WC4 please...

Really wish they had just gone back to their RTS roots and made Warcraft 4 instead of stringing out a dated and tired MMORPG even longer...they'll probably losea good percentageof their user base when TOR is released based on what I've seen on my realm forum and chat.

What makes Blizzard think that at this point, a new expansion pack would be more profitable than an entirely new Warcraft game tha continues the story and evolves the gameplay?

I don't know about anyone else but I spent about 5 minutes with Cataclysm...

Really wish they had just gone back to their RTS roots and made Warcraft 4 instead of stringing out a dated and tired MMORPG even longer...they'll probably losea good percentageof their user base when TOR is released based on what I've seen on my realm forum and chat.

What makes Blizzard think that at this point, a new expansion pack would be more profitable than an entirely new Warcraft game tha continues the story and evolves the gameplay?

I don't know about anyone else but I spent about 5 minutes with Cataclysm...

Starshine_M2A2

Why would blizzard have two RTSes out at the same time?

Yes, we need a new Warcraft RTS so it can add new things that everyone will claim is breaking lore.ZombiezLovePie

This list of things that broke warcraft lore:

Everything except orcs and humans.

Why would blizzard have two RTSes out at the same time?GummiRaccoon

As far as I understand it, they pretty much have one "RTS" team and they are of course working on Starcraft 2 at the moment.

So I would be very surprised if they would start working, at least on a large scale, on WC4 before they are done with all 3 parts of SC2.

So Maybe around 2018-2020?

So Maybe around 2018-2020?Technomancer82

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]Why would blizzard have two RTSes out at the same time?Starshine_M2A2

It would cannibalize sales, simple no? In business you don't compete with yourself and WC4 and SC2 would be direct competitors.

I would love to see another Warcraft game that is 100% RTS. Even though I am more fond of RPGS, I liked WC1 and WC2 more then the 3rd (which was still very good).

Something about WC1/2 that just had me addicted for hours

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]Why would blizzard have two RTSes out at the same time?GummiRaccoon

It would cannibalize sales, simple no? In business you don't compete with yourself and WC4 and SC2 would be direct competitors.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] Because some people like Starcraft and some people like Warcraft. Simple, no?Starshine_M2A2

It would cannibalize sales, simple no? In business you don't compete with yourself and WC4 and SC2 would be direct competitors.

No it's just wrong. There is no business reason to release 2 competing products for the exact same market. Yes you want WC4 but you want blizzard to sink the company because they'll sink the production cost of 2 games into 2 games but only get the sales figures of 1 game between the 2 of them.

WoW is WC4

follow the Ashbringer storyline, thats pretty much Warcraft 4, its much more epic than WC3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_oyXSSFAL0

They're only 1/3rd of the way through Starcraft 2 at the moment.
Maybe they'll start working on a new Warcraft by 2014 - if they don't choose to continue the Warcraft storyline (such as it is) in WoW2, or something similar.

They're only 1/3rd of the way through Starcraft 2 at the moment.
Maybe they'll start working on a new Warcraft by 2014 - if they don't choose to continue the Warcraft storyline (such as it is) in WoW2, or something similar.

Planeforger

I'd like to see a switch. WoS and then WC4

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

It would cannibalize sales, simple no? In business you don't compete with yourself and WC4 and SC2 would be direct competitors.

No it's just wrong. There is no business reason to release 2 competing products for the exact same market. Yes you want WC4 but you want blizzard to sink the company because they'll sink the production cost of 2 games into 2 games but only get the sales figures of 1 game between the 2 of them.

I can't wait till the release of WCIV - I hope Blizz will be able to sustain the warcraft RTS games along with their mmo games..

At least we got SCII and hopefully DIII soon as well, so I guess WCIV is a matter of time and tbh. Blizz should not have to decide doing either a wow xp or a new warcraft 4 game, they should do BOTH! :)

Nooooo....some people like Warcraft and some people like Starcraft. Very few people get both. That was my earlier point which you have once again missed. It has nothing to do with production costs and I doubt it would sink Blizzard if they made both games anyway.Starshine_M2A2

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my assumption would be that the vast majority of players love Warcraft/Starcraft for the gameplay rather than the lore. So yes, there will be your loreheads being super excited for a WC4, but many people like Warcraft now because of the MMO and I don't see the vast majority of that MMO WoW fanbase moving over to WC4 just because it's Warcraft. It's the gameplay that brings the most people - not the lore.

So as others have said, why have two competing products that have almost identical gameplay? By having both, you'll only appease the lore lovers on both sides whereas most people will choose whether they want to buy Starcraft or Warcraft.

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Nooooo....some people like Warcraft and some people like Starcraft. Very few people get both. That was my earlier point which you have once again missed. It has nothing to do with production costs and I doubt it would sink Blizzard if they made both games anyway.Cwagmire21

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my assumption would be that the vast majority of players love Warcraft/Starcraft for the gameplay rather than the lore. So yes, there will be your loreheads being super excited for a WC4, but many people like Warcraft now because of the MMO and I don't see the vast majority of that MMO WoW fanbase moving over to WC4 just because it's Warcraft. It's the gameplay that brings the most people - not the lore.

So as others have said, why have two competing products that have almost identical gameplay? By having both, you'll only appease the lore lovers on both sides whereas most people will choose whether they want to buy Starcraft or Warcraft.

Warcraft 4 would probably have vastly different gameplay than Starcraft 2. I would expect it to be something similar to Dawn of War II. You have a group of heroes plus a few basic grunts and have to do special quests. That's completely different than Starcraft 2. Many Warcraft 3 players didn't like the Starcraft 2 gameplay. Some probably enjoyed the campaign but wanted the RPG aspects of Warcraft 3. I really think there are two separate audiences. There is a small overlap, like myself, who would buy both or make an "either/or" decision, but I think there would be pretty good sales for both. I believe Blizzard here in that the only reason they aren't making Warcraft 4 is because of WoW.

WoW is basically hogging all the lore and story they can come up with now. If they split it into two games than people from both games get mad that lore/story is missing in their particular game. Since WoW is ongoing and they don't know when they will stop making expansions for it, the only other option would be to set WC4 in the far past that doesn't conflict with any other story. But then there's the problem where you have all new characters that most players don't know anything about and can't relate to.

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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] It seems my early point wasn't as simple as I thought it would be...Starshine_M2A2

No it's just wrong. There is no business reason to release 2 competing products for the exact same market. Yes you want WC4 but you want blizzard to sink the company because they'll sink the production cost of 2 games into 2 games but only get the sales figures of 1 game between the 2 of them.

Why would you think that is 2 different audiences? It's the same genre by the same company. I know for a fact that all my friends and I love both.

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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

Nooooo....some people like Warcraft and some people like Starcraft. Very few people get both. That was my earlier point which you have once again missed. It has nothing to do with production costs and I doubt it would sink Blizzard if they made both games anyway.James00715

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my assumption would be that the vast majority of players love Warcraft/Starcraft for the gameplay rather than the lore. So yes, there will be your loreheads being super excited for a WC4, but many people like Warcraft now because of the MMO and I don't see the vast majority of that MMO WoW fanbase moving over to WC4 just because it's Warcraft. It's the gameplay that brings the most people - not the lore.

So as others have said, why have two competing products that have almost identical gameplay? By having both, you'll only appease the lore lovers on both sides whereas most people will choose whether they want to buy Starcraft or Warcraft.

Warcraft 4 would probably have vastly different gameplay than Starcraft 2. I would expect it to be something similar to Dawn of War II. You have a group of heroes plus a few basic grunts and have to do special quests. That's completely different than Starcraft 2. Many Warcraft 3 players didn't like the Starcraft 2 gameplay. Some probably enjoyed the campaign but wanted the RPG aspects of Warcraft 3. I really think there are two separate audiences. There is a small overlap, like myself, who would buy both or make an "either/or" decision, but I think there would be pretty good sales for both. I believe Blizzard here in that the only reason they aren't making Warcraft 4 is because of WoW.

WoW is basically hogging all the lore and story they can come up with now. If they split it into two games than people from both games get mad that lore/story is missing in their particular game. Since WoW is ongoing and they don't know when they will stop making expansions for it, the only other option would be to set WC4 in the far past that doesn't conflict with any other story. But then there's the problem where you have all new characters that most players don't know anything about and can't relate to.

IIRC at blizzcon they said they have different development teams for each genre now, so the guys that are doing WoW are not going to do WC4 but will move on to Titan.

It'll be the SC team that does WC4 when that happens.

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

No it's just wrong. There is no business reason to release 2 competing products for the exact same market. Yes you want WC4 but you want blizzard to sink the company because they'll sink the production cost of 2 games into 2 games but only get the sales figures of 1 game between the 2 of them.

Why would you think that is 2 different audiences? It's the same genre by the same company. I know for a fact that all my friends and I love both.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] Nooooo....some people like Warcraft and some people like Starcraft. Very few people get both. That was my earlier point which you have once again missed. It has nothing to do with production costs and I doubt it would sink Blizzard if they made both games anyway.Starshine_M2A2

Why would you think that is 2 different audiences? It's the same genre by the same company. I know for a fact that all my friends and I love both.

Because they are the same market segment. This isn't like BF3 and MW3 where it is 2 companies competing in the same segment, if blizzard had WC4 and SC2 at the same time they would be competing with themselves. BF3 and MW3 play different but it is the same audience.

Because they are the same market segment. This isn't like BF3 and MW3 where it is 2 companies competing in the same segment, if blizzard had WC4 and SC2 at the same time they would be competing with themselves. BF3 and MW3 play different but it is the same audience.GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]Because they are the same market segment. This isn't like BF3 and MW3 where it is 2 companies competing in the same segment, if blizzard had WC4 and SC2 at the same time they would be competing with themselves. BF3 and MW3 play different but it is the same audience.Starshine_M2A2

It's not the same market segment. Yes there are fans of blizzard, but everyone that plays WoW won't play sc2/wc4 or dIII. WC4 and SC2 are the exact same market segment. MW3 and BF3 are the same market segment but they are competing companies. If MW3 wasn't about to get released BF3 would get more sales and vice versa, they are trying to steal customers from each other which is why you see them talk about each other constantly.

Why would blizzard create their own competition?

Double the production cost for a minimal gain in sales? It would end up costing them money

And market segment doesn't mean marketing. Market segment is literally a group of people who are interested in buying that product because it caters to their interest (RTS)

Well, it looks like we'll have to agree to differ, mate.Starshine_M2A2

Except that your point of view is the opposite of what actually happens, go take a business course or 2 and you will understand why I am correct and you are wrong.

They might be working on a Warcraft 4.

WoW isn't going anywhere at the moment, but I think that Blizzard's biggest mistake is not continuing the storyline in Warcraft 4. Not that the current storyline is bad, it's just that it could have been so much better.

WoW isn't going anywhere at the moment, but I think that Blizzard's biggest mistake is not continuing the storyline in Warcraft 4. Not that the current storyline is bad, it's just that it could have been so much better.

SovietsUnited

Are you saying WoW was a mistake or that only WoW's storyline was a mistake? Because whether you like WoW or not, from a business perspective, WoW was definitely not a mistake.

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WoW isn't going anywhere at the moment, but I think that Blizzard's biggest mistake is not continuing the storyline in Warcraft 4. Not that the current storyline is bad, it's just that it could have been so much better.

Cwagmire21

Are you saying WoW was a mistake or that only WoW's storyline was a mistake? Because whether you like WoW or not, from a business perspective, WoW was definitely not a mistake.

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]Well, it looks like we'll have to agree to differ, mate.GummiRaccoon

Except that your point of view is the opposite of what actually happens, go take a business course or 2 and you will understand why I am correct and you are wrong.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]Because they are the same market segment. This isn't like BF3 and MW3 where it is 2 companies competing in the same segment, if blizzard had WC4 and SC2 at the same time they would be competing with themselves. BF3 and MW3 play different but it is the same audience.Starshine_M2A2

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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]Well, it looks like we'll have to agree to differ, mate.Starshine_M2A2

Except that your point of view is the opposite of what actually happens, go take a business course or 2 and you will understand why I am correct and you are wrong.

I'd have to agree with Gummi. You cannot count solely on rooting out the lore lovers of WC (who do not like Starcraft) to bring in profit.

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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]Well, it looks like we'll have to agree to differ, mate.Starshine_M2A2

Except that your point of view is the opposite of what actually happens, go take a business course or 2 and you will understand why I am correct and you are wrong.

It has nothing to do with opinion, that is where you are getting mixed up. This stuff is covered very extensively and it is repeatable. If you release products that serve the exact same market segment you negatively affect your own sales. It's in any business text book, go look it up. It's no opinion, it's fact. You only think it is opinion because you have no knowledge of this subject.