Weren't people too quick to write Windows 8 off?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

I myself had argued with your points, not too long ago. And I was forced to use Windows 8 due the reason I mentioned in my first post, and it was also provided to me for free by my client. Why don't these fools understand that we're only expressing our views, and not trying to force them to use Windows 8? I just posted this for a healthy discussion, and now I hear people say 'off with his head'. If they're fine with Windows 7, let them stick with it. Nobody is forcing them to upgrade. And I'm sure that hardly anyone here bothered to read my complete post. At the end, I have mentioned the main reason why it failed. And still some of these people call me a 'fanboy'. Even my views are the same as yours, that is its not really worth paying full price for Windows 8 if you already have Windows 7, but if you get a free license or buying a new PC, it makes sense to go with Windows 8. Constructive criticism is fine, but these people's posts give the impression of school kids fighting over candy.

funkyzoom

Ur judging a whole OS with just the menu system, which they are already fixing and works heaps better on 8.1 though?

But I agree, the new menu is their biggest hurdle.  They have already done better things with Win8.1.  Hopefully it keeps improving.

Well...of course, the menu system is vital for the success of any OS. For someone new to Windows, the new menu is quite simple and strfaightforward. But for people used to the classic start menu, this new menu is a massive change, and I understand people unable to accept a huge change suddenly. And I'm only talking about Windows 8, because I don't yet have access to 8.1 and have never tried it. So how come you already have 8.1? I checked Windows Update moments ago, and it still isn't available. In any case, how much ever they improve Windows 8, people will never give it a chance because their prejudiced mind tells them "Windows 8 is crap'.

True, some people will never be proven wrong cause they hate it and always will.

I didn't install 8.1 myself, but we have a PC at work with it on.

 

True, some people will never be proven wrong cause they hate it and always will.

I didn't install 8.1 myself, but we have a PC at work with it on.

FelipeInside

Oh wow! Do you know how to obtain Windows 8.1 now? I'm itching to try it out.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

 

True, some people will never be proven wrong cause they hate it and always will.

I didn't install 8.1 myself, but we have a PC at work with it on.

funkyzoom

Oh wow! Do you know how to obtain Windows 8.1 now? I'm itching to try it out.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview-download

It's just a PREVIEW though, so be warned some things don't work properly and might corrupt ur Windows Install.

PS: I recommend the ISO File

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

 

True, some people will never be proven wrong cause they hate it and always will.

I didn't install 8.1 myself, but we have a PC at work with it on.

FelipeInside

Oh wow! Do you know how to obtain Windows 8.1 now? I'm itching to try it out.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview-download

It's just a PREVIEW though, so be warned some things don't work properly and might corrupt ur Windows Install.

PS: I recommend the ISO File

Wow, thanks a ton! You made my day! :)

[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Most people judge a product too quickly all the time. - When Steam released, lots of people on the forums were going crazy about all this DRM stuff, always online stuff, it's the devil etc etc. 10 years late, everyone loves Steam. - When XP released, everyone complained that nothing worked correctly. People even complained about the NEW START MENU (yes they did). Then it became one of the best OS in history from MS. - When Origin released. "They are searching thru our files" "We can go to jail" blah blah blah. Fast forward a year and a bit, Origin is much improved and working good. - When 8 released. "It's the end of Microsoft" "It's the end of the PC" blah blah blah. OS works fine and better than 7 mostly, and Gigabyte just stated that they have shipped the most motherboards in their history.Squeets

Not that we want anyone to accept it, just for some to quit going so far out of their way to trash it.

When a thread pops up like "I can get Windows 8 for $20 from my school, should I?" and then the idiots crawl out of their cesspools going on and on like "nooooooooooo worst OS evar!!!!1!1!!!one!" "im too retarded to read or click things!!!!!!!!"... As I have said before, if you have 7, there is no real reason to get 8 unless you are a performance junky (one of the people who drop $250 on an SSD, for example)... I mean if you are willing to drop $250 on an SSD then what is $30 more for a 7 to 8 upgrade key?

Windows 8 was definitely worth it for me. Well worth the price of admission for me even though I got it at a heavily discounted pirce of $15. :P 

windows 8 sucks and the 8.1 patch didn't fix anything.

i don't understand why

we even need menus in this day and age. everything on your smartphone and tablet is searchable or has shortcuts, and i mean EVERYTHING. your settings, apps, contacts, whatever. the same should be on a desktop OS. nobody should be navigating files and folders anymore, they are a relic from the past when people didn't know how to use mice and keyboards. if you know what's inside your computer you should be able to get it within seconds via a quick search. the same goes for web, too. i need the release date of a movie? "man of steel" in the search bar and it's there a second later. i'm using Omnimo with rainmeter on my pc and for those that don't know, it gives your desktop the metro UI, and i only rarely need to go into my computer for searching documents i haven't used in months because everything i need is on my desktop, or searchable. instead of "My Computer" i have a square with all my drives and the space free in each (clickable for quick acess) instead of just a shortcut to steam, i have a square that's not just a shortcut to steam, but to all the individual things within it (games, tools, downloads, etc) squares for pc readings (ram, cpu usage) and shortcuts to everything that's important. if you have a gaming pc, your pc is fast enough for all of this and a lot more. My biggest problem with metro was the jarring and unnecessary transition to the search bar. if microsoft honed their windows search bar there would be no need for either metro or the classic start menu to access apps.Kh1ndjal

I have thousands of files and documents on my computer remembering the names of all of them is not going to happen.  I organize all my files into categories and types and it is a lot easier for me to use a computer in that functionality then it is for me to have to remember all the names of absolutely every program and file I happen to have on my computer.

Like the other guy said it's preference. You may like that smart phone square/tile like look. I happen to hate it. Forcing both types of UI  on people is what has gotten microsoft into this weird spot where people either love it or hate it. 

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]i don't understand why

we even need menus in this day and age. everything on your smartphone and tablet is searchable or has shortcuts, and i mean EVERYTHING. your settings, apps, contacts, whatever. the same should be on a desktop OS. nobody should be navigating files and folders anymore, they are a relic from the past when people didn't know how to use mice and keyboards. if you know what's inside your computer you should be able to get it within seconds via a quick search. the same goes for web, too. i need the release date of a movie? "man of steel" in the search bar and it's there a second later. i'm using Omnimo with rainmeter on my pc and for those that don't know, it gives your desktop the metro UI, and i only rarely need to go into my computer for searching documents i haven't used in months because everything i need is on my desktop, or searchable. instead of "My Computer" i have a square with all my drives and the space free in each (clickable for quick acess) instead of just a shortcut to steam, i have a square that's not just a shortcut to steam, but to all the individual things within it (games, tools, downloads, etc) squares for pc readings (ram, cpu usage) and shortcuts to everything that's important. if you have a gaming pc, your pc is fast enough for all of this and a lot more. My biggest problem with metro was the jarring and unnecessary transition to the search bar. if microsoft honed their windows search bar there would be no need for either metro or the classic start menu to access apps.wazzap76

I have thousands of files and documents on my computer remembering the names of all of them is not going to happen.  I organize all my files into categories and types and it is a lot easier for me to use a computer in that functionality then it is for me to have to remember all the names of absolutely every program and file I happen to have on my computer.

Like the other guy said it's preference. You may like that smart phone square/tile like look. I happen to hate it. Forcing both types of UI  on people is what has gotten microsoft into this weird spot where people either love it or hate it. 

Yes, there's always room for updates and changes.

if you don't mind my asking, exactly what kinds of files are these that cannot be made easily searchable?

Kh1ndjal

Not everything is searchable because you don't always know what's in there, how it's organized or named. An example of that is modding, as a modder, you don't know the content of a game, the format the files are using or the way they handled the names of the files. In those case you need a visual reference of the structure they used.

Speaking of how stable Windows 8 is it's look like I'm going to have to reload my laptop since I get stuck on the welcome message when logging in.  Rebooted a dozen times even left it over night to see if it would eventually let me in.  No go.

I don't understand whether it was Microsoft's foolishness or their bloated ego which made them omit this option. So, what do you guys feel?

funkyzoom

Microsoft creates Xbox: "Every PC gamer will switch to Xbox" ... PC gamers just moved on without MS' support

Microsoft creates Windows 8: "Every PC user will like Metro UI" ... nobody likes Metro UI on mouse and keyboard setups

Microsoft creates F2P games of their longtime franchises: "These will appeal to both the longtime fans and newcomers" ... nobody played the games

Microsoft has this huge ego. If they say Metro will be the new UI, than they are not willing to offer the option to people that liked the old UI more or think it works like crap on M/KB. They could add the option, but they just don't want to.

MS thinks people will just follow what they implement and they have no alternative but we do have alternatives. We just stuck to PC gaming without the support of MS, we just stuck to Windows 7 or even older versions and we refused to pay money for the F2P games that nobody wanted. 

MS doesn't have anyone in a corner, but they sure like to think they do.

I wouldn't say anyone is too quick to write Windows 8 off, I would just say Microsoft was too quick to release it. KHAndAnime

Amen

Speaking of how stable Windows 8 is it's look like I'm going to have to reload my laptop since I get stuck on the welcome message when logging in.  Rebooted a dozen times even left it over night to see if it would eventually let me in.  No go.

sleepingzzz

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

I don't understand whether it was Microsoft's foolishness or their bloated ego which made them omit this option. So, what do you guys feel?

R4gn4r0k

Microsoft creates Xbox: "Every PC gamer will switch to Xbox" ... PC gamers just moved on without MS' support

Microsoft creates Windows 8: "Every PC user will like Metro UI" ... nobody likes Metro UI on mouse and keyboard setups

Microsoft creates F2P games of their longtime franchises: "These will appeal to both the longtime fans and newcomers" ... nobody played the games

Microsoft has this huge ego. If they say Metro will be the new UI, than they are not willing to offer the option to people that liked the old UI more or think it works like crap on M/KB. They could add the option, but they just don't want to.

MS thinks people will just follow what they implement and they have no alternative but we do have alternatives. We just stuck to PC gaming without the support of MS, we just stuck to Windows 7 or even older versions and we refused to pay money for the F2P games that nobody wanted. 

MS doesn't have anyone in a corner, but they sure like to think they do.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

I don't understand whether it was Microsoft's foolishness or their bloated ego which made them omit this option. So, what do you guys feel?

FelipeInside

Microsoft creates Xbox: "Every PC gamer will switch to Xbox" ... PC gamers just moved on without MS' support

Microsoft creates Windows 8: "Every PC user will like Metro UI" ... nobody likes Metro UI on mouse and keyboard setups

Microsoft creates F2P games of their longtime franchises: "These will appeal to both the longtime fans and newcomers" ... nobody played the games

Microsoft has this huge ego. If they say Metro will be the new UI, than they are not willing to offer the option to people that liked the old UI more or think it works like crap on M/KB. They could add the option, but they just don't want to.

MS thinks people will just follow what they implement and they have no alternative but we do have alternatives. We just stuck to PC gaming without the support of MS, we just stuck to Windows 7 or even older versions and we refused to pay money for the F2P games that nobody wanted. 

MS doesn't have anyone in a corner, but they sure like to think they do.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Microsoft creates Xbox: "Every PC gamer will switch to Xbox" ... PC gamers just moved on without MS' support

Microsoft creates Windows 8: "Every PC user will like Metro UI" ... nobody likes Metro UI on mouse and keyboard setups

Microsoft creates F2P games of their longtime franchises: "These will appeal to both the longtime fans and newcomers" ... nobody played the games

Microsoft has this huge ego. If they say Metro will be the new UI, than they are not willing to offer the option to people that liked the old UI more or think it works like crap on M/KB. They could add the option, but they just don't want to.

MS thinks people will just follow what they implement and they have no alternative but we do have alternatives. We just stuck to PC gaming without the support of MS, we just stuck to Windows 7 or even older versions and we refused to pay money for the F2P games that nobody wanted. 

MS doesn't have anyone in a corner, but they sure like to think they do.

bonafidetk

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] In 5 years times everyone will be using the new menu and the old Start Menu will be forgotten. They have already improved it vastly with only the preview of 8.1, so I'm excited to see what they do with final and 8.2, 8.3, etc. Most people here will upgrade their PCs in the next few years, and it would be stupid to put Windows XP, Vista or 7 at this stage just because you can't learn a new menu system (that actually works the same as 7)FelipeInside

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"] Even if you think Win8 is a technical marvel it still bombed in sales. My guess is that Windows 9 will be a Win7/Win8 hybrid of some sort. bonafidetk

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] In 5 years times everyone will be using the new menu and the old Start Menu will be forgotten. They have already improved it vastly with only the preview of 8.1, so I'm excited to see what they do with final and 8.2, 8.3, etc. Most people here will upgrade their PCs in the next few years, and it would be stupid to put Windows XP, Vista or 7 at this stage just because you can't learn a new menu system (that actually works the same as 7)FelipeInside

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"] Even if you think Win8 is a technical marvel it still bombed in sales. My guess is that Windows 9 will be a Win7/Win8 hybrid of some sort. funkyzoom

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"] Even if you think Win8 is a technical marvel it still bombed in sales. My guess is that Windows 9 will be a Win7/Win8 hybrid of some sort. funkyzoom

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

The only real reason why I haven't upgraded to Windows 8 because I never felt I needed to spend the money to do so when I'm happy with Windows 7. Nothing against Windows 8 users at all. I use a Windows Phone myself and I like it. Even my friends like it and they use Apple iPhones. The only problem I see with Windows Phone is the lack of some apps. For example, Steamworks app isn't available unless you go through a third-party Steam app but it isn't the same.

Most of the apps on the market are offered through Android and iPhone. I knew what I was getting into, but I like the Windows Phone interface because it's different. I used iPhone for several years and I'm done with that phase. It's not all it's cracked up to be; I"m happier with my Windows Phone. When the time comes, I'll upgrade to Windows 9 and I'm very interested in how they will blend Win7 with Win8. Should be cool.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

FelipeInside

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

FelipeInside

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

The only thing I really hate about Windows Phone is that many apps and games which are frree on Android and iOS, are actually paid on Windows Phone. For example, the entire angry birds series is free for Android, but they're all paid on Windows Phone. This 'greed' of Microsft will likely be a big hindarnce for them.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

I do own a Windows Phone 8 based device, and its really great. I mean....the UI is just so buttery smooth and flawless. And unlike Andriod (aka 'Lagroid'), which lags even with powerful quad core and octa core devices, my Windows phone hasn't lagged at all in 7 months of usage in spite of having just a dual core processor and a modest amount of RAM. The only problem now (and that's a HUGE HUGE problem) with Windows phones is the lack of apps compared to Android and iOS. Once this issue is sorted out, Windows Phone 8 might actually reach the popularity of Android and iOS.

funkyzoom

The only thing I really hate about Windows Phone is that many apps and games which are frree on Android and iOS, are actually paid on Windows Phone. For example, the entire angry birds series is free for Android, but they're all paid on Windows Phone. This 'greed' of Microsft will likely be a big hindarnce for them.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I agree. I'm up to my 3rd Nokia Windows Phone (also had a HTC) and it's the best device I've owned with mobiles (I've also used Androids and iPhones). The market place is getting bigger each day, with most popular apps now porting over to Windows Phone. It was bad when it launched on Windows Phone 7, the market was nearly empty.FelipeInside

The only thing I really hate about Windows Phone is that many apps and games which are frree on Android and iOS, are actually paid on Windows Phone. For example, the entire angry birds series is free for Android, but they're all paid on Windows Phone. This 'greed' of Microsft will likely be a big hindarnce for them.

Thanks for telling me this, I didn't know. The XBOX store on Windows Phone has really cool games, and I'm itching to play them. The only problem is, mine is a third world country, and Microsoft doesn't accept payments in my country's currency. And paying in dollars/pounds/euros will be extremely expensive for me, and not at all feasible. That's why I miss playing all those great games.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I agree. I'm up to my 3rd Nokia Windows Phone (also had a HTC) and it's the best device I've owned with mobiles (I've also used Androids and iPhones). The market place is getting bigger each day, with most popular apps now porting over to Windows Phone. It was bad when it launched on Windows Phone 7, the market was nearly empty.FelipeInside

The only thing I really hate about Windows Phone is that many apps and games which are frree on Android and iOS, are actually paid on Windows Phone. For example, the entire angry birds series is free for Android, but they're all paid on Windows Phone. This 'greed' of Microsft will likely be a big hindarnce for them.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

The only thing I really hate about Windows Phone is that many apps and games which are frree on Android and iOS, are actually paid on Windows Phone. For example, the entire angry birds series is free for Android, but they're all paid on Windows Phone. This 'greed' of Microsft will likely be a big hindarnce for them.

Elann2008

I'm a bit supportive of Microsoft, because my career is entirely dependent on Microsoft. I'm a software developer working on the .NET framework (not working directly with Microsoft, though), so if something goes wrong with Microsoft, that will be the end of my career. :(

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You don't understand how it works. It's free on Android cause of rights, exclusives etc. It's also the other way around, there are games that are free on Windows Phone and paid on Android/iPhone. Developers do agreements with some platforms to bring their game out. Then that platform has the rights and sells it to other platforms, etc etc.funkyzoom

I'm a bit supportive of Microsoft, because my career is entirely dependent on Microsoft. I'm a software developer working on the .NET framework (not working directly with Microsoft, though), so if something goes wrong with Microsoft, that will be the end of my career. :(

I've been telling heaps of people that all you need to do is install Start8 and its exactly like 7 but better, no one listens, blind hate is all it is.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] So does that mean Microsoft isn't the negotiating type? They want to be exclusive? :P I still like my Windows Phone though.Elann2008

I'm a bit supportive of Microsoft, because my career is entirely dependent on Microsoft. I'm a software developer working on the .NET framework (not working directly with Microsoft, though), so if something goes wrong with Microsoft, that will be the end of my career. :(

Thanks a lot buddy! I have 3+ years of work experience in the .NET domain, but since I'm staying in a third world country, the scope for a software developer isn't much here. I'm being paid peanuts, and there is also a constant fear of being laid off any day. Most people say that if I move to a first world country, with my skills I can easily earn 5 times of what I'm earning now. But I'm unable to do that because just the airfare expenses would be equivalent to what I earn in a year. :(

I've been telling heaps of people that all you need to do is install Start8 and its exactly like 7 but better, no one listens, blind hate is all it is.

sailor232

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

I've been telling heaps of people that all you need to do is install Start8 and its exactly like 7 but better, no one listens, blind hate is all it is.

FelipeInside

Same opinion. If people are unwilling to spend that $5 for Start8, there are loads of free alternatives (like classic shell) which gets the job done. But I certainly feel that the main reason for people hating Windows 8 is Microsft's ego and stubbornness to force Metro on people. I'm sure that if Microsft just releases one simple stament saying that it was probably a mistake to mandate Metro rather than make it optional, most people would galdy use Windows 8 with Start8, Classic Shell or something similar. People hate Microsoft's attitude towards Windows 8 much more than hating Windows 8 itself.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="sailor232"]

I've been telling heaps of people that all you need to do is install Start8 and its exactly like 7 but better, no one listens, blind hate is all it is.

funkyzoom

Same opinion. If people are unwilling to spend that $5 for Start8, there are loads of free alternatives (like classic shell) which gets the job done. But I certainly feel that the main reason for people hating Windows 8 is Microsft's ego and stubbornness to force Metro on people. I'm sure that if Microsft just releases one simple stament saying that it was probably a mistake to mandate Metro rather than make it optional, most people would galdy use Windows 8 with Start8, Classic Shell or something similar. People hate Microsoft's attitude towards Windows 8 much more than hating Windows 8 itself.

But that's the thing, Microsoft and other companies (Apple, IBM back in the day, Google) ALL force things onto the consumer. You think a giant like MS is going to care that a minority don't like change and don't like a new menu system? or do you think they care more about where the market is at the moment (and heading) and point towards that? ANYTHING ANY company does is going to piss some people off. What matters is personal adaption. The new menu was hard for me too at first, but heck...I just learned it and now enjoy it for what it is. Is it perfect? of course not, and MS knows this therefore fixing it as we speak (Win 8.1).

Sometimes I wonder, when people work and something new comes into their workplace, do they just quit?

As for the menu...I don't think MS is bringing the old menu back anytime soon, since Metro IS the Start Menu. BUT, they did a 180 with the Xbox so who knows.

[QUOTE="funkyzoom"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I've said that countless times too... but haters will hate. Still, Start8 was the first thing I did when I installed Win8, but honestly, I sometimes just use the Metro Menu and it's fine.FelipeInside

Same opinion. If people are unwilling to spend that $5 for Start8, there are loads of free alternatives (like classic shell) which gets the job done. But I certainly feel that the main reason for people hating Windows 8 is Microsft's ego and stubbornness to force Metro on people. I'm sure that if Microsft just releases one simple stament saying that it was probably a mistake to mandate Metro rather than make it optional, most people would galdy use Windows 8 with Start8, Classic Shell or something similar. People hate Microsoft's attitude towards Windows 8 much more than hating Windows 8 itself.

But that's the thing, Microsoft and other companies (Apple, IBM back in the day, Google) ALL force things onto the consumer. You think a giant like MS is going to care that a minority don't like change and don't like a new menu system? or do you think they care more about where the market is at the moment (and heading) and point towards that? ANYTHING ANY company does is going to piss some people off. What matters is personal adaption. The new menu was hard for me too at first, but heck...I just learned it and now enjoy it for what it is. Is it perfect? of course not, and MS knows this therefore fixing it as we speak (Win 8.1).

Sometimes I wonder, when people work and something new comes into their workplace, do they just quit?

As for the menu...I don't think MS is bringing the old menu back anytime soon, since Metro IS the Start Menu. BUT, they did a 180 with the Xbox so who knows.

I agree with you, except for one small detail. You mentioned its only minority which don't like their new menu. In reality, almost everyone hates this new menu, as is evident from the universal backlash against Metro, so it can't be 'minority'. But like you mentioned, Microsoft won't really care because they're swimming in cash, and probably Microsoft bosses have enough money for 20 generations of their kin to lead a luxurious life without ever working. When the backlash is so huge, as it was in the case of XboxOne, even giants like Microsoft do succumb to the pressure. In case of Windows 8, the only reason why the backlash isn't as huge as XboxOne is due to the availability of 3rd party apps which restore the classic start menu. If these apps were not available, the case would have been similar to XBoxOne, and Micrasoft would have brought back the start menu. In spite of having wagonloads of cash, Windows is still Microsoft's falgship product, so they can't afford to be too careless about it. Now it doesn't matter if the start menu never comes back, because as long as Windows continues to exist, there will always be third party apps to provide the start menu.

In 5 years times everyone will be using the new menu and the old Start Menu will be forgotten. They have already improved it vastly with only the preview of 8.1, so I'm excited to see what they do with final and 8.2, 8.3, etc. Most people here will upgrade their PCs in the next few years, and it would be stupid to put Windows XP, Vista or 7 at this stage just because you can't learn a new menu system (that actually works the same as 7)FelipeInside

Who said anything about not willing or unable to learn the new menu. I said that M/KB are far better suited for the old UI instead of Metro UI.

Really ???

Don't believe the haters.  Windows 8 is actually doing great, together with Windows Phone 8.

I agree Win9 will combine more of Metro into the desktop mode, but people really need to start forgeting about the Start Menu coming back.

FelipeInside

Yeah really, Windows 8 is not selling as well as MS expected.