what can be done to avoid gaming piracy??

Stay away from it.

You can never TOTALLY stop it of course.... What amazes me is the "leaks" from big companies....like the recent Sims3. I know the copies are shipped out to different parts of the world before the release date....and THAT's the precise moment where someone opens up a package. They should somehow release the game and then quickly ship it out....I know it's probably impossible this way but...FelipeInside

don't you think,after the release,some people first buy the original copy then just upload it on torrent sites? now how the hell anybody can stop that??

What saddens me is the amount of PC gamers who pirate, and then complain when games are dumbed down. They are forcing the developers to go to consoles, since it's more profitable. I mean, think if you'd own a gaming company, who would you make games for?;

1) People who pirate your games and complain.

2) People who buy your games and praise them.

It's sad but it's the truth. I love PC gaming but sometimes I can't stand the community (well, a part of it anyway.)

Go console exclusive

What saddens me is the amount of PC gamers who pirate, and then complain when games are dumbed down. They are forcing the developers to go to consoles, since it's more profitable. I mean, think if you'd own a gaming company, who would you make games for?;

1) People who pirate your games and complain.

2) People who buy your games and praise them.

It's sad but it's the truth. I love PC gaming but sometimes I can't stand the community (well, a part of it anyway.)

HenriH-42

I agree with this 110%

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

What saddens me is the amount of PC gamers who pirate, and then complain when games are dumbed down. They are forcing the developers to go to consoles, since it's more profitable. I mean, think if you'd own a gaming company, who would you make games for?;

1) People who pirate your games and complain.

2) People who buy your games and praise them.

It's sad but it's the truth. I love PC gaming but sometimes I can't stand the community (well, a part of it anyway.)

broken_bass_bin

I agree with this 110%

Guys piracy is affecting consoles also..as far as pc gaming is concerned....IT'S GOING DOWN!!!!!:cry:

Curse you Gaming Pirates!! It's coz of you PC gaming community is sinking day by day!!:evil: DIIIEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

By the god people, what's your problem? Piracy isn't killing PC it never had, it has existed since the beginning of PC Gaming. And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done. Thing is lame developers use this as an excuse. "Oh no, we made such a cool game and it didn't sell as good as Halo, WOW or whatever it's because of pirates! DIE!!!" - truth is they release crappy, unoptimized piece of junk which, even if there would be no piracy at all, nobody would buy. Thing is consoles are more profitable - their games cost less to develop, you have greater potential base of buyers which outnumbers PC community 10:1, so the simple math says:

If i have 1 million of potential buyers on PC and if even only 30% of them pirates the game I am left with 700.000 buyers, while on the other hand I have 10 million potential buyers on consoles and even if 90% of them pirates the game I have 1 million buyers, which is more then for PC.

So yeah, stop talking nonsense, piracy isn't killing PC - economist are, they are simply watching the games as another product like shampoo or whatever , and it is obvious that consoles bring greater profit. But on the other hand we have exceptions which prove that quality games sell no matter what: pretty much every Valve and Blizzard game, Age of Empires, etc.

So please stop making this idiotic threads and think about what are you claming to be true.

"And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done." Wrong, uninformed, and just wrong (like usual for the pirate defenders). First off...the 360 is no where near as easy to pirate games for than a PC. A PC all you have to do is download a game apply a crack and that's it. The 360 you have to open up the 360 (voiding the warranty), take out the drive and flash it with special equipment (some drives even require soldering). And the PS3, was uncrackable for years and still the piracy on it is so small (because how hard it is) it barely exists compared to the PC piracy rates.dnuggs40

Uh, if you don't know to do it you can always pay someone to do it, no? Once that is done playing pirated games on XBOX is easier then on PC, all you have to do is download, burn and play. While PC games you need to crack, and it is proven fact that some games cannot be cracked for months.

As for PS3, yeah it's true, it hasn't been cracked yet, though it sold less the xbox, wonder why.

By the god people, what's your problem? Piracy isn't killing PC it never had, it has existed since the beginning of PC Gaming. And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done. Thing is lame developers use this as an excuse. "Oh no, we made such a cool game and it didn't sell as good as Halo, WOW or whatever it's because of pirates! DIE!!!" - truth is they release crappy, unoptimized piece of junk which, even if there would be no piracy at all, nobody would buy. Thing is consoles are more profitable - their games cost less to develop, you have greater potential base of buyers which outnumbers PC community 10:1, so the simple math says:

If i have 1 million of potential buyers on PC and if even only 30% of them pirates the game I am left with 700.000 buyers, while on the other hand I have 10 million potential buyers on consoles and even if 90% of them pirates the game I have 1 million buyers, which is more then for PC.

So yeah, stop talking nonsense, piracy isn't killing PC - economist are, they are simply watching the games as another product like shampoo or whatever , and it is obvious that consoles bring greater profit. But on the other hand we have exceptions which prove that quality games sell no matter what: pretty much every Valve and Blizzard game, Age of Empires, etc.

So please stop making this idiotic threads and think about what are you claming to be true.

stefip

First I never said there is no piracy in console gaming! Second Piracy rate is higher for pc gaming than consoles! Third for your kind information Piracy rate is much much higer than you think it is! I surely don't agree with your imaginary statistics!! By saying that you are trying to defend piracy actually.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done." Wrong, uninformed, and just wrong (like usual for the pirate defenders). First off...the 360 is no where near as easy to pirate games for than a PC. A PC all you have to do is download a game apply a crack and that's it. The 360 you have to open up the 360 (voiding the warranty), take out the drive and flash it with special equipment (some drives even require soldering). And the PS3, was uncrackable for years and still the piracy on it is so small (because how hard it is) it barely exists compared to the PC piracy rates.stefip

Uh, if you don't know to do it you can always pay someone to do it, no? Once that is done playing pirated games on XBOX is easier then on PC, all you have to do is download, burn and play. While PC games you need to crack, and it is proven fact that some games cannot be cracked for months.

As for PS3, yeah it's true, it hasn't been cracked yet, though it sold less the xbox, wonder why.

While it is true Xbox has been outselling PS3 from the start, after it was cracked it sold way more in eastern europe then PS3. Those kind of statistics usually aren't available on the net because Eastern Europe isn't having officaly importers of consoles, it's more like where you find it, you find it.

Newer versions of XBOX are harder to crack, but the first ones were very easily crackable. About the warranty, well I dunno I guess it depends, it doesn't mean a **** to me, but guess if it is so important to you, then yeah I guess cracking XBOX is harder then.

"Those kind of statistics usually aren't available on the net because Eastern Europe isn't having officaly importers of consoles, it's more like where you find it, you find it" Oh you mean you can't actually back up your fake statistics? Gotcha! You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? LoL...dnuggs40

If you find them on the net, kudos to you. Post them here and show I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]"Those kind of statistics usually aren't available on the net because Eastern Europe isn't having officaly importers of consoles, it's more like where you find it, you find it" Oh you mean you can't actually back up your fake statistics? Gotcha! You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? LoL...stefip

If you find them on the net, kudos to you. Post them here and show I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="stefip"]

By the god people, what's your problem? Piracy isn't killing PC it never had, it has existed since the beginning of PC Gaming. And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done. Thing is lame developers use this as an excuse. "Oh no, we made such a cool game and it didn't sell as good as Halo, WOW or whatever it's because of pirates! DIE!!!" - truth is they release crappy, unoptimized piece of junk which, even if there would be no piracy at all, nobody would buy. Thing is consoles are more profitable - their games cost less to develop, you have greater potential base of buyers which outnumbers PC community 10:1, so the simple math says:

If i have 1 million of potential buyers on PC and if even only 30% of them pirates the game I am left with 700.000 buyers, while on the other hand I have 10 million potential buyers on consoles and even if 90% of them pirates the game I have 1 million buyers, which is more then for PC.

So yeah, stop talking nonsense, piracy isn't killing PC - economist are, they are simply watching the games as another product like shampoo or whatever , and it is obvious that consoles bring greater profit. But on the other hand we have exceptions which prove that quality games sell no matter what: pretty much every Valve and Blizzard game, Age of Empires, etc.

So please stop making this idiotic threads and think about what are you claming to be true.

vj02

First I never said there is no piracy in console gaming! Second Piracy rate is higher for pc gaming than consoles! Third for your kind information Piracy rate is much much higer than you think it is! I surely don't agree with your imaginary statistics!! By saying that you are trying to defend piracy actually.

What are you talking about, how can I back them up when you can't find them anywhere, I mean I live here, I know how things work, if you don't trust me, fine, but don't make it sound like a lie.

Anyway, my post was a mistake, now I'm in this pointless debate, understand me I'm not saying you won, but it is obvious this isn't going anywhere, no matter how valid and true yours or mine information is, you won't convince me, neither will I convince you. So, let's call it a day and end this waste of time.

"What are you talking about, how can I back them up when you can't find them anywhere, I mean I live here, I know how things work, if you don't trust me, fine, but don't make it sound like a lie."

Right, they don't exist...you made them up.

"Anyway, my post was a mistake, now I'm in this pointless debate, understand me I'm not saying you won, but it is obvious this isn't going anywhere, no matter how valid and true yours or mine information is, you won't convince me, neither will I convince you. So, let's call it a day and end this waste of time."

What I say is valid, and what you have said has been shown to be incorrect. I understand you won't change your opinion but that's only due to stubbornness. You can lead a horse to water...well you know how that one goes...

What you said is valid, hahaha, don't make me laugh, ask anyone who lives here and he will tell you the same. Ok end now.

Try Onlive.hoplayletsplay

:lol:

What you said is valid, hahaha, don't make me laugh, ask anyone who lives here and he will tell you the same. Ok end now.

stefip

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]Try Onlive.vj02

:lol:

By the god people, what's your problem? Piracy isn't killing PC it never had, it has existed since the beginning of PC Gaming. And what are you people talking about consoles being hard to crack? They are eaisly(even more so then PC) cracked. Look at XBOX360 - 1 little flash and done. Thing is lame developers use this as an excuse. "Oh no, we made such a cool game and it didn't sell as good as Halo, WOW or whatever it's because of pirates! DIE!!!" - truth is they release crappy, unoptimized piece of junk which, even if there would be no piracy at all, nobody would buy. Thing is consoles are more profitable - their games cost less to develop, you have greater potential base of buyers which outnumbers PC community 10:1, so the simple math says:

If i have 1 million of potential buyers on PC and if even only 30% of them pirates the game I am left with 700.000 buyers, while on the other hand I have 10 million potential buyers on consoles and even if 90% of them pirates the game I have 1 million buyers, which is more then for PC.

So yeah, stop talking nonsense, piracy isn't killing PC - economist are, they are simply watching the games as another product like shampoo or whatever , and it is obvious that consoles bring greater profit. But on the other hand we have exceptions which prove that quality games sell no matter what: pretty much every Valve and Blizzard game, Age of Empires, etc.

So please stop making this idiotic threads and think about what are you claming to be true.

stefip

agreed, developers are just being greedy back then games were also done to have quality in them, i wont pay for some crappy game that sells for 50 dollars, thats a lot of money and just like music should be entertainment should be cheaper, its a damn game!! i certainly dont need it to survive! sure they are enjoyable and i spend good time on them also they need money to feed their family but wouldnt they make more profit if games were cheaper?

i do it and im proud of it, i only buy games that are worth it like fallout or world of goo, games are becoming a really big business and there are many more console gamers out there so of course big companys are going to move to consoles.

pc gaming will never die simply because there will always be some loyal companies and other new ones will try their luck, its better this way, only the worthy ones will deserve support, developers need to work hard and most of them doesnt give a crap about its consumers.

restrictions dont work, this applies to everything

To me DRM is self-defeating. It kills sales. I was all set to purchase Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, until I heard about that vicious DRM placed on it by Atari.

That did it for me: I'll do without the game. I can still periodically enjoy the first Riddick game. Bad move on Atari's part - the first game sold very well, and had no DRM, so why they placed it on Dark Athena I'll never understand.

You were wrong about the console vs pc piracy ease thing, you were wrong about 360 sales, and now you have nothing but imaginary statistics made up all by yourself. ROFL Indeed, end.dnuggs40

Dude, way to behave like a children in a schoolyard...

On topic: It won't disappear but it could be reduced with better PC services, lower prices, rental system and stuff working in favor of the customers. Digital downloads are already a step in the right direction with services like Steam and their the weekend sales.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You were wrong about the console vs pc piracy ease thing, you were wrong about 360 sales, and now you have nothing but imaginary statistics made up all by yourself. ROFL Indeed, end.Cenerune

Dude, way to behave like a children in a schoolyard...

On topic: It won't disappear but it could be reduced with better PC services, lower prices, rental system and stuff working in favor of the customers. Digital downloads are already a step in the right direction with services like Steam and their the weekend sales.

Some major price cuts would certainly reduce piracy.jimmyjammer69

Sorry, so tired of people running around with their fake reasons why stealing games are OK. And pointing out to people their baloney doesn't make me a child on the school yard. dnuggs40

It's the way you actually point it out and carry it on and on that is childish without giving a though to it and simply dismissing everything he says. The guy live in Eastern Europe and used local observations which is perfectly valid and accurate information on what happens locally where he reside. He didn't argue about the USA console sales but the sales in his area. I think he has more of an idea of what's going on in his area than you do about his area with teh internet facts which btw are not exactly 100% trustworthy sources either.

Also, because people have different points of view doesn't mean they are ''fake'' reasons. They are very present problems that needs to be fixed, that includes low content full priced games, DRM, buggy games and so on. Not to say it's OK to do so but this is part of why it happens and to deny it is just as bad as trying to justify it's right to do it.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Sorry, so tired of people running around with their fake reasons why stealing games are OK. And pointing out to people their baloney doesn't make me a child on the school yard. Cenerune

It's the way you actually point it out and carry it on and on that is childish without giving a though to it and simply dismissing everything he says. The guy live in Eastern Europe and used local observations which is perfectly valid and accurate information on what happens locally where he reside. He didn't argue about the USA console sales but the sales in his area. I think he has more of an idea of what's going on in his area than you do about his area with teh internet facts which btw are not exactly 100% trustworthy sources either.

Also, because people have different points of view doesn't mean they are ''fake'' reasons. They are very present problems that needs to be fixed, that includes low content full priced games, DRM, buggy games and so on. Not to say it's OK to do so but this is part of why it happens and to deny it is just as bad as trying to justify it's right to do it.

It doesn't bother me if people pirate games. PC gaming has been "dying" since before DNF was announced. There's always going to be enough people who pay for games.

Uh, no, personal observation does not equate legit statistics. If that was the case (since everyone I know buys their games) I could say most people buy games and piracy is extremely low...but of course this is not the case...at all. And it's not different points of view...his "points of view" are incorrect based on factual information. Like his claim that consoles are easier to crack than PC's...this is not a "point of view" it is a FACT it is easier to pirate PC games. No soldering, no flashing drives, no voiding warranties, nothing of the sort. And the excuse of bugs is also bogus. A game is buggy? Don't play it! Simple as that. It of course has nothing to do with DRM, bugs, demos, price, bla bla bla bla. It's one simple fact: Free > $$$dnuggs40

He spoke about his area, aka: Eastern Europe, you call his point of view incorrect yet fails to prove the opposite yourself. Where are your statistics? Until you show them, he has more credibility than you about what happens in eastern europe since he lives there and you don't. If everyone buy their games in your area then it is a fact everyone in your area buys their games unless you purposely lie. Guess what tho, the internet can still lie too! When it comes to what is and what is not about X subject in Y country or area that is not yours, don't act like you know more about it than the very person living there until you have a very credible source yourself.

And please... Free > $$$ is such a bad generalisation. It's statement like this that makes someone lose any credibility they have, your own ''facts'' are full of bs and biased so i don't see where you are actually more credible than he is. If it was such a simple reason, i know plenty of people who would own no games legally at all yet they do regularly buy and pirate games. If free > $$$, care to explain me why they own games then?

any suggestions??vj02

Buy games.

[QUOTE="vj02"]any suggestions??teddyrob

Buy games.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]You can never TOTALLY stop it of course.... What amazes me is the "leaks" from big companies....like the recent Sims3. I know the copies are shipped out to different parts of the world before the release date....and THAT's the precise moment where someone opens up a package. They should somehow release the game and then quickly ship it out....I know it's probably impossible this way but...vj02

don't you think,after the release,some people first buy the original copy then just upload it on torrent sites? now how the hell anybody can stop that??

if the onlive system becomes the major gaming system in future, that will kill video game piracy

else... nothing to do, and talking about it makes no sense, its the same since the late 80s

Lol all of these arguments is valid.

It's not right to pirate "steal" a software games or not and at the same time some people who can't afford to buy it "those who live in a less developed economy but can buy a pc" may consider doing it.

Now let's have 2 examples shall we?

1- a person who lives in France and make a good living shouldn't get a pirated game because he can afford to & he is one of the marketing targets of the game developers.

2-a person who live in a less developed "poor" Eastern Europe and lives on a salary of less than 200$...well he can pirate the game because he can't pay 45$/50$ for a game & he was never a marketing target for this game...+ he will not hurt the developers because he didn't steal an original copy..he just transferred some data.

Any one sees example 2 and says stealing is stealing he is right i can't say otherwise but we live in the real world here and Ideals belongs to the papers only...only when every one in this world is happy and making enough money then we can apply the rule of stealing.

I don't mean any offense to any one in Eastern Europe here i'm just making an example....i'm no bigot.

sataricon

for the love of my life...... i've never understood why there's even a debate on this. france, eastern europe, Barack Obama or a downtrodden Shiite inFallujah -- i really don't care. Piracy is a violation of written international law, it's a crime and IT'S THAT SIMPLE.