What happened to all the big deep PC games?

Like remember games like Chuck Yeager's air combat, Sim City 2000, Sim Ant, Flight Simulator X, Everquest, Ultima Online, Age of empires....

There is no way there shouldn't be a Fighter Aircraft game that comes out every couple years, a great simcity game, and animal sim games like sim ant, a deep flight sim, and a huge new MMO, and a new age of empires.

These kind of games never really go out of style so I don't understand why we're not getting them?

I actually heard some PC gamers prefer games like division where they can pop in an out quickly from games. But I always prefer a game that takes awhile and requires a lot of strategy and HATE games that are casual and quick bites and I never will like those!

I can take a break from my game of baldur's gate 2 whenever i want or save and pause and don't mind the game being long since its fun for me.

Sometimes you wanna go for a light game, just have fun and not be too bothered with sucking or not. At other times I love deep games too, games that require your attention and your time to get good. Games that offer a good challenge.

As for Age of Empires, I'd surely love one. But very soon we are getting Cossacks 3, which plays a lot like Age of Empires:

In fact RTS has made a big return these past years. The genre was dead not too long ago, and we are getting quality releases again. I couldn't be happier.

There are also deep and tactical FPS upcoming like Insurgency Firestorm and Rising Storm 2 that I'm very excited for.

PC gaming is in a very good state right now.

Check out Cities: Skylines for your SimCity fix after Maxis and EA botched their attempt. It's everything the new SC should have been, plus it has a great mod community.

Everyone busy playing Overwatch atm to worry about those kinds of games.

B/c indie games are better....

its mostly eSport games that the PC market is hugely into. Games like Dota 2, League of Legends, Overwatch, WoW etc etc. I know off the top of my head that Dota 2 has a number of tournaments every year. The prize money last year for the championship team was $10million. This year it jumped to $20M. So yeah, alot of console games aren't that popular on PC, but the PC games that are popular generally dwarf anything else on any console.

I feel like the big, deep PC games still come out. There are still lots of wargames, simulation-type games, ridiculously deep MMO's, RPG's, etc.

You just don't hear about them because these games are niche.

hardcore combat flight sims = dcs world + addons

http://store.steampowered.com/app/223750/

simcade combat flight sim = combat air patrol 2 -harrier focused-

http://store.steampowered.com/app/347170/

'next gen ms flight sim' = dovetail flight school

http://store.steampowered.com/app/441920/

another simcade flight sim = aerofly fs2 flight sim

http://store.steampowered.com/app/434030/

trucking sim = american truck simulator

http://store.steampowered.com/app/270880/

hardcore racing sim = automobilista

http://store.steampowered.com/app/431600/

gokart sim = kartkraft

http://store.steampowered.com/app/406350/

hardcore car physics sim = beamng drive

http://store.steampowered.com/app/284160/

hardcore space sim (like dcs) = rogue system

http://store.steampowered.com/app/366000/

the premiere space sim (before star citizen) = elite dangerous

http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/

arcade space shooter = house of the dying sun

http://store.steampowered.com/app/283160/

even more arcade space shooter (like freelancer) = everspace

http://store.steampowered.com/app/396750/

submarine sim (like silent hunter) = uboot

http://store.steampowered.com/app/494840/

simcade ancient warship mmo = naval action

http://store.steampowered.com/app/311310/

the premiere city builder = cities skylines

http://store.steampowered.com/app/255710/

simtower like game = project highrise

http://store.steampowered.com/app/423580/

the premiere rocket builder game = kerbal space program

http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/

the martian simulator = take on mars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/244030/

medieval combat mmo (like mount and blade) = of kings and men

http://store.steampowered.com/app/430440/

hardcore naval wargame = command : modern air/naval operations

http://store.steampowered.com/app/321410/

simcade wargame = wargame : red dragon

http://store.steampowered.com/app/251060/

tank focused rts = graviteam tactics mius front

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312980/

old style cnc like game = 8 bit armies

http://store.steampowered.com/app/427250/

heck, many of these games have alternative I haven't mentioned, and there are still some pc centric genres I haven't mentioned here like TBS games, cRPG and the likes, and there's still some crowdfunded projects I haven't mentioned too...

as I have said several times in this forum (and systemwars) : this is a great time to be pc gamers!

and sorry to say but, people should be ashamed if they claimed to be pc gamers and continue to be ignorant with the titles I mentioned above and others like it... also check the stickied thread!

I don't have patience for some of the deep RTS games, too many icons and stuff to click on and I hate managing anything but I do enjoy using tactics to defeat an enemy. I want an RTS that plays simpler like Chess but I don't keep up with what comes out.

Great mods and great expansions. deep game, and the devs of C:S actually deserve your money, unlike EA, who proved their character with the Sim City launch.

Keep your eyes open man. Strategy games are bigger and better than ever. Supreme Commanders (or Planetary Annihilation), Total Wars, XCOM 2, Civilizations, new Homeworld...

If you liked Baldur's Gate 2, then you MUST check out Pillars Of Eternity. You'll love it.

Also Star Citizen is being made to satisfy old space sim geeks, and it's also an MMO. So far it's looking like the most epic game ever made. How it turns out though, is a good question, but it sure doesn't lack ambition (nor funding, which in theory means they have all the potential to succeed). I know you didn't really mention anything about space sims, but the words "big" and "deep" are more at home here than anywhere else.

There are very few old games that i miss anymore, now that XCOM got remade. There's just not many old games that hold bigger substance than what modern games have to offer. I admit i don't know what the situation is when it comes to flight sims, since i don't really play them.

@pimphand_gamer

You said you might enjoy some simpler RTS that would play more like chess, so did you ever try World In Conflict? Multiplayer was really unique too; max 8 vs 8 in two teams, where every player played a handful of carefully selected units for different roles, and tried to capture points. Like strategy version of Battlefield's conquest mode. No basebuilding. That game got good reviews, but i still think it slipped under many gamers' radar.

EDIT: i just learned that World In Conflict servers have been shut down. Goddammit. This is why they should patch the games for player-hosted server support before doing this crap. Same thing for Crysis Wars...

If sony didn't nick no mans sky and made hello games dumb it down then that's one. No mans sky was meant to be a PC exclusive then Sony nicked it and probably bribed ££££££ to hello games for it.

Witcher 3 is huge, one of the reasons I didn't play as much because the game is too big to me and got plenty or should I say too much to do - so you can't really complain because it's one of the games that was sold pretty well - even for a game without DRM.

Those games are still around and i'd say nowdays there are more actually. Games like cities skyline, fallen enchantress , endless legend, endless space , all the paradox stuff such as crusader kings, europa universallis, the upcoming cossacs , X3 series ( though they did f***k up the latest instalment )

@ProtossRushX:

Simcity got a sequel recently for pc only, didn't it? Wish I could play it.

There's like 13948204 (i.e. a large number) MMOs.

There's the Total War series, which is an awesome game series.

There's the X3 series for space combat .

There's Cities: Skylines and the Sims 3 for building.

You can search places like Steam for the appropriate games. Sort by Price (highest to lowest) to find the big ones (usually more expensive)

@ProtossRushX: It's nice to have all manner of games available imo. I enjoy being able to "pop in" for a few minutes when time is short or I need a quick break. Conversely, I also enjoy games that take some time to learn (and even longer to master).

I must admit, though, as I get older my preference leans towards the former. When Falcon 4.0 came out, it came in a big binder with a manual like 1000 pages long and my nerdy 15 year-old ass sat there and read and read and flew and crashed and read some more.

I could not be bothered to do that, now. I need more fun per hour, period.

I'm pretty sure there is no 15 years old F-16 pilots today nor there are those older people who said to their instructor : I couldn't be bothered with all those long boring flight school.

my point is, either you embrace aviation and military aviation or you don't, I also couldn't think there are people who liked falcon games back then and now as they grew older now only prefer ace combat.

@killered3: That was back in 2013. Think your thinking of city skylines which is from different company but still good.

that's a pretty close-minded view, especially for something that should be fun and taken not-so-serious (but maybe a little serious). Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

I enjoy flight sims of the technical sort (Falcon 4.0, DCS series, Comanche vs. Hokkum, etc) still, a little bit; but I can also enjoy the more arcade/"sim-lite" sims such as the classic Novalogic simulations (F-22 Lightning III, Comanche series) or the old school Jane's simulations (Advanced Tactical Fighters, USAF, etc).

There's much joy to be had in spending hours upon hours learning the A-10 inside and out, learning to fly it from taxi to landing, lining up that perfect approach on an enemy column and unleashing depleted uranium slugs downrange with my GAU-8 cannon. Conversely, there's a lot of simple pleasure derived from just taking off with a plane (that may or may not exist...whatever happened to the X-31?) carrying an unrealistic amount of ordnance, hitting a "quick travel" button to the next waypoint, flying around and shooting everything that moves, then heading back home (all done in less than hour).

I'm very content living in a world where I can enjoy both sides, and don't apply strict and unreasonable standards to my enjoyment.

Have you ever seen a game from Paradox?

@R4gn4r0k: Hot DAG!!! Cossacks 3 looks amazing!

Most of those franchises were destroyed when Microsoft sold out to consoles.

There's a billion deep PC games out there.

Indeed.

The gaming media coverage i.e. marketing mostly goes to whatever Publisher that has the most money

• pillars of eternity
• icewind enhanced edition
• divinity original sin enhanced edition
• fsx steam edition with $2, 297.15 worth of dlc so this should take forever to complete, can't get any deeper than that :P