Warhammer Online Chosen dps??

So, i recently bought this game and after opening up the game i had no doubt, i wanted to be a big ass evil heavy armour wearing mofo dealing out 2h damage in plentiful.
But now that i've reached lvl 24 more and more people are telling me that playing a chosen as a dps char is allmost impossible and downright stupid since i wont be able to kick any kind of ass in pvp or pve when i reach lvl 40.
So what i did what: i imediatly searched the internet for forums who had discussions about this and they all came to the same conclusions "chosen will never be as good a dps char as (c)lasses like marauder, witch elf and so on" But at the same time people were flaming mythic for not making this (c)lass good enough as a dps, and that they were all hoping this would change in later patches.
But since the only discussions i could find about this topic was from 2008 i was hoping that mythic had changed this by now so i won't have to reroll ??

So does anyone know if this has been changed or can anyone tell me that those people were all wrong and that dps'ing as a chosen IS possible ??


Im only interested in playing melee dps (c)lass WITH heavy armour, and from what i read neither the black orcs, or the black guards are that much better at dps'ing. Can it really be they made a game with no heavy armour wearing dps (c)lass' ??


And before people tell me to play wow, I refuse to go back to wow! not even when cataclysm comes out. Wow (c)lassic might make me think about it, but so would an angel standing before me also make me think about that maybe there is a god? but seriously,neither will never happen.

I hope for some quick and helpfull replies, thanks in advance :-)


And btw why the **** is the word (c)lass not allowed to write ?? wth ?? is it because the editors don't have any or what ?? what could possibly be the reason for this ?? its a normal ****ing word ?!

Heavy armor dps class? Balance anyone?

If you've played class basedpvp mmo's at all you have to know tank=survivability, dps=squishy. You can't have it all, there must be balance. The higher your damage the less your survivability, and vice versa, just the way it is.

You rolled a tank, tanks are suppose to disrupt the enemy and protect the squishies, you're a meatshield.

My main is a RR72 Marauder, I eat 2H tanks for lunch, imo 2H tanks=fail. No different than people who roll healers and use them to dps. If you want to dps roll a dps toon. Remember this is a team game first, it is not built for 1v1. Chosen are very powerful for what they do, and theyre damage at higher renown ranks is not laughable at all. Just remember for every strength you must have a weakness.

Saying that, Ironbreakers and Black Orcs are probably your best bet at what you want.

I have to say that allthough i can see your perspective and agree with some parts, in total i very much disagree.
For example in wow, i played a retridin and a arms/fury warrior, there you have dps + heavy armour in a perfect mix, the dps might not be as good as mages or rogue's but then they could contribute in other ways (buffs mostly) and therefore weren't overpowered or underpowered, they were just right.
And this is what im looking for in this game, i don't care if my aoe dps isnt as good as the rdps or that i won't peak every dps meter in every instance/SC, what i want is to play to lvl 40 as a dps chosen and then when getting there,not get ruled out of party's and warbands because my "(c)lass setupis stupid" and then having to resort to tanking(which i HATE) or rerolling to a different (c)lass, which i fear may ruin this game for me.

I have to say that allthough i can see your perspective and agree with some parts, in total i very much disagree.
For example in wow, i played a retridin and a arms/fury warrior, there you have dps + heavy armour in a perfect mix, the dps might not be as good as mages or rogue's but then they could contribute in other ways (buffs mostly) and therefore weren't overpowered or underpowered, they were just right.
And this is what im looking for in this game, i don't care if my aoe dps isnt as good as the rdps or that i won't peak every dps meter in every instance/SC, what i want is to play to lvl 40 as a dps chosen and then when getting there,not get ruled out of party's and warbands because my "(c)lass setupis stupid" and then having to resort to tanking(which i HATE) or rerolling to a different (c)lass, which i fear may ruin this game for me.

jthewonder

You can dislike it or disagree all you want, that is how it is lol.

You don't want to be told to go back to WoW but you are setting yourself up for that reply, aren't you? Warhammer is not wow, it is a pvp game first, pve second. WoW was not built around pvp, war is. If every ****could have both damage and survivability then you could have your wish, but how balancing is it to have a tank run around with 10k wounds, heavy armor, AND high dps when other(c)lasses only get the dps part of it? It is called balance my friend, what you want simply does not exist.

If you are only level 24 rerolling is nothing. I have 5 level 40's, easy as hell to level up in this game. Try a Marauder for a little less survivability or one of the 2h tanks I mentioned for a little less dps, it is the closest thing you will get to what you want. If you are not willing to do that go back to WoW. There, I said it.

You misunderstood my last post or maybe i wasn't clear enough, i agree that having heavy armoured melee powerhouses with high dps and a(s)hitload of health is impossible to balance into any sort of game, nor can i see why anyone would want that, but a melee heavy armoured dps is still possible without making it unbalanced, wow, aoc, lotro and so on have proven this.

During my time playing online games all the heavy armoured (c)lasses allways either had the option of choosing aspecific talent tree that would turn you down the dps road, or there was a ****made up entirely for this.
And considering how the Black Orc, Chosen and Black Guard all have the talent tree option of going dps, i just find it strange (bordering on crazy) that you can't actually use it for anything else than faster solo lvl'ing which is the slowest and least fun way of gaming mmo's.

Now maybe im just playing the wrong game but how come that WAR is the onlymmorpg (that i know off) that doesn't have any melee heavy armoured dps (c)lasses???

Balancing is still very much possible, just decrease some other abilitys and it will work, just as it worked in wow, aoc and lotro.

But just to be clear, would you say a chosen playing as dps would have the same chances of getting into pug's and stuff as fx.a marauder dps ?? or just close to??



*also, i have a very limited attention span, so i never reach top lvl more than once, playing the same game over again is impossible for me, no matter how different the way you play it is. this is why rerolling might kill the game for me.

Now maybe im just playing the wrong game but how come that WAR is the onlymmorpg (that i know off) that doesn't have any melee heavy armoured dps (c)lasses???

jthewonder

I've never heard of a heavy plate DPS class in ANY mmo. What you get are people playing tank classes and TRYING to turn them into a dps class. An arms or fury warrior in wow is still a tank class, people are just specing them to try and do damage. There aren't any heavy armored DPS classes in AoC either. The Conquerer is more of an off-tank/support class, but yes it does the most DPS out of all the tank classes...but it's still not a DPSer.

Back when I played, a Chosen could do fairly decent damage with the right tactics and talents; but unless you're making a pvp video to show l337 2h crits, you're going to be fairly useless because the damage is still mediocre and you wont really be able to tank. Let the DPS classes DPS. Go sword and board and guard one of those DPS classes and you will be a lot more helpful to your team. Playing as an actual tank in Warhammer is rewarding and fun.

well in that case, what im looking for isnt a heavy armoured dps, but something similar to the fury/arms warrior/retridin in wow and conqueror in aoc.
not so much because i dislike the other (c)lasses, but since they're playstyl(e) suits mine perfectly.

is my chosen capable of this ?? i mean will it be worse compared to the other (c)lasses (dps wise) than warriors were in wow ?? or conqueror in aoc??




omg why is the word (s)tyle also not allowed ??Are (c)lass and (s)tyle some kind of evil slang somewhere ???

Your Chosen will never be a good DPS class, just the way this game works. What it IS good at is survivability with sword and board, and AoE buffs and debuffs. Devoting your time to twisting three or four abilities, or I think there are add-ins that will do this automatically for you, is much more helpful in RvR. I think you can also Protect teammates with your shield, right? It's been a while. That being said, they were my favourite class in the game.

As previously mentioned, Black Orc has some abilities that will probably give it more overall DPS if you want something like that. What about Choppa? I'm not sure of the style they wear or their survivability, though.

Don't believe some of the crap here. Just because you roll a class that can tank doesn't mean that's all it does. Using WoW's warrior class is a piss poor example of this because simply speccing arms or fury immediately classifies you as DPS. With enough gear and individual player skill, you can DPS just as well as the rest of them.

When I played Warhammer I also went with Chosen, because like you, the look of an armored behemoth looked pretty baddass. However, I went the sword and shield route because it was good fun. While I didn't do as much damage as 2h-based Chosen or other dps classes, I could fight as well as the rest of them. PvP in War is not just about KILL KILL KILL, it requires players to utilize a sense of strategy. As a durable chosen, I was able to hold points and assault ones, hold the flag, etc etc.

But, you will do just as well as anyone else at DPS even if you go Chosen 2-hander. You go with a DPS specialization. Just because you went Chosen doesn't mean you pidgeonhole yourself into only being a tank. It's really up to you though.

A DPS Chosen sacrifices many abilities that keep him alive.

If you have fun playing a 2-handed Chosen, who gives a crap? Play to have fun, not how everyone else tells you how to play, or if something is "better".

Mythpro1: i was hoping for a post like yours since it boosts my longing to make my chosen a badass, even though its not the best possible. with that said im still wondering how people react when you join pug's or guilds ?? do you know how much harder it is for a chosen to join compared to a"dps-only"??
don't wanna reach 40 and then be left out of everything due to nothing else but my (c)lass choice.

Myopic: Have you played any other mmo's as a tank ?? im thinking about making a Plan-B where i could change into tanking if needed, but not if it isn't somehow improved compared to other mmo's, so if you know something about this, any info would be appreciated :)

Mythpro1: i was hoping for a post like yours since it boosts my longing to make my chosen a badass, even though its not the best possible. with that said im still wondering how people react when you join pug's or guilds ?? do you know how much harder it is for a chosen to join compared to a"dps-only"??
don't wanna reach 40 and then be left out of everything due to nothing else but my (c)lass choice.

Myopic: Have you played any other mmo's as a tank ?? im thinking about making a Plan-B where i could change into tanking if needed, but not if it isn't somehow improved compared to other mmo's, so if you know something about this, any info would be appreciated :)

jthewonder

Going off your question to Myopic, I played a Warrior in WoW for about a year, and I thouroughly enjoyed playing as a Tank, but I did DPS as well if the need called for it. Was able to tank pretty much everything the game offered including the "new" Lich King stuff. Since tanks are so few and far between in MMOs you're in constant demand. I think people have this thing for wanting to see gigantic damage numbers or something. Why DPS is just facerolling your keyboard I suppose.

I wouldn't be too concerned about not finding groups or guilds who'll take you. If they're that close-minded you're probably better off avoiding them anyway. People join guilds to have fun and experience a sense of community, not to be told what to do and how to play. That's the way I roll at least. There's always someone looking for people to group with.

Avoid the elitist guilds as much as possible, and just play to have fun. You're always going to have some mouth-breather telling you what to do, or making fun of you because you're doing something wrong. Ran into this when I first started tanking, as they think gear is everything and player skill matters little in the swing of things. People like this are generally idiots, just ignore them.

To reiterate, do what you want. Play to have fun. Don't worry if you picked the right profession, skillset, or whatever. If you enjoy the playtime you spent, that's all that matters.

Thx for your replies Mythpro1, they are sincerely appreciated :-)

My plan now is to take my chosen to 40, and if need be i'll learn to tank on an off-base. Or if this game catches my attention enough i might choose a different (c)lass if i wanna go a bit more serious.

Thx for the help guys, helped a lot :-)

Myopic: Have you played any other mmo's as a tank ?? im thinking about making a Plan-B where i could change into tanking if needed, but not if it isn't somehow improved compared to other mmo's, so if you know something about this, any info would be appreciated :)

jthewonder

It's pretty different because you're spending a lot of time playing against other players, so the skills have to be different. It's been a couple years since I played, but I think you get a protect skill where you absorb the damage of someone as long as you are near them, you also get a Hold the Line type thing where you can block for everyone behind you and mitigate damage, so you'll see a couple guys with shields at the front of the line and then have casters and archers and such behind them (when you do RvR). It's actually pretty fun to stop an advance of enemies trying to run up the stairs with you at the helm, blocking attacks for a bit until your skill needs to recharge and another one takes over :)

And the Chosen play****itself primary uses auras to benefit teammates and debuff enemies, and if you twist three of those at a time, it's very helpful.

Check here for some stuff:http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330968

There's even more I forgot.. challenge is a good skill to use since it reduces enemy damage, Repel to smack enemies off casters and such...

As others have stated, Chosen are TANKS. They are meant to TAKE DAMAGE and SUPPORT their group through their skills. They are one of the lowest DPS classes in the game. If you want to do damage, do not roll a tank career. You can choose to focus on damage if you want, but you'll never come close to a DPS-focused career, nor will you be utilizing your career to its fullest extent. If you want a Destruction melee DPS class, I'd suggest either Choppa or Marauder.

I think KOTBS would be ur best bet...if thats what u want to do

lol I kind of had a chuckle reading your comments tc. You need to do some background checking prior to picking a class. You chose a tanking class to dps with. While you can do that in WOW since they try to make every class do everything in Warhammer it won't work.

I think KOTBS would be ur best bet...if thats what u want to do

edinsftw

Don't believe some of the crap here. Just because you roll a class that can tank doesn't mean that's all it does. Using WoW's warrior class is a piss poor example of this because simply speccing arms or fury immediately classifies you as DPS. With enough gear and individual player skill, you can DPS just as well as the rest of them.

When I played Warhammer

MythPro1

Key phrase here "when I played Warhammer". I assume that was before the pre-ravage nerf? Yes you can roll a dps tank, but don't expect slayer/choppa like damage.

Thx for your replies Mythpro1, they are sincerely appreciated :-)

My plan now is to take my chosen to 40, and if need be i'll learn to tank on an off-base. Or if this game catches my attention enough i might choose a different (c)lass if i wanna go a bit more serious.

Thx for the help guys, helped a lot :-)

jthewonder

Glad you could find someone who would tell you what you wanted to hear lol.

I think KOTBS would be ur best bet...if thats what u want to do

edinsftw