What do you Miss Most in PC Gaming?

I miss adventure games like Sanitarium, Grim Fandango, The Curse of Monkey Island and Zork Grand Inquisitor.

I miss basketball games like NBA Live 2000.

I miss quality gaming magazines.

I miss 3DO.

I miss different games like Dungeon Keeper, Theme Hospital, Abe's Oddysee, Blood, Legacy of Kain, Daggerfall,Worms.

I miss quality RPG's like Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, Diablo, Fallout 2, Nox.

I miss addictive games like HoMM 2&3 and Might & Magic VI.

Split screen, especially in racing games and fighting games.

And Road Rash.

I miss epic boss fights.

I also miss lifebars, rather than those auto healing these days. Kinda makes the game a lot more challenging.

Yeah I miss adventure games too. I'm hoping that the next Broken Sword will be back to 2D rather than those awful 3D ones.

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

bogaty

This.

Whatever happened to games like Thief and Deus Ex? :(

big boxes for PC games...stuffed with useless crap. i miss the useless crap. dvd cases are just pansies :P.

big boxes for PC games...stuffed with useless crap. i miss the useless crap. dvd cases are just pansies :P.

osan0

For sure! Gotta love those good ol' big boxes! :)

DVD cases can't touch this. ;)

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

bogaty

Yeah, I miss quality as well.

The mystery. There was a time when I had absolutely no idea what to expect from most games, and my excitement at times - like while waiting for games to install - was often overwhelming and I would play late into the night, simply unable to sleep. Once, I actually went 52 hours - over two full days - without sleep, because I simply couldn't stop gaming. I had so many amazing, awesome games to play. Today, I know what to expect from almost every single game I play, and chances are I've already played it before in some shape or form. There are a few unknowns and a few surprises here and there, but they are now the exception, not the rule.

In fact, the only real mystery with modern games is: will the game install without the DRM ****ing me, and once it's installed, will there be any gamebreaking bugs that keep me from playing it properly.

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

bogaty

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Im 14.... and why do gamers make make such a big deal of age diffrence?

The mystery. There was a time when I had absolutely no idea what to expect from most games, and my excitement at times - like while waiting for games to install - was often overwhelming and I would play late into the night, simply unable to sleep. Once, I actually went 52 hours - over two full days - without sleep, because I simply couldn't stop gaming. I had so many amazing, awesome games to play. Today, I know what to expect from almost every single game I play, and chances are I've already played it before in some shape or form. There are a few unknowns and a few surprises here and there, but they are now the exception, not the rule.

In fact, the only real mystery with modern games is: will the game install without the DRM ****ing me, and once it's installed, will there be any gamebreaking bugs that keep me from playing it properly.

fatshodan

I agree 100%. It used to be that I couldn't sleep because I was waiting for a new awesome game coming out. And when it came out, I played it for several days straight, with only 3 hours sleep max. And buying random games, that was really great during the 90's! I didn't have internet, I didn't read any magazines, I never expected what I'd get. It was really a wonderful feeling, opening the box (and they usually had really, really cool boxart) and installing that new game and finding out what kind of game it is. These days every game gets hyped to no end and ends up not living to the hype and will be disappointing. I feel like there's nothing worth getting excited about anymore. The only thing that seems to be improved since 2005-> are the graphics. 90's was truly the best era in gaming.

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This is my first post on gamespot. Woohoo!

I also miss adventure games like Day of the Tentacle, Sam and Max, Grim Fandango, M.I., Fullthrottle.

Am I the only one who thinks 2D was much better than 3D adventure games nowadays? I kind of liked the cartoonish looks...

On the adventure genre:

Telltale has released Sam and Max Seasons 1 and 2 in the last few years, is currently releasing Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Season 1 episodes, is working on S&M Season 3 and a Wallace and Gromit Season.

Crimson Cow (ex-LucasArts) is working on, and hopefully very soon releasing A Vampyre Story - a vampire themed adventure game.

Rob Gilbert (you should definitely know that name) is working on an episodic RPG-adventure game called DeathSpank.

4Head (and two writers on numerous cIassic LucasArts adventures) are working on Mata Hari, a WW2-themed adventure game.

Steve Ince, the writer of the original Broken Sword, is working on an adventure game called So Blonde.

And these are just the ones that interest me - there are plenty more in development.

I totally agree that there aren't as many great adventure games out there as there used to be, but there are still great adventure games being made - you just have to look for them. And not on the front page.

Steve Ince, the writer of the original Broken Sword, is working on an adventure game called So Blonde.

fatshodan

So Blonde was released in english a few weeks ago and it's meh. The humour is good, but technical problems and idiot pixel hunting ruined it.

It's weird that it's a French game, with an English writer, and released in Germany first.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Steve Ince, the writer of the original Broken Sword, is working on an adventure game called So Blonde.

Baranga

So Blonde was released in english a few weeks ago and it's meh. The humour is good, but technical problems and idiot pixel hunting ruined it.

It's weird that it's a French game, with an English writer, and released in Germany first.

Really? Neat. I was kind of expecting pixel hunting (since the guy worked with Charles Cecil), but I was expecting quality writing.

Have you played it, or are you just passing on information from elsewhere? If you have played it, would you recommend it on the whole? I usually play adventure games for the dialogue and art more than the puzzles anyway.

I miss Nothing

[QUOTE="Baranga"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Steve Ince, the writer of the original Broken Sword, is working on an adventure game called So Blonde.

fatshodan

So Blonde was released in english a few weeks ago and it's meh. The humour is good, but technical problems and idiot pixel hunting ruined it.

It's weird that it's a French game, with an English writer, and released in Germany first.

Really? Neat. I was kind of expecting pixel hunting (since the guy worked with Charles Cecil), but I was expecting quality writing.

Have you played it, or are you just passing on information from elsewhere? If you have played it, would you recommend it on the whole? I usually play adventure games for the dialogue and art more than the puzzles anyway.

It's reviewed in a PC magazine from my country. This magazine has a big games section, and they have a habit of reviewing most adventure games that are new on the market, sometimes in favour of other "mainstream" games. So they can be trusted:)

They say the main character is superficial and dumb, which was to be expected, and it's not exactly likable. Every object MUST be closely examined. Unfortunately, there's a crapload of objects on screen, so you'll spend a lot of time hunting pixels.

The puzzles and the story are illogical, and the story is especially chaotic. You also backtrack a lot, and, of course, the loading screens are unnerving.

But there are also good parts. Sometimes you controll other characters, including an animal. Most characters are funny. There are also minigames, like wrestling, fishing, or catching water droplets with a coconut; these minigames can be skipped. The humour is top notch. The graphic sty1e is reminiscent of Monkey Island (So Blonde also includes pirates).

Their conclusion is that the main character and the design problems really hurt So Blonde. It's just an adventure game that fits in the contemporary trend - games like the new Sherlock Holmes series, Perry Rhodan or Benoît Sokal's newer productions, games that have real qualities... buried under technical problems, design decisions and sometimes bad stories.

It got a 7.5

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I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

JangoWuzHere

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Im 14.... and why do gamers make make such a big deal of age diffrence?

People like to displace their anger on a certain thing (age, race, gender)..don't worry about it, just be mature and figure they're idiots

[QUOTE="osan0"]

big boxes for PC games...stuffed with useless crap. i miss the useless crap. dvd cases are just pansies :P.

HenriH-42

For sure! Gotta love those good ol' big boxes! :)

DVD cases can't touch this. ;)

this is the coolest box i ever saw. the nexest biggest thing i ever saw was the box that came with f-18 stealth fighter for the tandy 1000. oh andI AM NOT an ADD afected 14 year old. :(

Lets see....

I miss Games for Windows magazine and Computer Games magazine. The first did an actual investigation into the claims against Starforce and was the only review that warned their readers about all the trouble steam was causing when Half-life 2 was released. The second had some of the most through provoking and indepth articles I have seen in an gaming magazine.

I miss the big boxes full of stuff too. Some of my fondest gaming memeories revolve around all that stuff. The cloth maps and nicknacks from the Ultima games are the first to come to mind. If you want those kinds of toys these days you have to spend $80 on the collector's editions and hope the stuff is actually any good.

this is the coolest box i ever saw. the nexest biggest thing i ever saw was the box that came with f-18 stealth fighter for the tandy 1000. oh andI AM NOT an ADD afected 14 year old. :(

pvtdonut54

Yea I have lots of boxes similar to this (about 40 in total.) Most of them come with great artwork and huge manuals. One of them even has a comic book, heh.

It's amazing how much the quality of the game boxes has fallen. Back in the 90's even the re-release boxes still had most of the stuff in them,

This is just a re-release, and it still has more stuff than modern games' collector's editions usually do!

Now let's look at modern games

Not only does the dvd case look a lot less cool than those big boxes do, the re-release is the real crapfest.

I mean first of all, no manual? That really helps... And the dvd looks like it's a pirated copy! That's just pathetic...

I really miss the big boxes... :cry: *hugs his games*

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines.

bogaty

I removed a couple of things. But what remains I completely agree with.

infinity engine. it represents the ideal that the genre should root in art, not technology.

[QUOTE="osan0"]

big boxes for PC games...stuffed with useless crap. i miss the useless crap. dvd cases are just pansies :P.

HenriH-42

For sure! Gotta love those good ol' big boxes! :)

DVD cases can't touch this. ;)

LOL!!! I miss those as well.. you should have seen my collection... my wife threw the empty boxes away thinking they were garbage... Our marriage hasn't been the same since.

the golden age of pc gaming for me : 1995-2000naval

agreed

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

bogaty

Couldnt have said it better. Only thing I would add is, I miss when all the PC games where made by small game companies, so they actually listened to what their players wanted because they where competing with all the other small gaming companies. Now, they just milk series', such as COD, no game should EVER reach number 5. Or, make games that as soon as people buy their game, they forget about it, and dont care if its glitchy. They made their money, why should they care?

It almost as if games aren't created by gamers anymore.. I dont understand it.CGavin

Im telling you man, the developers do as LITTLE as they can to get you to buy the game, and they wash there hands of it. Unless of course the game does really well, then you better beleive they will make an expansion or another game in the series. They WILL milk it if they can. I understand that its business, and its about making money. But why does the company have to be ran by people who arent gamers?

This is why I hope and pray that Darkfall will be our light in the darkness.

I miss games made from the Quake 3 engine .. an example of what has gone past is .. obviously Quake 3 :P, Jedi Knight:Jedi Outcast, and Alice.

may not have been entirely pretty to look at .. but man no engine comes close to the sense of speed(forward momentum) the physics in the Quake 3 engine produces .. playing capture the flag in Quake 3 and Jedi Outcast was a visceral rush with how fast paced the action was .. of course you had to understand the physics implicitly to be able to generate such truly fast speeds by strafing and strafe jumping .. but if you showed up slow .. you'd show up dead. over and over and over again.

haha good stuff

a sidenote .. quake 3 and jedi outcast had professional leagues for clans to wage war and test their mettle against. I believe but dont know that there may be leagues for more current games .. alas I'm not happy with any modern multiplayer so i don't compete on a professional level any more and thus dont keep track of any leagues.

I miss the warm fuzzy feeling of belonging you got from buying games from a particular developer. My favorite would have to be Sierra On-line; their adventure games were filled with in-jokes, references to other Sierra games, and cameos from members of the company. Sure, some companies do this today, but not to the extent that Sierra did.

It felt like I was part of a club instead of just a consumer buying a game.

I miss huge manuals with lots of backstory and bonuses

I miss big boxes, sure they take up huge amounds of room but I love them, of course they aren't needed anymore with 6 page manusl.

I miss 2D RTS games, I don't think the 3D RTS transition worked as well as it should

I miss Duke Nukem

[QUOTE="bogaty"]

I miss games that valued depth, thought and replayability over instant gratification, twitch based gameplay, dumbed down interface, linear level design, overused genres, and cliched storylines aimed at ADD afflicted 14 year olds.

I also miss space sims that require a joystick.

Orcishman05

Couldnt have said it better. Only thing I would add is, I miss when all the PC games where made by small game companies, so they actually listened to what their players wanted because they where competing with all the other small gaming companies. Now, they just milk series', such as COD, no game should EVER reach number 5. Or, make games that as soon as people buy their game, they forget about it, and dont care if its glitchy. They made their money, why should they care?

This is why I consider Valve to be one of the best gaming companies around. TF2 was released almost a year ago, but they are still patching and adding new weapons to it! :)

The mystery. There was a time when I had absolutely no idea what to expect from most games, and my excitement at times - like while waiting for games to install - was often overwhelming and I would play late into the night, simply unable to sleep. Once, I actually went 52 hours - over two full days - without sleep, because I simply couldn't stop gaming. I had so many amazing, awesome games to play. Today, I know what to expect from almost every single game I play, and chances are I've already played it before in some shape or form. There are a few unknowns and a few surprises here and there, but they are now the exception, not the rule.

In fact, the only real mystery with modern games is: will the game install without the DRM ****ing me, and once it's installed, will there be any gamebreaking bugs that keep me from playing it properly.

fatshodan

This.