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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

When were those charts made? because I have seen benchmarks done where in 90% of games tested they were only 1-3 fps difference and other games both traded blows.... with high resolutions. Only one or two games that were testedthat the 8800GT had more then a 6 fps gain over 5670

swehunt

If you would have bothered looking at a review this is what it says at the test setup page,

• All video card results were obtained on this exact system with the exact same configuration.
• All games were set to their highest quality setting

Yeah, my 6950 performs much faster than those tech powerup charts, but I am running drivers meant for my card. I wonder if those charts are using the drivers released before the 6xxx series, there is a significant performance boost since then.

GummiRaccoon

Seems to me nobody knows how techpowerup charts work.

[QUOTE="swehunt"]It's these huge techpowerup charts. :lol: These charts are both old and new, each card runs a different driver, no real comparison can be made outta it, only a estemate.Gambler_3

If you would have bothered looking at a review this is what it says at the test setup page,

• All video card results were obtained on this exact system with the exact same configuration.
• All games were set to their highest quality setting

Seems to me nobody knows how techpowerup charts work.

If you manage to snag a chart from techpowerup and post it here, manage to even qoute them driectly from their site I do not think it's to much to actually understand what the quote actually says!

It says NOTHING about what drivers were used, and honestly do you in your wildest imagination think they have the time to run benchmarks on 60 cards sevral times a month? It takes huge amount of time and isn't even remotly possible to do!

I know for a fact that this is not the case, Techpowerup test the cards one time, then they just add up with new results as they come, thats why they manage to make charts with is all incorrect and still have it in the chart.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="swehunt"]It's these huge techpowerup charts. :lol: These charts are both old and new, each card runs a different driver, no real comparison can be made outta it, only a estemate.swehunt

If you would have bothered looking at a review this is what it says at the test setup page,

• All video card results were obtained on this exact system with the exact same configuration.
• All games were set to their highest quality setting

Seems to me nobody knows how techpowerup charts work.

If you manage to snag a chart from techpowerup and post it here, manage to even qoute them driectly from their site I do not think it's to much to actually understand what the quote actually says!

It says NOTHING about what drivers were used, and honestly do you in your wildest imagination think they have the time to run benchmarks on 60 cards sevral times a month? It takes huge amount of time and isn't even remotly possible to do!

I know for a fact that this is not the case, Techpowerup test the cards one time, then they just add up with new results as they come, thats why they manage to make charts with is all incorrect and still have it in the chart.

Techpowerup and tomshardware are my two main sites for hardware information, when i have i see a difference in results in the two sites i go to others

Well on game debate (www.game-debate.com) you can compare graphics cards. the hd 5670 is said to be 27 procent higher than the 9800 gt

That's confusing now i got three different answers, i need to keep on looking. let's go to guru 3d

ok ok ok, the fact is these benchmarks have a purpose and they provide excellent information in what a card is capable of , there might be some differences but overall the reviewers come to the same conclusion. The more times passes , the more the drivers are updated and the information becomes more accurate.

Techpowerup and tomshardware are my two main sites for hardware information, when i have i see a difference in results in the two sites i go to others

Well on game debate (www.game-debate.com) you can compare graphics cards. the hd 5670 is said to be 27 procent higher than the 9800 gt

That's confusing now i got three different answers, i need to keep on looking. let's go to guru 3d

evildead6789

The giant ranking list of techpowerup is great because it gives you a good hint on the performance but it's not entirely accurate since the older card were run with really old drivers but the new ones have new drivers.

Opposite to what Gambler try to give the impression of, this giant list is NOT coneccted to the reviews in any other way than that its just a ranking list, witch they put in results from their reviews over a long time.

Whenever I see that chart as a veto on X pwns X card I giggle a little, the older cards is not tested at the same instance on the same drivers, yes they may have been tested with the same hardware but thats the case with most reviewers as they usally use the same bench for a long time streaching over sevral years.

Well thats not speaking for the HD5670 is it?, because the 8800gt is older, but I have been comparing different reviews from anandtech and HW3d and tomsHw, they do indeed perform near eachother, the 8800gt seems to have better results in the shader heavy games but the opposite in different cases where the HD5670 manage to take the lead.

These giant charts are great as a owerview and general performance, but things DO change with new drivers, I remember a reviewer did a test to see how much the drivers do actually increase the performance over time well in some cases it's as much as 1/3 and in other games it remain the same, some even show a negative result where they take away some performance to fix obvious glitches in the game, point is that reviews made a long time ago is not at all relevant when we talk about difference in the single %, in a wider span then yes they provide a ranking system but the cards witch were within a few % from eachother can shift place.

If you manage to snag a chart from techpowerup and post it here, manage to even qoute them driectly from their site I do not think it's to much to actually understand what the quote actually says!

It says NOTHING about what drivers were used, and honestly do you in your wildest imagination think they have the time to run benchmarks on 60 cards sevral times a month? It takes huge amount of time and isn't even remotly possible to do!

I know for a fact that this is not the case, Techpowerup test the cards one time, then they just add up with new results as they come, thats why they manage to make charts with is all incorrect and still have it in the chart.

swehunt

And can you actually bother to go to their site???

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_5670_IceQ/5.html

The test setup INCLUDES the drivers as well and according to them all the cards are tested with those drivers except when stated otherwise.

This is the latest chart and why do you think several old cards are missing?

Pretty much all the last gen DX10 cards are non-existent because they never tested them with new drivers and thus they dont list them.

And for the chart above this what they say about the drivers,

MARS II & GTX 590: 280.26
NVIDIA: 270.61
ATI: Catalyst 11.4
HD 6670: 8.82.2 RC2

Except the mars II, GTX 590 and 6670 all cards are running the same drivers. I dont see what more transparency can you ask for.

According to Anandtech the 5670 tends to out do the 8800GT depending on resolutions. And only a few games showed that the 8800GT was at least 10% faster04dcarraher

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]According to Anandtech the 5670 tends to out do the 8800GT depending on resolutions. And only a few games showed that the 8800GT was at least 10% fasterevildead6789

Which review are you guys looking at???

In techspot's review as well the 9800GT is quite a bit faster overall, it obliterates it in quite a few games, wins narrowly in some and loses by 1FPS in just one game out of all.

http://www.techspot.com/review/240-ati-radeon-hd-5670/

And if you objection that it is 512MB vs 1GB then look at this review, once again simply a no contest.

Dont do by the "wordings" of a review, every reviewer has their own perception of what the meaning of "little difference" is, form your own opinion by looking at the numbers.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/01/14/ati-radeon-hd-5670-review/1

PS: Sorry GS isnt letting me link.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2917/404dcarraher

Looking at the 16x10 data, 5670 is 3% faster in far cry 2.

8800GT 3% faster in crysis warhead, 6% faster in battleforge, 14% faster in HAWK, 4% faster in DOW2, 8% faster in RE5, 20% faster in batman, another 18% in L4D.

Overall it is 9% faster. Yes it's lower than the techpowerup number but thats because the overall average wont be the same of any 2 reviews due to the difference selection of games benchmarked and possibly different settings used.

They only used 8 games whereas techpowerup used 18 games to make their chart thus by defaul it becomes more reliable as the bigger the sample the more reliable it is.

Overall the 5670 and 8800GT are in the same league, or same ballpark, and both trades blows with each other. Im not sure why you want to prove that the 8800GT is faster, which most know its slightly faster but it's not considerably faster. 04dcarraher

This is what you said,

I would say overall they are on par with each other 04dcarraher

It's faster in 90% of the games so no way can they be said to be "on par", jeez some people just cant admit they were wrong!

ATI: Catalyst 11.4

Gambler_3

>new drivers

>catalyst 11.4

pick one.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Overall the 5670 and 8800GT are in the same league, or same ballpark, and both trades blows with each other. Im not sure why you want to prove that the 8800GT is faster, which most know its slightly faster but it's not considerably faster. Gambler_3

This is what you said,

I would say overall they are on par with each other 04dcarraher

It's faster in 90% of the games so no way can they be said to be "on par", jeez some people just cant admit they were wrong!

1 or 2 fps is within the margin of error, therefore they are basically identical instead of 8800GT three greater thans 5670.

"9800GT = 8800GT >>> 5670" - gambler

lulz

Anandtech said this in the conclution of their review.

"So where does that leave the 5670? The 5670 does surprisingly well against the 9800 GT. It wins in some cases, trails very slightly in a few more, and then outright loses only in games where the 5670 is already playable up to 1920x1200. From a performance standpoint I think the 9800 GT is ahead, but it's not enough to matter; meanwhile the "green" 9800 GT shortens the gap even more, and it still is over 10W hotter than the 5670. The 5670 is a good enough replacement for the 9800 GT in that respect, plus it has support for DX11, Eyefinity, and 3D Blu-Ray when that launches later this year."

:shock:

I have to agree with them, they perform very simular.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

ATI: Catalyst 11.4

GummiRaccoon

>new drivers

>catalyst 11.4

pick one.

1 or 2 fps is within the margin of error, therefore they are basically identical instead of 8800GT three greater thans 5670.

"9800GT = 8800GT >>> 5670" - gambler

lulz

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

>new drivers

>catalyst 11.4

pick one.

Gambler_3

1 or 2 fps is within the margin of error, therefore they are basically identical instead of 8800GT three greater thans 5670.

"9800GT = 8800GT >>> 5670" - gambler

lulz

GummiRaccoon

Wah what an argument! Why are you guys mad that 8800GT is better than 5670? :lol:

Gambler_3

because it is not, winning by, what sane people consider, the margin for error, 90% of the time doesn't make it 90% better, or greater than greater than greater than the 5670, it makes it nearly identical.

They are so close in performance, it literally doesn't matter which one someone has.

You are purposely misinterpreting the data and it is obvious to everyone.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Wah what an argument! Why are you guys mad that 8800GT is better than 5670? :lol:

GummiRaccoon

because it is not, winning by, what sane people consider, the margin for error, 90% of the time doesn't make it 90% better, or greater than greater than greater than the 5670, it makes it nearly identical.

They are so close in performance, it literally doesn't matter which one someone has.

You are purposely misinterpreting the data and it is obvious to everyone.

With the techpowerup review which used a much bigger sample the difference is 17%. Nobody is misinterpreting anything.

The only reason 5670 manages to win some games is because it is AMD vs Nvidia, sometimes some games favour one side very heavily, this doesnt mean that they "trade blows".

The 5850 beats GTX 560 Ti in crysis and f1 2010, does this mean we conclude they are "similar" and on par? lol.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Wah what an argument! Why are you guys mad that 8800GT is better than 5670? :lol:

Gambler_3

because it is not, winning by, what sane people consider, the margin for error, 90% of the time doesn't make it 90% better, or greater than greater than greater than the 5670, it makes it nearly identical.

They are so close in performance, it literally doesn't matter which one someone has.

You are purposely misinterpreting the data and it is obvious to everyone.

With the techpowerup review which used a much bigger sample the difference is 17%. Nobody is misinterpreting anything.

The only reason 5670 manages to win some games is because it is AMD vs Nvidia, sometimes some games favour one side very heavily, this doesnt mean that they "trade blows".

The 5850 beats GTX 560 Ti in crysis and f1 2010, does this mean we conclude they are "similar" and on par? lol.

the 6950 is 20-30% faster than the 6870

Techpowerup seems like they're the only one manage to get such big of a difference.

Anandtech stated that "The 5670 is a good enough replacement for the 9800 GT" in their review.

TomsHw calls the 8800GT "the slightly-faster" in their HD5670 review.

HW canucks says this in they conclution. "$100 price of the 9800 GT looks particularly interesting in terms of raw performance but the HD 5670 1GB is still the clear winner in terms of features and future compatibility"

In all of these reviews they opt. for the HD5670, clearly the difference between the two cards is negliable or so nonexsistent that it's even a matter of the feutures the cards bring, sure the 8800GT is a tiny bit faster but it's so little that these three sites choose to reccomend the HD5670 OVER the 8800GT.

So there you have it, theyre very much alike in the performance, well just look at these charts if your still not clear about it.

They are infact the two closest performing cards in this segment, the HD5670 generally being a tiny bit behind but it's so little that it don't matter.

This thread is getting nowhere and is no longer relevant to TC's question. gmaster456

*+ agreed

Techpowerup seems like they're the only one manage to get such big of a difference.

Anandtech stated that "The 5670 is a good enough replacement for the 9800 GT" in their review.

TomsHw calls the 8800GT "the slightly-faster" in their HD5670 review.

HW canucks says this in they conclution. "$100 price of the 9800 GT looks particularly interesting in terms of raw performance but the HD 5670 1GB is still the clear winner in terms of features and future compatibility"

In all of these reviews they opt. for the HD5670, clearly the difference between the two cards is negliable or so nonexsistent that it's even a matter of the feutures the cards bring, sure the 8800GT is a tiny bit faster but it's so little that these three sites choose to reccomend the HD5670 OVER the 8800GT.

So there you have it, theyre very much alike in the performance, well just look at these charts if your still not clear about it.

They are infact the two closest performing cards in this segment, the HD5670 generally being a tiny bit behind but it's so little that it don't matter.

swehunt

And that reviewer says 5670 brings more features lol what features? The ability to see a slideshow with tesselation?? Or the utter stupidity of running 3 monitors on a 5670??

And not to mention the 8800GT overclocks much more.

the 6950 is 20-30% faster than the 6870

GummiRaccoon

A better example would be the difference between 6970-6950 which is consistently just 10-15% and even less when you max OC both cards. But yet nobody calls the 2 cards "on par" and "similar" blah blah.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

the 6950 is 20-30% faster than the 6870

Gambler_3

A better example would be the difference between 6970-6950 which is consistently just 10-15% and even less when you max OC both cards. But yet nobody calls the 2 cards "on par" and "similar" blah blah.

I see no reason to ever get a 6970 over a 6950, especially if you can get a reference card somewhere and unluck it, if your budge is that high then pick up a 570.