Very Bad news DirectX10.1/VistaSP1 will not support 2900 & 8800!!

Thats some evil plan of microsofts ... i just bought my new 2900 & now they say its aboselete .... both Ati & Nvdia users are going to pissed ... clearly all the cards of the 2000 series & 8000 series can support it they just don't whant to suppport it .... i think that directX10.1 will work only on radeon 2950 & 8900but still i'm not liking the evil plan that intel is planning .... & i think they are doing this just make poeple to buy their consoles or something because clearly console gaming is much easier & cheaper than PC gaming except shooters :) ! Anyway here is the bad new :

SIGGRAPH 2007 was the stage where Microsoft dropped the bomb, informing gamers that the currently available DirectX 10 hardware will not support the upcoming DirectX 10.1 in Vista SP1. In essence, all current DX10 hardware is now obsolete. But don't get too upset just yet: 'Gamers shouldn't fret too much - 10.1 adds virtually nothing that they will care about and, more to the point, adds almost nothing that developers are likely to care about. The spec revision basically makes a number of things that are optional in DX10 compulsory under the new standard - such as 32-bit floating point filtering, as opposed to the 16-bit current. 4xAA is a compulsory standard to support in 10.1, whereas graphics vendors can pick and choose their anti-aliasing support currently. We suspect that the spec is likely to be ill-received. Not only does it require brand new hardware, immediately creating a minuscule sub-set of DX10 owners, but it also requires Vista SP1, and also requires developer implementation.'"

This is good news. It means that graphics card vendors have to adhere to certain standards when releasing a DX10.1 ready card. Simply put, if you buy a DX10.1 card, you have the assurance that you'll be able to run any DX10 game without difficulty - no more "Does my card support Pixel Shader 3.0?"

This is not bad news for existing 2900/8800 owners, this doesn't really affect them at all. The high-end DX10 cards (8800) will still be able to perform all the features of DX10.

Games will still be DX10 compliant (not DX10.1), but DX10.1 graphics cards will support everything out of the box unlike some DX10 cards (low-end 8xxx cards for example)

thats bad for DX10 cards owners.... most of them bought it to have the latest technology out there... built their SLI machines...

And now they won't be able to max in a game (not important to me, but for the mentalitty of thoes people).

Not to mention new card will work way better in DX10, DX9 than those 8XXX or 2XXX series.

DX10.1 comes with SP1 which won't be ready till next year from what I heard so your card won't exactly be new by then anyway.

Besides most of the required stuff in 10.1 is already optional in 10.0 so some cards might still be able to run 10.1 with the right drivers. Same thing happened when they updated DX9 to support pixel shadder 2.0 everything became obsolete

There was a thread about this the other day. You have to remember a developer has to make a dx10.1 game first before you start complaining about cards being obsolete. I think thats still a long way off or there will be options to run the game with 8800's anyways maybe just without all the features enabled.

By no means is my 8800gts obsolete until developers start making games that requier newer better hardware. The only company stupid enough to do this would be microsoft itself because they like that sort of thing.

Theres another thread about it and who cares......

Guess what?



Technology moves on :O

Theres another thread about it and who cares......

Guess what?



Technology moves on :O

miffywiffy

This fast? DX10 is barely used and now there's DX10.1 that's incompatible with DX10 hardware?

I lol @ this, hardly bad news. Ive known about it for a long time...

So what if my card doesnt support 10.1 it doesnt add anything great. But the jump from dx9 to dx10 is a lot larger and the 7 to 8 series nvidia cards was the biggest leap ever.

DX10 cards are not obsolete yet since 9 series isnt even out yet, even if there was no dx10.1, 8 series would be considered obsolete compared to 9 series so wtf @ all the people crying. Graphics cards ALWAYS become "obsolete" as soon as a new range appears.

DX 10.1 isn't a big deal - nor is the current G80 and R600. The coming G92 and R700 will support far over twice the performance of the 8800ultra for a lower price and 4xAA as standard without any performance drop nor will 10.1 be a problem. With R700 Tessalation 2.0 or 2+ will also be supported along with multiple cores and 10.1 support.

Don't mind 10.1 too much on it's own. It does nothing than update the shaders and goes for Tessalation.

wow. I feel better hearing it now because I was going to upgrade 2 HD2900 but i looked up that there was an open gl 3.0 coming out so I bought x1950 (256mb). Well I guess I will wait until 2009 to upgrade to vista if I need to and get a new card. It is the same thing with pci-e 2.0, it just came out and now pci-e 3.0 is coming in 2009.

Well I would say good luck to people who bought the cards and vista because I still thing vista is going to need about 2-4 sp more before I move to it.

To me vista=Windows ME + it will never be better then xp.

Given the lack of developer support for directx 10, I don't think directx 10.1 will be used any time soon (except for MS games maybe).Gog

I must agree.

Much ado about nothing at this point

news for you: next lineup of GPUs don't support DX11. this is the way things just go. only that this time it happened pretty fast. my guess? it's only gonna get faster.

edit: so when to upgrade your rig? i say when you need to. in other words, upgrade for a specific game/games (or other apps) and don't mind the future. your plans will only be shattered after few months. just like in this specific case.

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Theres another thread about it and who cares......

Guess what?



Technology moves on :O

DarkRecruit

This fast? DX10 is barely used and now there's DX10.1 that's incompatible with DX10 hardware?

Shudnt of bought a DX10 card when DX10 hasn't even been used in any games then until Crysis and some others. Anyways the difference between DX9 and DX10 are pretty small when looking at Crysis DX9 vs Crysis DX10 i doubt DX10 and 10.1 would make much difference,

Thats some evil plan of microsofts ... i just bought my new 2900 & now they say its aboselete .... both Ati & Nvdia users are going to pissed ... clearly all the cards of the 2000 series & 8000 series can support it they just don't whant to suppport it .... i think that directX10.1 will work only on radeon 2950 & 8900but still i'm not liking the evil plan that intel is planning .... & i think they are doing this just make poeple to buy their consoles or something because clearly console gaming is much easier & cheaper than PC gaming except shooters :) ! Anyway here is the bad new :

SIGGRAPH 2007 was the stage where Microsoft dropped the bomb, informing gamers that the currently available DirectX 10 hardware will not support the upcoming DirectX 10.1 in Vista SP1. In essence, all current DX10 hardware is now obsolete. But don't get too upset just yet: 'Gamers shouldn't fret too much - 10.1 adds virtually nothing that they will care about and, more to the point, adds almost nothing that developers are likely to care about. The spec revision basically makes a number of things that are optional in DX10 compulsory under the new standard - such as 32-bit floating point filtering, as opposed to the 16-bit current. 4xAA is a compulsory standard to support in 10.1, whereas graphics vendors can pick and choose their anti-aliasing support currently. We suspect that the spec is likely to be ill-received. Not only does it require brand new hardware, immediately creating a minuscule sub-set of DX10 owners, but it also requires Vista SP1, and also requires developer implementation.'"

beckoflight

I think if developers just dont take this anymore and refuse to implement dx10.1 MS will learn its lesson.

Here comes PCie2.0 and new processor slot for amd and intel.

I think tech evolution is great and all, but isnt it getting outta hand??

I think if developers just dont take this anymore and refuse to implement dx10.1 MS will learn its lesson.

Deamon321

nice idea, but windows is the ultimate gaming platform on PC, so there's no really a choice to make. it's move on or stay behind. spirit of competition.

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Here comes PCie2.0 and new processor slot for amd and intel.

I think tech evolution is great and all, but isnt it getting outta hand??

BounceDK

yes indeed. some science-dude said over a decade ago that technology is going to advance exponentially (as it certainly seems to do), so it's only gonna get worse for us (=consumers).

Here comes PCie2.0 and new processor slot for amd and intel.

I think tech evolution is great and all, but isnt it getting outta hand??

BLiTZv3

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="miffywiffy"]

Theres another thread about it and who cares......

Guess what?



Technology moves on :O

miffywiffy

This fast? DX10 is barely used and now there's DX10.1 that's incompatible with DX10 hardware?

Shudnt of bought a DX10 card when DX10 hasn't even been used in any games then until Crysis and some others. Anyways the difference between DX9 and DX10 are pretty small when looking at Crysis DX9 vs Crysis DX10 i doubt DX10 and 10.1 would make much difference,

I dont have a dx10 card.

Dude....360 is wearing off....DVD9, anyone?

Best combination is PS3 and PC (I say...dont upgrade now)

Guys calm down, there is no way in hell MS is gonna do this.

Look DX10 is available for XP, you think there isnt someone outhere that will make 8800's work with dx10.1? gimme a break.

MS is not the leader of the gaming world, DX10 will still be around for a while.

and I am 100% positive there will either be someone to make sp1 for vista with DX10, or a dx10.1 that works with 8800 cards.

I just upgraded from a amd 64 3400+ ,x1950pro agp, 2gb of ram to a AMD x2 6000+,2gb ddr2 ram, and 8800GTS 320mb, you think I am worried I did this? no! MS games suck anyways and I highly doubt other companies are just gonna get on their knees and suck off MS and their "lets make stuff completely incompatible every 3 months moto"

Well I'm not crying. So there.

'Pats 8800GTX gently on the head'

Pats 8800 GTX/GTX/Ultra on the head.

Pats PCIe 1.1 on the head.

Pats AM2 and 775 socket on the back.

how many of you here think pci-e 1.1's bandwidth is being maxxed out with today's present games/ video cards?

please raise your hands, I dare you.

So please remember, what you are hearing here is stuff that will be needed if you WANT to stay in first place with technology, and if you havent learned this yet, it is easier to sprout wings and fly than it is to stay ahead of all tech.

Just because this stuff comes out doesn't mean our stuff wil be obsolete, it just means we won't be ahead of every new tech product. and don't forget that please,

I'm gona say this for the last time and if yall don't listen to me than yall can waste your money on the G92 series. DX10 cards WILL RUN DX10.1 GAMES! They just can't use the DX10.1 features, which are "Shader 4.1" (Ho Boy! gotta get that .1) and "Tesselation" effect. I got this straight from the nvidia forum.

I'm gona say this for the last time and if yall don't listen to me than yall can waste your money on the G92 series. DX10 cards WILL RUN DX10.1 GAMES! They just can't use the DX10.1 features, which are "Shader 4.1" (Ho Boy! gotta get that .1) and "Tesselation" effect. I got this straight from the nvidia forum.

Swiftstrike5

Yeah but that .1 `s a teaser right? It`s not like they just discovered this and said "Let`s add this shiny shxt". Is not that people with DX10 cards should worry, but the point is IMO they already had the technology and surely even more one year ago at least and they`ll milk the highend market for every .1 they`ll add once in 3-4 months.

I'm gona say this for the last time and if yall don't listen to me than yall can waste your money on the G92 series. DX10 cards WILL RUN DX10.1 GAMES! They just can't use the DX10.1 features, which are "Shader 4.1" (Ho Boy! gotta get that .1) and "Tesselation" effect. I got this straight from the nvidia forum.

Swiftstrike5

Exactly, people are intepreting this wrong. It is all the whiners who can't get an 8800GTX who were all giddy when they thought they could come here and tell us all we wasted our money.

how many of you here think pci-e 1.1's bandwidth is being maxxed out with today's present games/ video cards?

please raise your hands, I dare you.

So please remember, what you are hearing here is stuff that will be needed if you WANT to stay in first place with technology, and if you havent learned this yet, it is easier to sprout wings and fly than it is to stay ahead of all tech.

Just because this stuff comes out doesn't mean our stuff wil be obsolete, it just means we won't be ahead of every new tech product. and don't forget that please,

f575gtc

*applauds*

i honestly dont think MS can be this retarded they must have heard the outrage when certain games were gonna be Vista only, now they are making a new dx10 before dx10 is being used?

HA, is this even true or is it still a rumor?

would a 8800gts run a dx9 game better than a 7900xx equivelant or worse? cause if its better than 8800gts owners are at no loss here

Stick with 7 series and just upgrade your processor and ram to run extreme game. nic4games

Actually that's what I did, I just bought a Q6600, 4 gigs ram and a 7900gs. I know two things about my purchase, 1. I'm not going to get the full benefit of 4 gigs of ram 2. I'll be updating my GPU when there's enough games and better hardware at a cheaper price.