Warhammer 40k Space Marine vs. Rage: Which will be better?

opinions?

Rage. It will also be this year's best shooter. id can't afford to **** up this one.

is this system wars :P

both will do wlel their also from two different genre's space marine is an action game in the same vein as DMC, darksiders & onimusha rgae is an fps..

Even though I'm a pretty big DOW 40k fan, I will easily go with Rage. Space Marine looks like an all-out action game without substance. I hope I'm wrong but everything I've seen so far looks lackluster; slapped into one package for the hack n slash, beat'em up gamers. That isn't necessarily a bad thing though.Elann2008

Substance? LOL!! Name me one game that ID Software has been part of that EVER had any substance? Rage is a shooter, not an RPG. At least WH40k Space Marine has some RPG elements to it.

Don't get me wrong, Rage looks like an awesome shooter with cutting-edge graphics, but not a game with lots of substance. WH40k looks awesome as well so it will be interesting to see which one turns out better. Rage is definitely getting more hype, but that doesn't really mean anything.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Even though I'm a pretty big DOW 40k fan, I will easily go with Rage. Space Marine looks like an all-out action game without substance. I hope I'm wrong but everything I've seen so far looks lackluster; slapped into one package for the hack n slash, beat'em up gamers. That isn't necessarily a bad thing though.Baurus_1

Substance? LOL!! Name me one game that ID Software has been part of that EVER had any substance? Rage is a shooter, not an RPG. At least WH40k Space Marine has some RPG elements to it.

Don't get me wrong, Rage looks like an awesome shooter with cutting-edge graphics, but not a game with lots of substance. WH40k looks awesome as well so it will be interesting to see which one turns out better. Rage is definitely getting more hype, but that doesn't really mean anything.

Space Marine looks, ok I guess. But like Elann said it looks like it lacks any kind of substance. Rage on the other hand looks really good and iD is putting a lot of work into making it deeper than anything else they've done.

Hmm I'm going to go with Rage, looks awesome.

Looking at both its going to be close. 2 Different Genres and i think people maybe underestimating Space Marine a bit here. I mean apart from game play what do we know about either story? I am sure SM will beat Rage in that department and would be surprised if it was the other way around but you never know. Right now i am going to say both will be rated equally as high, unless one is a flop for some unknown reason. Sales i think Rage will win thanks to the sheer amount of FPS junkies and the already apparent moans from 40K fans putting off non 40K fans. I hope SM is the better game i am a huge Games Workshop fan to be honest a great universe created in Britain and a world wide company struggling to bring so much to so many for years. Walk into a Games Workshop and get invited for a game or to paint i think the place is great and i wish our government here in the UK would give it more Kudos oh and the Press.

Looking at both its going to be close. 2 Different Genres and i think people maybe underestimating Space Marine a bit here.

jwsoul

I agree. WH40k Space Marine is way underrated right now and may end up being an awesome game that doesn't get much attention because of lack of hype. Meanwhile, Rage is part of the usual hype machine but might not end up being as great as everyone is expecting. I guess we all will just have to wait and see.

I already ordered the Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Collector's Edition (PC version). A 3rd person action game based in the Warhammer universe is just too awesome to pass up! Makes Gears of War look pretty lame in comparison.

I don't care which games are hyped the most. I buy whichever games look the best to me.

I already ordered the Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Collector's Edition (PC version). A 3rd person action game based in the Warhammer universe is just too awesome to pass up! Makes Gears of War look pretty lame in comparison.

I don't care which games are hyped the most. I buy whichever games look the best to me.

Baurus_1

But how exactly does it make Gears of War look pretty lame when it's obviously inspired by it?Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]But how exactly does it make Gears of War look pretty lame when it's obviously inspired by it?Baurus_1

I do not disagree with you that the Warhammer 40k universe is far more interesting. To me, Gears of War hasn't really developed itself into what you would call a game universe. But making the comparison between the two is just unthoughtful. It was so random how you came about it. Warhammer 40k hasn't done anything like this before, so whichever way you go about it, it is probably inspired by Gears of War or a game that is similar to it.

Note: I am referring to the gameplay style, not the universe. The whole gore, chainsawing, Warhammer-becoming a shooter, all in third-person. Whether you want to deny it or not, the gameplay style is inspired by Gears of War. I am hoping its deeper than it looks though.

RAGE! of course! ID has a big history of making great FPS. all the games they have make so far are perfect and i enjoyed them a lot. my favorite is DOOM3 . But Relic has never made a action game before so i dont have high expectantions from Space marine as it is their first action game. But rage will be the best game that for sure.

I think Space Marine will get about 7.0 scores, while Rage 8.5 scores.

I personally don't see anything special about Rage, but you can bet that it'll be way more polished than Space Marine.

I think Space Marine will get about 7.0 scores, while Rage 8.5 scores.

GeneralShowzer

Rage all the way. ID always makes good FPSs, while this is Relic's first shooter game based on the Warhammer series.

Even if Rgae doesn't live up to it's expectations, a lot of people will buy it because of the hype.

Rage, no contest

If your going to do a WH40K action game, you do it as an RPG where you progress from a guardsman, to veteran, to marine... so on. Choosing weapon/wargear specialities along the way etc.They just basically distilled the complexity and intricacy of 40K down to a hack n slash game.

RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

Both games look fun, but I know RAGE will make me part with money first.

RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

D1zzyCriminal

I'd go as far as to say it is themost important event in gaming this year. This is id's first game this generation. That's huge.

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RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

Phoenix534

I'd go as far as to say it is themost important event in gaming this year. This is id's first game this generation. That's huge.

I was being slightly ambiguous so I didnt end up sparking offthe wrongargument. Its definetly my most aticipated title along with Deus Ex: HR.

I'm sure Space Marine will be a very solid shooter, but Rage is just a bigger and more ambitious title

Rage

Quake III and Quake IV were crap. However, Rage does look quite good. That being said, I think WH40k Space Marine will be better because of the Warhammer universe alone. The Warhammer universe is just awesome and very interesting with a great amount of lore to it. It is extremely unlikely that id Software can think of a better setting than the Warhammer universe. Also, the gameplay for WH40k Space Marine simply looks better than Rage.

I think it will most likely end up like this:

WH40k Space Marine = great graphics, awesome gameplay

Rage = awesome graphics, decent gameplay

I predict a score of 9.0 or higher for WH40k Space Marine.

I predict a score of 8.0 for Rage.

In my opinion, Relic Entertainment is simply a better game developer than id Software.

Space Marine has pretty mediocre visuals judging by the gameplay footage. It was initially going to be console only but Relic decided to be kind and make it for the PC as well.

Don't get me wrong, Relic is literally my favorite dev of all time, but ID has far more experience with shooters.

Rage for me. The last time Relic did a third person game it crashed and burned. Now I'm not saying Space Marine looks like the same type of quality as The Outfit, but because of that games existance I remain skeptical of Space Marine

What is all this nonsense about "experience with shooters" some of you are talking about? What a completely illogical argument against Relic. Relic's game "The Outfit" was Tactical Shooter! And it was a solid game. Maybe it wasn't the best game ever, but it was still a solid game.

Nevertheless, Relic knows how to make great games, period! Their Homeworld series, WH40k: Dawn of War series, and Company of Heroes series were all awesome!

On the other hand, id Software's games are kind of hit and miss, some are good and some are junk.

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RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

Phoenix534

I'd go as far as to say it is themost important event in gaming this year. This is id's first game this generation. That's huge.

Except that ID hasn't made a exceptional game in the last decade.. Doom 3 was overshadowed by Half-Life 2.. And the game by many was seen as a complete disapointment.. They are far from the juggernauts they use to be..

I'm really looking forward to Rage. Despite the setting, id are really going out of their way to create something different. Can't wait!

Quake III and Quake IV were crap.Baurus_1

Quake 3 was what?

It's the best multiplayer arena shooter id ever made, it's their most popular game, it's the standard for arena shooters, it's still active and fantastic even today.

How is that crap? or you just played the mediocre IV and assumed 3 is bad too?

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RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

sSubZerOo

I'd go as far as to say it is themost important event in gaming this year. This is id's first game this generation. That's huge.

Except that ID hasn't made a exceptional game in the last decade.. Doom 3 was overshadowed by Half-Life 2.. And the game by many was seen as a complete disapointment.. They are far from the juggernauts they use to be..

Have to agree with this. I think Rage looks and sounds pretty good, but i'm skeptical about it. I'm also not completely sold on Space Marine either. I love the 40k universe, and i'm glad that Relic is doing something different with the ip, but hopefully there's some depth to the gameplay.

Apples to oranges though, the two are completely different games.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Quake III and Quake IV were crap.DanielDust

Quake 3 was what?

It's the best multiplayer arena shooter id ever made, it's their most popular game, it's the standard for arena shooters, it's still active and fantastic even today.

How is that crap? or you just played the mediocre IV and assumed 3 is bad too?

Been following both for awhile

Rage looks quit fun..Not sure what some of yall are talking about when yall say it looks flat..Seams fun to me..Some of the different style guns they showed at e3 looked interesting..Looks to be a different kind of fps that they have tried in the past..

SPace marine not sure what to think yet..Have only seen a few vids..They didnt go into much of the game in e3.,Still its relic and 40k, what more can any relic fan want..

As im picking up both im sure ill have fun with both being different games..

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Quake III and Quake IV were crap.DanielDust

Quake 3 was what?

It's the best multiplayer arena shooter id ever made, it's their most popular game, it's the standard for arena shooters, it's still active and fantastic even today.

How is that crap? or you just played the mediocre IV and assumed 3 is bad too?

And 4 wasn't even made by id.

Quake III and Quake IV were crap. However, Rage does look quite good. That being said, I think WH40k Space Marine will be better because of the Warhammer universe alone. The Warhammer universe is just awesome and very interesting with a great amount of lore to it. It is extremely unlikely that id Software can think of a better setting than the Warhammer universe. Also, the gameplay for WH40k Space Marine simply looks better than Rage.

I think it will most likely end up like this:

WH40k Space Marine = great graphics, awesome gameplay

Rage = awesome graphics, decent gameplay

I predict a score of 9.0 or higher for WH40k Space Marine.

I predict a score of 8.0 for Rage.

In my opinion, Relic Entertainment is simply a better game developer than id Software.

Baurus_1

My my aren't you an adorable troll. Aren't you the same guy saying super meat boy shouldn't get 9.5 and it sucks. You should probably ask employees of Relic. They all will agree id Software are better developers than them.

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Quake III and Quake IV were crap. However, Rage does look quite good. That being said, I think WH40k Space Marine will be better because of the Warhammer universe alone. The Warhammer universe is just awesome and very interesting with a great amount of lore to it. It is extremely unlikely that id Software can think of a better setting than the Warhammer universe. Also, the gameplay for WH40k Space Marine simply looks better than Rage.

I think it will most likely end up like this:

WH40k Space Marine = great graphics, awesome gameplay

Rage = awesome graphics, decent gameplay

I predict a score of 9.0 or higher for WH40k Space Marine.

I predict a score of 8.0 for Rage.

In my opinion, Relic Entertainment is simply a better game developer than id Software.

harshv82

My my aren't you an adorable troll. Aren't you the same guy saying super meat boy shouldn't get 9.5 and it sucks. You should probably ask employees of Relic. They all will agree id Software are better developers than them.

If your going to do a WH40K action game, you do it as an RPG where you progress from a guardsman, to veteran, to marine... so on. Choosing weapon/wargear specialities along the way etc.They just basically distilled the complexity and intricacy of 40K down to a hack n slash game.

RAGE on the other hand isthe firstid game in 7 years, which in my opinion makes it one of the most important gaming events this year.

Both games look fun, but I know RAGE will make me part with money first.

D1zzyCriminal

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

Quake III and Quake IV were crap. However, Rage does look quite good. That being said, I think WH40k Space Marine will be better because of the Warhammer universe alone. The Warhammer universe is just awesome and very interesting with a great amount of lore to it. It is extremely unlikely that id Software can think of a better setting than the Warhammer universe. Also, the gameplay for WH40k Space Marine simply looks better than Rage.

I think it will most likely end up like this:

WH40k Space Marine = great graphics, awesome gameplay

Rage = awesome graphics, decent gameplay

I predict a score of 9.0 or higher for WH40k Space Marine.

I predict a score of 8.0 for Rage.

In my opinion, Relic Entertainment is simply a better game developer than id Software.

harshv82

My my aren't you an adorable troll. Aren't you the same guy saying super meat boy shouldn't get 9.5 and it sucks. You should probably ask employees of Relic. They all will agree id Software are better developers than them.

But on paper THEY ARE.. Relic has released more quality titles this past decade than ID.. ID literally is only known from their very very early 2000 titles and 90's titles.. Doom 3 their last big juggernaut was seen as a big disapointment by most and was completely overshadowed by Farcry and Half-Life 2.. You can't seriously base whether the game is going to be good or not on their track record for the past 10 years.. Becuase they literally have CLOSE TO NONE.

What is all this nonsense about "experience with shooters" some of you are talking about? What a completely illogical argument against Relic. Relic's game "The Outfit" was Tactical Shooter! And it was a solid game. Maybe it wasn't the best game ever, but it was still a solid game.

Nevertheless, Relic knows how to make great games, period! Their Homeworld series, WH40k: Dawn of War series, and Company of Heroes series were all awesome!

On the other hand, id Software's games are kind of hit and miss, some are good and some are junk.

Why not reboot Hexen or something? No, we're going to cash in on fad brought upon by Borderlands and the like. Phenomellama

What fad? Fallout is an established franchise that hasn't really an equivalent. Borderlands isn't post-apocalyptic, last I checked. It's very superficial to claim mediocrity when they are all very different games from one another. Hell, there are even significant aesthetic differences between each other. It's similarly erroneous when SM has comparisons draw with GOW, and the same applies here with Rage.

[A]pparent mediocrity and hiding behind some "revolutionary tech" that no one's been really impressed with yet. Phenomellama

And if you had been following the news and community for this game, you would have known that everyone who has seen Rage in action for themselves have raved about the incredibly smooth and detailed visuals; highly varied environments and enemies; strong animation and satisfying gunplay.

I get that you may not be interested all that much, but there's no need to split imaginary hairs to find fault. Just enjoy the fact that there's two really interesting games coming out from some of the best developers in the industry.

I tend to agree about Super Meat Boy in that it pushed no technical boundries.Phenomellama

So now every game has to be the new Crysis to be good? We can't rely on, you know, gameplay in our games?

Why not reboot Hexen or something? No, we're going to cash in on fad brought upon by Borderlands and the like.Phenomellama

Rage was in development before Borderlands. And also, you've never played Borderlands, have you?

Space Marine is Relic trying to get an awesome, established IP (40k) some more mainstream recognitionPhenomellama

Do you really think that some Gears of War knock-off is going to get Warhammer 40k any kind of mainstream recognition? Especially when they're releasing in the same month as Gears 3?