grabbing 2gb more will help, and he may want to check his psu. Drivers and optiminzation only go so far with hardware, its physically impossible for a GT 210 to beat even a Nvidia card with 64 cuda cores/ SP's with same amount of ram. Transistors counts shows processing power, GT 220 , = 260 million vs 9600 = 500+ millionvs 8800GT = 754 million
like i said man rams might or might not be an upgrade alot of PC uses are elitist and unless you buy a 260 2gb there gonna say it sucks, effects and lighting in games account for the main problem nowadays with performance, turning off setting like bloom can give you 20fps on some setting, polygon doesn't really matter, for a low cost solution nvidia made the 210 series, it's a newer series and there making force ware wich is optimizing it really nicely, the 210 is only 30 and for sure will give you a performance upgrade, in new games, napolean won't be a problem. ram might be an upgrade but it's not certain but for sure a newer graphics card with newer effects is gonna be worlds better, example if you have a gecofre 7900 1gb it still wouldn't outperforme a geforce 8800 withhalf the ram, why? effects and shaders. so a 210 will help you regardless of what these guys say, i been pc gaming 8 years and never spent more than 700 and i always play the new pc games, some these guys think people have money to throw away, i don't thats why i bought 1 geforce 210.I'm on a tight budget, could someone tell me if this is a good one to go for:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161030
If not, please do recommend
Noxest
Come on now, yes it uses less power, does it good for the specs it has yes, but heres the kicker, your saying like if you take GTX 260, limit the cuda cores to 16 leaving the gpu core alone , cut the memory bandwidth from 384 to 64 bit, taking away the DDR 3 and adding DDR2 instead. And its going to out do a gpu that $70, give me break. A GT 210 is a DOWNGRADE in every way, The OP is using 2gb with Vista grabbing 2gb more will help, and he may want to check his psu. Drivers and optiminzation only go so far with hardware, its physically impossible for a GT 210 to beat even a Nvidia card with 64 cuda cores/ SP's with same amount of ram. Transistors counts shows processing power, GT 220 , = 260 million vs 8800GT = 754 million 04dcarraheryeah you fail to realize that developers don't optimize for the 8800 there optimizing for the 200 series what the 200 series does sure the number are higher and i know this to give you an example imagine the 8800 and 210 as mountain climbers there climbing a 200 feet wall but the 8800 climber didn't know how big the wall was the day before so he brang 1000feet of rope the 210 climber knew and only brang 400 feet of rope just enough to climb the wall. now you can say that the 8800 is better suited by this example and is a better climber except for the fact that the next wall he climbs is 400 feet but his rope isn't compatible with the wall so all that rope for nothing, the 210 since it had a betetr diea what the market is doing is better equip for the next wall. the 8800 had alot of power but the shaders and software on it are soon gonna be obsolete, jesus whats so hard to understand about that.
dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
[QUOTE="Noxest"]like i said man rams might or might not be an upgrade alot of PC uses are elitist and unless you buy a 260 2gb there gonna say it sucks, effects and lighting in games account for the main problem nowadays with performance, turning off setting like bloom can give you 20fps on some setting, polygon doesn't really matter, for a low cost solution nvidia made the 210 series, it's a newer series and there making force ware wich is optimizing it really nicely, the 210 is only 30 and for sure will give you a performance upgrade, in new games, napolean won't be a problem. ram might be an upgrade but it's not certain but for sure a newer graphics card with newer effects is gonna be worlds better, example if you have a gecofre 7900 1gb it still wouldn't outperforme a geforce 8800 withhalf the ram, why? effects and shaders. so a 210 will help you regardless of what these guys say, i been pc gaming 8 years and never spent more than 700 and i always play the new pc games, some these guys think people have money to throw away, i don't thats why i bought 1 geforce 210.I'm on a tight budget, could someone tell me if this is a good one to go for:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161030
If not, please do recommend
dawgrejectx
To the OP, don't listen to dawgrejectx.
He may provide info, but it's not good or even useful info.
Anyone can clearly see that an 8800GT outperforms a GT 210 - period.
Here are some links that shows off the performance of a GT 210 compared to lesser cards than the 8800GT/9800GT.
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
You want me to find more?
The GT 210 is garbage for a gaming graphic card, end of story. Look at these benchmarks, see the 9600GT listed on them? The 9600GT is about a 20-25% less in performance over a 9800GT/8800GT.
If your MB supports SLI and you have a good 550W PSU, you shouldn't have any reason not to run 2 8800GT cards in SLI. The performance of 2 8800GT cards in SLI is close to a GTX 260 card; only downside is the lower memory, but that's really not an issue if you're using a resolution of 1440 x 900 or less...1680 x 1050 would be the max I would personally use for 8800/9800GT cards, even if running them in SLI.
like i said man rams might or might not be an upgrade alot of PC uses are elitist and unless you buy a 260 2gb there gonna say it sucks, effects and lighting in games account for the main problem nowadays with performance, turning off setting like bloom can give you 20fps on some setting, polygon doesn't really matter, for a low cost solution nvidia made the 210 series, it's a newer series and there making force ware wich is optimizing it really nicely, the 210 is only 30 and for sure will give you a performance upgrade, in new games, napolean won't be a problem. ram might be an upgrade but it's not certain but for sure a newer graphics card with newer effects is gonna be worlds better, example if you have a gecofre 7900 1gb it still wouldn't outperforme a geforce 8800 withhalf the ram, why? effects and shaders. so a 210 will help you regardless of what these guys say, i been pc gaming 8 years and never spent more than 700 and i always play the new pc games, some these guys think people have money to throw away, i don't thats why i bought 1 geforce 210.[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"][QUOTE="Noxest"]
I'm on a tight budget, could someone tell me if this is a good one to go for:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161030
If not, please do recommend
neatfeatguy
To the OP, don't listen to dawgrejectx.
He may provide info, but it's not good or even useful info.
Anyone can clearly see that an 8800GT outperforms a GT 210 - period.
Here are some links that shows off the performance of a GT 210 compared to lesser cards than the 8800GT/9800GT.
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
You want me to find more?
The GT 210 is garbage for a gaming graphic card, end of story. Look at these benchmarks, see the 9600GT listed on them? The 9600GT is about a 20-25% less in performance over a 9800GT/8800GT.
If your MB supports SLI and you have a good 550W PSU, you shouldn't have any reason not to run 2 8800GT cards in SLI. The performance of 2 8800GT cards in SLI is close to a GTX 260 card; only downside is the lower memory, but that's really not an issue if you're using a resolution of 1440 x 900 or less...1680 x 1050 would be the max I would personally use for 8800/9800GT cards, even if running them in SLI.
like i said tom hardware is such a valid source, i'm going with this srouce, i had a 8800 in my PC, replace it with a 210 and games run better and support newer shaders and games look better, i wish the OP luck, i'm done arguing, if you have if you have if you have is all they can say, fact is with your current setting if you get a 210 you will find a performance upgrade and pay hundred of less on your light bill and possible nuke your house, 2gfx and a 550 watt power supply so waste 200 watts a month becomes some guys on the net wanna post links to random sites from the most credible sources in the world.i can run Fallout 3 on high settings and it doesn't run at 13fps as that links says, that in it is a joke,you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you?dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
04dcarraher
another one of you guys, is there like a coalition of you guys, i don't see how if i can run BFBC2 on high setting a game barley 2 weeks old my GPU sucks, i just don't get how logically you can even reomtley be correct because of some internet benchmarks, maybe with the forceware they used they got those results i don't know but i get great results from it, oh well doesn't matter i'm go play a game that has a minimum requirement of 8800 and set the settings to high with a card as you guys say is worse than the 8800.dawgretectx no offense but thats some freakin bad advice man, I dunno how exactly you tell the difference between cards but 8800's kick the ass of a 210. 210 cards are freakin awful for gaming, so lets just seal that coffin and be done with it.
V4LENT1NE
dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you? As long Nvidia supports older cards with drivers for the newest OS's you wont have a issue using them. And again going to a 210 is a downgrade, who cares if its a 2009 card its bottom of the barrel in performance even comparing to mid ranged 2008 gpu's.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you? You do realize that Win 7 is just a face-lifted version of Vista, don't you? When it comes down to it, Win 7 really isn't any different than Vista is. Microsoft for once actually did good marketing on Win 7 because they took what people had issues with in Vista (which by the way, have been corrected in the Service Packs that Microsoft released) and made those changes on Win 7. Win 7 comes off the shelf working great, very few issue - unlike the issues that Vista had when it launched - and people are going gaga over it. If the OP follows your advice, he will be WASTING money on an inferior graphic card. Just because the GT 210 is a newer produced card, doesn't mean it runs better in Vista or XP or Win 7. The actual physical card cannot function in your computer without the video driver. It is the driver that makes your graphic card able to talk to the computer and transfer data and stream it to your monitor. By your logic, a 9400GT card is better than an 8800GT, just because it was made more recently. Or a 9600GT is better than an 8800GT, just because it was made more recently. The date production of video cards and the naming of the cards mean diddly-squat for the most part. You need to look at the specs of the video cards and not just the name and production dates.dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
dawgrejectx
dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you? As long Nvidia supports older cards with drivers for the newest OS's you wont have a issue using them. And again going to a 210 is a downgrade, who cares if its a 2009 card its bottom of the barrel in performance even comparing to mid ranged 2008 gpu's. the performance isn't bottom of the barrel the websites you link is your source then i have news for you i get way more than 5 fps in far cry 2 and way more than 15 fps in batman on the settings they have, maybe the forceware when released was crappy or what but 40 fps in batman is what i just benchmarked on fraps and some of the sites you guys linked me were way off, so your source is BS[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="dawgrejectx"] you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you?dawgrejectxAs long Nvidia supports older cards with drivers for the newest OS's you wont have a issue using them. And again going to a 210 is a downgrade, who cares if its a 2009 card its bottom of the barrel in performance even comparing to mid ranged 2008 gpu's. the performance isn't bottom of the barrel the websites you link is your source then i have news for you i get way more than 5 fps in far cry 2 and way more than 15 fps in batman on the settings they have, maybe the forceware when released was crappy or what but 40 fps in batman is what i just benchmarked on fraps and some of the sites you guys linked me were way off, so your source is BS Let us see proof. Post some pics? Download GPU-Z, CPU-Z and run them. Also run your FRAPs and post us some pics. Maybe we might not be so harsh then, but based on all the benchmarks I've come across, they all spell a similar outcome; the GT 210 is a very low end card that doesn't do well with gaming. Prove us wrong.
[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]you don't seem to understand your assuming i'm wrong cause you read it on the net, my info is factual, took it out put this in better results, unlike you guys telling this guy to maybe upgrade his PCU,CPU to run SLI mode that runs everything hotter waste more money and he's saying he's on a Budget. if the OP buys a 210 i promise he will get an upgrade over his , the 210 being a 2009 card is even compatible with windows 7 already were the 8800 might have problems, if the op ever upgrades his OSfrom The Crappy vista,i'm not asking the man to waste money spend less get better performance, if it doesn't work he can return the GPU. but he won't. i'm confident in this not because tom hardware said so(wich even your link were not correct in FPS i get)i know cause i did it myself, did you? You do realize that Win 7 is just a face-lifted version of Vista, don't you? When it comes down to it, Win 7 really isn't any different than Vista is. Microsoft for once actually did good marketing on Win 7 because they took what people had issues with in Vista (which by the way, have been corrected in the Service Packs that Microsoft released) and made those changes on Win 7. Win 7 comes off the shelf working great, very few issue - unlike the issues that Vista had when it launched - and people are going gaga over it. If the OP follows your advice, he will be WASTING money on an inferior graphic card. Just because the GT 210 is a newer produced card, doesn't mean it runs better in Vista or XP or Win 7. The actual physical card cannot function in your computer without the video driver. It is the driver that makes your graphic card able to talk to the computer and transfer data and stream it to your monitor. By your logic, a 9400GT card is better than an 8800GT, just because it was made more recently. Or a 9600GT is better than an 8800GT, just because it was made more recently. The date production of video cards and the naming of the cards mean diddly-squat for the most part. You need to look at the specs of the video cards and not just the name and production dates. oh so by your logic my old geforce 5500 was far superior than the 6200 228mb because the 5500 had more 228mb more ram, lol yea i had to get a 6200 to play wow better , specs don't mean anything when devs don't support your hardware and theres games already have 8800 as minimum requirements,whatever it doesn't really bother me if you think my 210 can't run batman r BFC2, i guess i bought the games to look at them.dawgrejectx, you really need to stop giving bad advice, and false information
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