Weren't people too quick to write Windows 8 off?

Now before you guys start calling me a Microsoft fanboy, please read my entire post. I'm looking for a healthy discussion, and not sarcasm/jibes. I myself have spoken against Windows 8 several times on Gamespot, and had believed that I would never ever use that piece of crap in my life. But a couple of weeks ago, I was forced to install Windows 8 on my PC because I'm a software developer, and I was asked to develop a Metro-style app for Windows 8 (I had never done this before). I was very reluctant about this, and like I feared, I had a horrid time with the Metro interface. Then I installed Start8, and things began improving. Firstly, with Windows 8 my PC boot within 10 seconds and shuts down in 4 seconds, and that too on a normal HDD and not an SSD. Then, the synchronization aspects of Windows 8 is really amazing, especially because I also own a Windows Phone 8 based smart-phone. Now, coming to the part which matters most to me as well as everyone else on this site - GAMES. People often say that Windows 8 has compatibility problems with some games, but I never faced this problem even while running very old games from the early 90s (and they weren't GOG versions). In short, every game which worked on Windows 7, also worked equally well on Windows 8 (although I had to apply compatibility settings for a few games). Now, the really surprising thing. I found out that most modern games released after 2007 actually ran 5 to 6 fps faster on Windows 8 than on Windows 7 with the same settings! There are also other neat improvements in Windows 8, such as file transfers and the new task manager. So, if you get rid of the Metro UI, Windows 8 is actually a much more improved, optimized and faster OS compared to Windows 7. Regarding the Metro UI, I had to use it often to observe the way it works, since I had to develop a Metro app. After using it for a few days, I realized that although its quite cumbersome, its not really the monster that people make it to be. In other words, even if you don't want to install Start8(or other similar app), the Metro UI shouldn't really be a deal breaker.

Microsoft got a 100 things right with Windows 8, but just one thing wrong - the Metro UI. The didn't even have to discard Metro completely. All they had to do was, offer customers an option during installation to use either the Metro UI or the classic desktop (with start menu) as their primary UI. This wouldn't have required more than a few lines of code, and Windows 8 would have been a winner in everyone's book. I don't understand whether it was Microsoft's foolishness or their bloated ego which made them omit this option. So, what do you guys feel?

Not reading all of that. Fanboy.

:P

Not reading all of that. Fanboy.

:P

maddogmark25

You can't can't read just one paragraptgh? Hmmm....alright!

I've used both Windows 8 and Windows 7. In fact, my living room computer has Windows 8 on it right now, and my gaming computer has Windows 7 on it. I prefer Windows 7. Primarily because, you're right, it feels combersome, and to be honest I don't like having to go through the metro UI to do so many things. I also don't really like the applications it has, i'd rather just go to a webpage. But, I can do both on Windows 8, which is a plus and I'm not confined to Windows Metro UI, so I guess it's just really a matter of opinion. I think to get an accurate judgement I'd have to put it on my main PC, which is my gaming PC. However, I do prefer the regular start menu, and am not sure if I could adjust to life without it. I also think it was their foolishness, rather than their bloated ego. 

I don't think at any one point they said we're going to force everyone to use the metro UI, and it'll work in our favor because it's going to win everyone over. I think moreso what happened is they thought everyone would like, and that their tablets would sell better.  

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

-wildflower-

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

HyperWarlock

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

Lol, thank you for pointing out the obvious that he apparently forgot about. 

As PC Gamers, we spend the majority of our time on the OS it's self, and if we're not gaming we still use our PC's for other things. So I'd say it has a lot to do with gaming. 

My problem with windows 8 is metro or what Microsoft calls it "Modern UI" It offers less functionality then what was in previous iterations of windows and offers zero benefits to a desktop user. I understand why the went the way they did but it makes working on a desktop way harder and slower. I shouldn't need to download third party software to have the computer function the way I want it too. 

I hate the tile look of phones and the xbox 360 and metro reminds me of why I hate modern day electronics and the software they come with. It's often a bunch of square tiles or boxes that are flashy and colourful. I like to keep my computer streamlined looking and simplistic. I hate flashy stuff on screen it really grinds my gears and windows 8 forces all of the things I hate about modern software.

So no I don't think people made to early of a decision on windows 8. Metro is only in their because they wish to monopolize sales of software through their windows store. Sadly programs barely work or offer less then half the functionality of desktop programs making metro useless and pointless on my desktop. Plus I don't want Microsoft to have a monopoly of software sales on windows. So as long as windows 8 forces metro and that modern tile UI that I can't stand on any software then I'll stick with windows 7. I may even eventually move to Linux's Ubuntu and partition a cracked version of windows for games, because this switch in software and how it functions and looks is something I'm unwilling to support.

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

-wildflower-

For your kind information, Windows discussion should go here because its not meant for any other forum. I'm not just saying I like it, I'm backing it up with proof. If you had read my description, you wouldn't have said "And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?", because I have said stuff regarding games. If you're not interested, you're most welcome to not participate in the discussion.

Minor performance improvements and optimizations aren't really worth an OS upgrade with a lousier UI.

I've used both Windows 8 and Windows 7. In fact, my living room computer has Windows 8 on it right now, and my gaming computer has Windows 7 on it. I prefer Windows 7. Primarily because, you're right, it feels combersome, and to be honest I don't like having to go through the metro UI to do so many things. I also don't really like the applications it has, i'd rather just go to a webpage. But, I can do both on Windows 8, which is a plus and I'm not confined to Windows Metro UI, so I guess it's just really a matter of opinion. I think to get an accurate judgement I'd have to put it on my main PC, which is my gaming PC. However, I do prefer the regular start menu, and am not sure if I could adjust to life without it. I also think it was their foolishness, rather than their bloated ego. 

I don't think at any one point they said we're going to force everyone to use the metro UI, and it'll work in our favor because it's going to win everyone over. I think moreso what happened is they thought everyone would like, and that their tablets would sell better.  

SystemsGO

Your issue with Metro is understandable. Just use as an app like Start8 or something similar, and you won't even notice that its different from Windows 7, except that it perfroms more efficiently.

My problem with windows 8 is metro or what Microsoft calls it "Modern UI" It offers less functionality then what was in previous iterations of windows and offers zero benefits to a desktop user. I understand why the went the way they did but it makes working on a desktop way harder and slower. I shouldn't need to download third party software to have the computer function the way I want it too. 

 

I hate the tile look of phones and the xbox 360 and metro reminds me of why I hate modern day electronics and the software they come with. It's often a bunch of square tiles or boxes that are flashy and colourful. I like to keep my computer streamlined looking and simplistic. I hate flashy stuff on screen it really grinds my gears and windows 8 forces all of the things I hate about modern software.

 

So no I don't think people made to early of a decision on windows 8. Metro is only in their because they wish to monopolize sales of software through their windows store. Sadly programs barely work or offer less then half the functionality of desktop programs making metro useless and pointless on my desktop. Plus I don't want Microsoft to have a monopoly of software sales on windows. So as long as windows 8 forces metro and that modern tile UI that I can't stand on any software then I'll stick with windows 7. I may even eventually move to Linux's Ubuntu and partition a cracked version of windows for games, because this switch in software and how it functions and looks is something I'm unwilling to support.

wazzap76

Your problem is same as everyone else's. Just install Start8, or any similar free app, and you'll be rid of Metro for good. Then you'll begin to appreciate Windows 8.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

HyperWarlock

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

So we can discuss hardware here, too?  Yeah, that's what I thought....

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This is a GAME forum.  Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you!  I hate it.  Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares?  And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

-wildflower-

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

So we can discuss hardware here, too?  Yeah, that's what I thought....

There is a separate forum for hardware discussions, but none for Windows.

[QUOTE="wazzap76"]

My problem with windows 8 is metro or what Microsoft calls it "Modern UI" It offers less functionality then what was in previous iterations of windows and offers zero benefits to a desktop user. I understand why the went the way they did but it makes working on a desktop way harder and slower. I shouldn't need to download third party software to have the computer function the way I want it too. 

 

I hate the tile look of phones and the xbox 360 and metro reminds me of why I hate modern day electronics and the software they come with. It's often a bunch of square tiles or boxes that are flashy and colourful. I like to keep my computer streamlined looking and simplistic. I hate flashy stuff on screen it really grinds my gears and windows 8 forces all of the things I hate about modern software.

 

So no I don't think people made to early of a decision on windows 8. Metro is only in their because they wish to monopolize sales of software through their windows store. Sadly programs barely work or offer less then half the functionality of desktop programs making metro useless and pointless on my desktop. Plus I don't want Microsoft to have a monopoly of software sales on windows. So as long as windows 8 forces metro and that modern tile UI that I can't stand on any software then I'll stick with windows 7. I may even eventually move to Linux's Ubuntu and partition a cracked version of windows for games, because this switch in software and how it functions and looks is something I'm unwilling to support.

funkyzoom

Your problem is same as everyone else's. Just install Start8, or any similar free app, and you'll be rid of Metro for good. Then you'll begin to appreciate Windows 8.

I view it as I shouldn't need third party software to make my computer run the way I want it too. I have a functioning windows 7 I know in and out. Also I don't like this new direction they are taking to try to monopalize software sales. It's only bad for us the consumer and offers no benifit to anyone but Microsoft as it even ads more restrictions and fees to software developers.

I'm unwilling to buy windows 8 because if I do it shows I'm willing to support this direction they have taken so I'm opting out and sticking to what I have for now untill they decide to make me a fully functioning non touch operating system.  I understand the direction they have taken and why, but it's one I want nothing to do with.

The easiest way to put it I guess is. I'm unwilling to support this software because of the direction it is leading the windows market and the implications it has to software sales and hardware. As touch controles and  a small step in the direction of trying to monopalize software sales is something I wish to have no part of. And I really do hate the look of that modern UI. Like really hate it.

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

 

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

 

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

Squeets

The start button as they call is no where near what the start menu has in functionality and ease of access to my programs and files. Even 8.1's bring back off the button only has those weird tiles that once again bring you back into metro. But unlike it switchig screens to metro it just pops it up on the desktop without it's background. So no it does not have a start menu like you say as all the functionality of the the start menu is gone and been replaced but tiles showing a few programs you like that then get opened through metro.

Not reading all of that. Fanboy.

:P

maddogmark25

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

 

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

 

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

Squeets

I view it as I shouldn't need third party software to make my computer run the way I want it too. I have a functioning windows 7 I know in and out. Also I don't like this new direction they are taking to try to monopalize software sales. It's only bad for us the consumer and offers no benifit to anyone but Microsoft as it even ads more restrictions and fees to software developers.

I'm unwilling to buy windows 8 because if I do it shows I'm willing to support this direction they have taken so I'm opting out and sticking to what I have for now untill they decide to make me a fully functioning non touch operating system.  I understand the direction they have taken and why, but it's one I want nothing to do with.

The easiest way to put it I guess is. I'm unwilling to support this software because of the direction it is leading the windows market and the implications it has to software sales and hardware. As touch controles and  a small step in the direction of trying to monopalize software sales is something I wish to have no part of. And I really do hate the look of that modern UI. Like really hate it.

wazzap76

You do have a point. As for me, I'm a .NET professional, so everything is dependent on Microsoft for me. If Microsoft goes down, my career too goes down with it.

[QUOTE="maddogmark25"]

Not reading all of that. Fanboy.

:P

vfibsux

Can't take 30 seconds to read something but take the time to post a useless post with zero substance? No wonder the literacy rate is dropping.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

funkyzoom

So we can discuss hardware here, too?  Yeah, that's what I thought....

There is a separate forum for hardware discussions, but none for Windows.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

 

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

 

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

wazzap76

The start button as they call is no where near what the start menu has in functionality and ease of access to my programs and files. Even 8.1's bring back off the button only has those weird tiles that once again bring you back into metro. But unlike it switchig screens to metro it just pops it up on the desktop without it's background. So no it does not have a start menu like you say as all the functionality of the the start menu is gone and been replaced but tiles showing a few programs you like that then get opened through metro.

For starters, you can customize what appears in those "tiles"... It isn't meant to be an end all be all its meant as a shortcut for frequently used things and cleanliness (ie, I don't have anything on my desktop to keep it neat and all of my important shortcuts are there on that main screen)...

Also are you incapable of typing?  No I don't mean typing sentences or even words... Typing for instance one single letter... As this start menu that you claim is not thorough or functional in comparison to previous start menus has a very much in depth search/navigation function... If you simply click the start button and hit S for example... Every single program installed on your computer, downloads, files, etc that begins with the letter S will appear, listed, right before you... If anything that is better than W7 start menu and all previous ones where you navigate all programs at once or search via program name... 

I mean honestly, people just make up problems on W8 to bitch about.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

 

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

 

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

vfibsux

Oh true that man... If you already have Windows 7 then there is no real reason to upgrade... I am complaining about the people who go on and on about how bad it is and how THAT is why no one should get it...

A topic on windows would be better suited on the Hardware forum. That's where most people start windows topic anyways.. but I've been seeing some Windows threads started here. If it was an issue related with GFWL, or Steam or something, then that would make it game related I suppose. These threads don't bother me when it has good discussions. It's a problem when it becomes flame bait though. :P And you know they're coming. Elann2008

How can a Windows based discussion fir into the hardware forum, since Windows is a software and not hardware? Also, I have mentioned a few things regarding games in my original post, but hardly anything with respect to hardware.

I honestly feel insulted with the Windows 8 UI, even on my tablet PC. Yes, I know I can get a third-party Start Menu. Yes, I know I can disable the start screen. Yes, I know I can be annoyed by the awful menu popping up every time I swipe my mouse to the far side of the screen. YES, I know I can learn to tone down the repeated swearing that comes with trying to drag icons to the desktop. Yes, I can QUELL the INSATIABLE RAGE that builds up whenever I attempt to MULTITASK Windows EIGHT applications -- or I CAN JUST NOT USE THEM!!!!

...just not use them.
...not use them.
...not use... Windows 8. 

Would I fault you for using Windows 8? Nah, everyone makes mistakes. I ran Vista for a couple years before 7. "Oh come on it's not THAT bad you guys."

[QUOTE="wazzap76"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

1) People are idiots.

2) Windows 8 still has a start button and a start menu.

3) Metro literally never even has to be used.  Literally.  Not even once.  For anything.  Ever.*

4) It is basically the same as Windows 7, but uses less resources.

5) Everything that works on Windows 7 works on Windows 8.

6) People are effing stupid idiots.

 

*I have used Windows 8 since launch and I have only been in Metro one time... I once double clicked an image instead of right click preview (to use the Windows photo viewer Windows 7 had) and it opened the image in the Metro photo viewer by accident.

 

PS: People are whiny stupid idiots.

Squeets

The start button as they call is no where near what the start menu has in functionality and ease of access to my programs and files. Even 8.1's bring back off the button only has those weird tiles that once again bring you back into metro. But unlike it switchig screens to metro it just pops it up on the desktop without it's background. So no it does not have a start menu like you say as all the functionality of the the start menu is gone and been replaced but tiles showing a few programs you like that then get opened through metro.

For starters, you can customize what appears in those "tiles"... It isn't meant to be an end all be all its meant as a shortcut for frequently used things and cleanliness (ie, I don't have anything on my desktop to keep it neat and all of my important shortcuts are there on that main screen)...

Also are you incapable of typing?  No I don't mean typing sentences or even words... Typing for instance one single letter... As this start menu that you claim is not thorough or functional in comparison to previous start menus has a very much in depth search/navigation function... If you simply click the start button and hit S for example... Every single program installed on your computer, downloads, files, etc that begins with the letter S will appear, listed, right before you... If anything that is better than W7 start menu and all previous ones where you navigate all programs at once or search via program name... 

I mean honestly, people just make up problems on W8 to bitch about.

I doesn't matter if I can custumize it I don't like the tile look it has. I hate it it takes up space that could have been better used as a fully functioning start menu that leads me to where ever I need to go on my computer not just a few favorite programs.  Also I shouldn't have to search for programs on my computer they should be easily accessable and the best way to do that would be to have all of them in an alphabetical order in which I can view not behind a search function that has been their since they moved past dos. I shouldn't have to remember the names of all my programs so I can search them. No matter what way you put it the majority of the functionality of the start menu has been stripped and thrown into metro.  It's clunky and offers me less functionality I have now on my desktop so why even bother upgrading for a slight performance boost? This isn't me making up problems these are things a lot of people don't like about windows 8 and that is why it has had such a small uptake in sales and it shows with how much market shar it has. If it wasn't preloaded on laptops and pc's then it would be even less.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This is a GAME forum. Do we really need to rehash another Windows 8 discussion?

You like it. Yay, good for you! I hate it. Yay, good for me! Ultimately, who f'n cares? And what does any of this have to do with games anyways?

HyperWarlock

Windows is the platform that PC gamers play games on.

Not me.

I play on windows 7 because windows 8 does nothing to enchance my gaming experince or improve it one single iota.

When basically every single credible PC and tech source around the world says windows 8 is a failure whether you want to or not, you pretty much have to eventually accept it.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="maddogmark25"]

Not reading all of that. Fanboy.

:P

wazzap76

Can't take 30 seconds to read something but take the time to post a useless post with zero substance? No wonder the literacy rate is dropping.

Minor performance improvements do not justify an OS upgrade.

I believe I can probably get used to the new Ui and all that stuff, and I'm certain there are W7 themes for it even if I can't, but there just aren't many reasons to upgrade right now. Maybe if it has exclusive direct x 12, I'll think about it.

I've yet to meet a single person whose actually refuted my claim: Nearly anything you can do in Windows 7 can be done in Windows 8 with the same if not fewer steps.

I dont know why you're all bitching about Windows 8. Things are in different places or moved around. But its functionally equivalent to Windows 7, if not better, once you know its placement.

I doesn't matter if I can custumize it I don't like the tile look it has. I hate it it takes up space that could have been better used as a fully functioning start menu that leads me to where ever I need to go on my computer not just a few favorite programs.  Also I shouldn't have to search for programs on my computer they should be easily accessable and the best way to do that would be to have all of them in an alphabetical order in which I can view not behind a search function that has been their since they moved past dos. I shouldn't have to remember the names of all my programs so I can search them. No matter what way you put it the majority of the functionality of the start menu has been stripped and thrown into metro.  It's clunky and offers me less functionality I have now on my desktop so why even bother upgrading for a slight performance boost? This isn't me making up problems these are things a lot of people don't like about windows 8 and that is why it has had such a small uptake in sales and it shows with how much market shar it has. If it wasn't preloaded on laptops and pc's then it would be even less.

wazzap76

Except the metro menu is functionally equivalent to the start menu. What did you do in the start menu? Click the start button, drag the mouse to All Programs, clicked, dragged the mouse to the location, clicked.

Windows 8? Click the start button, drag the mouse to the program, click.

Whats so horrible?

Want alphabetical? Right click anywhere in the start menu, click All Apps and its alphabetical.

Or move you frequently used programs closer to the left, pin them to the task bar, or use shortcuts on your desktop. Theres 50 millions ways of accessing the same information but you are whining about a single OPTIONAL one? Truly, the worst of OSes.

 

I dont know why you're all bitching about Windows 8. Things are in different places or moved around.

XaosII

Grats, you just answered your own question.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]A topic on windows would be better suited on the Hardware forum. That's where most people start windows topic anyways.. but I've been seeing some Windows threads started here. If it was an issue related with GFWL, or Steam or something, then that would make it game related I suppose. These threads don't bother me when it has good discussions. It's a problem when it becomes flame bait though. :P And you know they're coming. Elann2008

How can a Windows based discussion fir into the hardware forum, since Windows is a software and not hardware? Also, I have mentioned a few things regarding games in my original post, but hardly anything with respect to hardware.

Huh? I'm being a prick? How did you come to that conclusion? I was just asking a genuine conclusion. If you actually went through my first post, I have mentioned that I'm looking for only healthy discussion. Its not my fault if people choose to troll here. And I don't understand why you felt I was taking advantage of your politeness. Far from that. I have observed that most of your posts have been polite on this forum. In any case, I'd like to tell you that I'm from a third world country and English isn't my native language. In fact, more than 80% of my country's population don't understand English. Hence, what I have said here might have been interpreted differently by you (I presume you're a native English speaker). So if you ever felt I was a prick, my sincere apologies. I never meant that, it just happened due to the language barrier. My command over the  English language isn't to the level of native English speakers, so my words often tend to be interpreted differently by them.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Most people judge a product too quickly all the time. - When Steam released, lots of people on the forums were going crazy about all this DRM stuff, always online stuff, it's the devil etc etc. 10 years late, everyone loves Steam. - When XP released, everyone complained that nothing worked correctly. People even complained about the NEW START MENU (yes they did). Then it became one of the best OS in history from MS. - When Origin released. "They are searching thru our files" "We can go to jail" blah blah blah. Fast forward a year and a bit, Origin is much improved and working good. - When 8 released. "It's the end of Microsoft" "It's the end of the PC" blah blah blah. OS works fine and better than 7 mostly, and Gigabyte just stated that they have shipped the most motherboards in their history.vfibsux

Not that we want anyone to accept it, just for some to quit going so far out of their way to trash it.

When a thread pops up like "I can get Windows 8 for $20 from my school, should I?" and then the idiots crawl out of their cesspools going on and on like "nooooooooooo worst OS evar!!!!1!1!!!one!" "im too retarded to read or click things!!!!!!!!"... As I have said before, if you have 7, there is no real reason to get 8 unless you are a performance junky (one of the people who drop $250 on an SSD, for example)... I mean if you are willing to drop $250 on an SSD then what is $30 more for a 7 to 8 upgrade key?

Most people judge a product too quickly all the time. - When Steam released, lots of people on the forums were going crazy about all this DRM stuff, always online stuff, it's the devil etc etc. 10 years late, everyone loves Steam. - When XP released, everyone complained that nothing worked correctly. People even complained about the NEW START MENU (yes they did). Then it became one of the best OS in history from MS. - When Origin released. "They are searching thru our files" "We can go to jail" blah blah blah. Fast forward a year and a bit, Origin is much improved and working good. - When 8 released. "It's the end of Microsoft" "It's the end of the PC" blah blah blah. OS works fine and better than 7 mostly, and Gigabyte just stated that they have shipped the most motherboards in their history.FelipeInside

I myself had argued with your points, not too long ago. And I was forced to use Windows 8 due the reason I mentioned in my first post, and it was also provided to me for free by my client. Why don't these fools understand that we're only expressing our views, and not trying to force them to use Windows 8? I just posted this for a healthy discussion, and now I hear people say 'off with his head'. If they're fine with Windows 7, let them stick with it. Nobody is forcing them to upgrade. And I'm sure that hardly anyone here bothered to read my complete post. At the end, I have mentioned the main reason why it failed. And still some of these people call me a 'fanboy'. Even my views are the same as yours, that is its not really worth paying full price for Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7, but if you get a free license or buying a new PC, it makes sense to go with Windows 8. Constructive criticism is fine, but these people's posts give the impression of school kids fighting over candy.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Most people judge a product too quickly all the time. - When Steam released, lots of people on the forums were going crazy about all this DRM stuff, always online stuff, it's the devil etc etc. 10 years late, everyone loves Steam. - When XP released, everyone complained that nothing worked correctly. People even complained about the NEW START MENU (yes they did). Then it became one of the best OS in history from MS. - When Origin released. "They are searching thru our files" "We can go to jail" blah blah blah. Fast forward a year and a bit, Origin is much improved and working good. - When 8 released. "It's the end of Microsoft" "It's the end of the PC" blah blah blah. OS works fine and better than 7 mostly, and Gigabyte just stated that they have shipped the most motherboards in their history.funkyzoom

I myself had argued with your points, not too long ago. And I was forced to use Windows 8 due the reason I mentioned in my first post, and it was also provided to me for free by my client. Why don't these fools understand that we're only expressing our views, and not trying to force them to use Windows 8? I just posted this for a healthy discussion, and now I hear people say 'off with his head'. If they're fine with Windows 7, let them stick with it. Nobody is forcing them to upgrade. And I'm sure that hardly anyone here bothered to read my complete post. At the end, I have mentioned the main reason why it failed. And still some of these people call me a 'fanboy'. Even my views are the same as yours, that is its not really worth paying full price for Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7, but if you get a free license or buying a new PC, it makes sense to go with Windows 8. Constructive criticism is fine, but these people's posts give the impression of school kids fighting over candy.

Ur judging a whole OS with just the menu system, which they are already fixing and works heaps better on 8.1 though?

But I agree, the new menu is their biggest hurdle.  They have already done better things with Win8.1.  Hopefully it keeps improving.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Most people judge a product too quickly all the time. - When Steam released, lots of people on the forums were going crazy about all this DRM stuff, always online stuff, it's the devil etc etc. 10 years late, everyone loves Steam. - When XP released, everyone complained that nothing worked correctly. People even complained about the NEW START MENU (yes they did). Then it became one of the best OS in history from MS. - When Origin released. "They are searching thru our files" "We can go to jail" blah blah blah. Fast forward a year and a bit, Origin is much improved and working good. - When 8 released. "It's the end of Microsoft" "It's the end of the PC" blah blah blah. OS works fine and better than 7 mostly, and Gigabyte just stated that they have shipped the most motherboards in their history.FelipeInside

I myself had argued with your points, not too long ago. And I was forced to use Windows 8 due the reason I mentioned in my first post, and it was also provided to me for free by my client. Why don't these fools understand that we're only expressing our views, and not trying to force them to use Windows 8? I just posted this for a healthy discussion, and now I hear people say 'off with his head'. If they're fine with Windows 7, let them stick with it. Nobody is forcing them to upgrade. And I'm sure that hardly anyone here bothered to read my complete post. At the end, I have mentioned the main reason why it failed. And still some of these people call me a 'fanboy'. Even my views are the same as yours, that is its not really worth paying full price for Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7, but if you get a free license or buying a new PC, it makes sense to go with Windows 8. Constructive criticism is fine, but these people's posts give the impression of school kids fighting over candy.

Ur judging a whole OS with just the menu system, which they are already fixing and works heaps better on 8.1 though?

But I agree, the new menu is their biggest hurdle.  They have already done better things with Win8.1.  Hopefully it keeps improving.

Well...of course, the menu system is vital for the success of any OS. For someone new to Windows, the new menu is quite simple and strfaightforward. But for people used to the classic start menu, this new menu is a massive change, and I understand people unable to accept a huge change suddenly. And I'm only talking about Windows 8, because I don't yet have access to 8.1 and have never tried it. So how come you already have 8.1? I checked Windows Update moments ago, and it still isn't available. In any case, how much ever they improve Windows 8, people will never give it a chance because their prejudiced mind tells them "Windows 8 is crap'.