What is the bottleneck in my system. How do I get better quality out of Crysis..

I can play every new game I have found at ultra high at 1600x1050 resolution other then crysis. lol I can get smooth gameplay at 1600x1050 on all medium. I can tweek it alittle here and there to get a few things at high but have to turn other stuff to low. Medium is solid though. What is bottlenecking my system. I don't know a hell of a lot about computer hardware lol but i'm assuming it's my graphics card. Then again maybe it's the ram or cpu but I think those are powerful enough. Anyway I'm not sure what I would have to do but I'm looking for some suggestions if any. Here are my specs.

Asus M3N78 Pro Motherboard

AMD Athlon 64bit X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3.0ghz

4gb, 1066mhz Ram (expandable to 8gb i believe)

512 Nvidia GeForce 8800GT

Windows Vista 64bit Ultimate

Im suprised your not getting better performance outta that system maybe your graphics card is holding you back at that resolution could be a possible reason.

With my system i run crysis at max details, 1440x900(19" monitor), No AA nice and smooth.

Im suprised your not getting better performance outta that system maybe your graphics card is holding you back at that resolution could be a possible reason.

With my system i run crysis at max details, 1440x900(19" monitor), No AA nice and smooth.

Timbury

this ins't a bottleneck ur graphic card not power enough to play crysis on a high res with AA

its definitely the gpu. by my specs i can run the game settings on high (not very high) at 1440x900 and no aa and it still looks really really good.

Yeah i I'm now playing at1680x1050 with 4x. High settings on stuff expect shadows low, volumetric low, particle low and game effects on low. I don't like the over the top game effects anyway so that is a bonus. lol It does look much better now. I should also tell you that I'm playing the pre release demo too. So i'm sure certain stuff performance wise has been fixed. that may make a difference right there. Also i'm running the most current nvidia drivers. Also how does overclocking work. can i overclock my cpu and gpu with nothing more then the gpu and cpu fans. Otherwise I don't have anymore cooling right now. I need a hdd fan too. lol my sata drive gets really hot. I just don't know what to get when it comes to fans. lol

o.k. and is there anything for 100 and under that would be better for me right now?

i just checked newegg and im gonna say nope

o.k. and is there anything for 100 and under that would be better for me right now?

streetridaz

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

so what card would be the best buy for the cheapest amount possible that is more powerful then what I got.

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

joshuahaveron

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

Slig0

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

i don't know the first thing about upgrading the cpu and I wouldn't even know what I could successfully put into my motherboard. I don't know how all that stuff works. i mean do I just buy a cpu and plug it in? lol i'm totally clueless there. I would know how to stick a new gfx card in and some ram but it sounds like there really isn't much I can do other then putting in a better cpu huh. Can I overclock at all without adding a new cooling system. I don't even now what i got right now. lol someone else built the rig and I just got it. I know the cpu has a fat fan on it with a big old heatsink lol and then just the gpu stock fan. i don't know if I would need more cooling or something. I mean the system doesn't even get hot other then the hdd. I need a fan for that. lol

Yes... No voltage increase by the way. But don't think it's just a BIOS button you have to push. On my motherboard, over 2.85 would not even boot. One day, I settled down sad, set it to 2.8, gone to computer properties to check did it apply the OC, and voila. The system was running stably at 3.36. At first I thought it was a bug. Then I got CPU-Z andit also reported this. The trick is to set the motherboard performance boost to EXTREME. To hell, these Intel chips really OC like hell. It adds like 2x times frequency. 280x10+280x2=2800+560=3360. Later I added a little more overclock and achieved an amazing stable 1GHz OC. Gigabyte boards rule.

No OC'ing of RAM or video and no voltage increase on CPU or anything. Just CPU overclock. Windows Vista 32-bit, 4GB RAM and a Gigabyte motherboard I can't remember... But hey, Phenom II 955 smokes my last rig.

i don't know the first thing about upgrading the cpu and I wouldn't even know what I could successfully put into my motherboard. I don't know how all that stuff works. i mean do I just buy a cpu and plug it in? lol i'm totally clueless there. I would know how to stick a new gfx card in and some ram but it sounds like there really isn't much I can do other then putting in a better cpu huh. Can I overclock at all without adding a new cooling system. I don't even now what i got right now. lol someone else built the rig and I just got it. I know the cpu has a fat fan on it with a big old heatsink lol and then just the gpu stock fan. i don't know if I would need more cooling or something. I mean the system doesn't even get hot other then the hdd. I need a fan for that. lol

streetridaz

Yes... No voltage increase by the way. But don't think it's just a BIOS button you have to push. On my motherboard, over 2.85 would not even boot. One day, I settled down sad, set it to 2.8, gone to computer properties to check did it apply the OC, and voila. The system was running stably at 3.36. At first I thought it was a bug. Then I got CPU-Z andit also reported this. The trick is to set the motherboard performance boost to EXTREME. To hell, these Intel chips really OC like hell. It adds like 2x times frequency. 280x10+280x2=2800+560=3360. Later I added a little more overclock and achieved an amazing stable 1GHz OC. Gigabyte boards rule.

Slig0

Anyway, my new PII 955 would blow that oldy processor away even if set to 2MHz :D

Anyway, my new PII 955 would blow that oldy processor away even if set to 2MHz :D

Slig0

Heck you got it wrong. Phenom II's are in many things faster than I7's, but nothing will take Intel's monopolous crown away, not even AMD and it's new baby. Stupid people just fall for Intel's marketing and that's it... I mean, what can I say for a company that promotes it's processors artificial intelligence? Even a baboon knows that AI is game-related, not CPU... Heh...

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

Slig0

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

Oh, stop the bs. I wasn't happy with a heavily overclocked 9800gtx and an e8400 on high, never mind very high. I can't even play on Very high smoothly ay 1920x1080 with a GTX280. You are so full of it that its not even funny.

Heck you got it wrong. Phenom II's are in many things faster than I7's, but nothing will take Intel's monopolous crown away, not even AMD and it's new baby. Stupid people just fall for Intel's marketing and that's it... I mean, what can I say for a company that promotes it's processors artificial intelligence? Even a baboon knows that AI is game-related, not CPU... Heh...

Slig0

In which apps is a Ph2 faster than an i7 920? Sir you also have no clue what you are talking about. You can compare a Ph2 to a Yorkfield but not an i7, in strictly gaming there isn't much of a difference between the two but in no way is a Ph2 giving an i7 920 a run for it's money.

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

artiedeadat40

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

Oh, stop the bs. I wasn't happy with a heavily overclocked 9800gtx and an e8400 on high, never mind very high. I can't even play on Very high smoothly ay 1920x1080 with a GTX280. You are so full of it that its not even funny.

Maybe you. I could max out crysis, sorry to hear about you. Did I say it is giving a run for the money? No, it was me who corrected that statement. As for performance, PII outperforms the I7 in all games and in SOME software. Of course, I'm not talking about 800x600 at low, but at the highest possible setting. While PII will, for example, score 60FPS at both minimum and maximum, Intel will get 300 on minimum and 55~60 at maximum. Do you actually play at those settings and is the more FPS worth it? Stop the BS.

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

artiedeadat40

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

Oh, stop the bs. I wasn't happy with a heavily overclocked 9800gtx and an e8400 on high, never mind very high. I can't even play on Very high smoothly ay 1920x1080 with a GTX280. You are so full of it that its not even funny.

Sorry about that, maybe you should have gotten an AMD setup and graphics card. I max out with 1680x1050 8xAA with my 4890, and 24xCFAA in Multiplayer at smaller maps. This is, of ocurse, with a lot headache and finding the best drivers and software, but hey, it's worth it. GTX280-fail

I think you got what I said wrong, Their like a horse race Intel in front for abit then AMD gains the lead then looses only by a hair. From what Ive read and heard, The Phenom 2 940 are equal, i7 920 until they OC then its ahead, when the P2 OC's and gains the lead again depending. Both are great OC'ers.04dcarraher

Games don't need the bandwith that the i7 provides or even the raw horse power really, they don't need 8 threads either. Take a look at some Wprime or even SPI which my Q9650 spanks a Ph2 at with similar clock speeds btw. Cinebench is another good example. The Ph2 dosen't coldbug unlike a Core 2 or an i7 so it can hit 7ghz and performs well on HWbot but thats about it. I doubt anyone here owns a cpu pot so that point is null.

Well here are some benchy's Some things AMD does things as good or better and other things intel does better, So with all the strong and weak points they are both about equal.

Well here are some benchy's Some things AMD does things as good or better and other things intel does better, So with all the strong and weak points they are both about equal.

04dcarraher

Conclusions? Here:

Phenom II better in gaming (mostly)

I7 better in encoding and compressing

Phenom II lower power consumption

artiedeadat40=Barbara Streisand and dot :D

My multithreaded WinRAR score: 2281-very similar to the one in tests so the review is legit. Damn Intel fanboy BS.

Source: Extreme Overclocking

I think price vs performance the Ph2 is a better chip for gaming but it is not more powerful than an I7. Ive seen enough reviews and Toms Hardware is a joke. Why don't you guys post this flaming fanboy bs at a real tech forum? I7 is a server chip, I have no plan on buying an I7 and moving to a Ph2 setup really wouldn't be an upgrade for me. I can show you guys benches of a Yorkfield beating a Ph2 as well, does that make it a better chip all around?

PII=I7>Core2 and dot. No more talking.

PII=I7>Core2 and dot. No more talking.

Slig0

Thats not what I see here.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTY0NCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Need I go on? I can find more benches?

Also I would be willing to run my chip at 3.8ghz and my GTX280 up against your rig in any bench that you want.

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

There's no bottleneck there, just a GPU which isn't powerful enough. To get better fps out of crysis, you would need to replace your CPU and GPU> But for one game is it worth it?

Slig0

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

[QUOTE="artiedeadat40"]

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

Yes, there is. Have you owned that card to be professional in how the things work on it? I had a Core2Duo E4600 overclocked to 3.42, 4GB of RAM and 8800GT. With those specs I could easily max out Crysis at 1680x1050 all Very high with no AA. Butter smooth. So please, people, STOP TALKING S * * T WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

Slig0

Oh, stop the bs. I wasn't happy with a heavily overclocked 9800gtx and an e8400 on high, never mind very high. I can't even play on Very high smoothly ay 1920x1080 with a GTX280. You are so full of it that its not even funny.

Sorry about that, maybe you should have gotten an AMD setup and graphics card. I max out with 1680x1050 8xAA with my 4890, and 24xCFAA in Multiplayer at smaller maps. This is, of ocurse, with a lot headache and finding the best drivers and software, but hey, it's worth it. GTX280-fail

your so full of **** :lol: and if you haven't notice crysis was optimised for nvidia gpu's and intel cpu's you boot up the game and they flash up during the intro. and what makes you think a amd setup would have done better the intel e8400 destroyed the amd cpu's at the time much better clock for clock and higher OC potential. and the gtx280 being a fail card? if you didn't know is stronger then a 4890 at stock speeds.

Well, my curret 4890 doesn't play it that smooth either. It's a game optimized for nvidia.

Conclusions? Here:

Phenom II better in gaming (mostly)

I7 better in encoding and compressing

Phenom II lower power consumption

artiedeadat40=Barbara Streisand and dot :D

If look at the charts the only game it loses in is crysis and that is by 1fps or less while in l4d and farcry 2 it comes ahead of the phII by a decent margin so as far as i see the i7 is better for gaming and wins in encoding+compression. no denying the power usage clear win for amd.

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

PII=I7>Core2 and dot. No more talking.

Thats not what I see here.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTY0NCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Need I go on? I can find more benches?

Also I would be willing to run my chip at 3.8ghz and my GTX280 up against your rig in any bench that you want.

Well thats your issue 4x AA and Vista! Now people dont start ranting and raving about Vista is good when you have 4gb+, Even in Vista in dx 9 mode you loose an average 10fps vs Xp in Dx9 and in Direct X 10 you can almost cut your fps in half. Too the OP If you have Xp use as a dual boot to be able to get max performance for the game. But if you cant or wont just by playing in Dx9 and no AA can give a nice boost with what you have now. 04dcarraher

[QUOTE="artiedeadat40"]

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

PII=I7>Core2 and dot. No more talking.

04dcarraher

Thats not what I see here.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=1

or here

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTY0NCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Need I go on? I can find more benches?

Also I would be willing to run my chip at 3.8ghz and my GTX280 up against your rig in any bench that you want.

In games, you also won't see much difference between a Ph2 and a Yorkfield. A CORE i7 IS A WORKSTATION/SERVER CHIP, MOST DESKTOP APPLICATIONS DO NOT NEED THE TYPE OF BANDWITH THAT BLOOMFIELD OFFERS. I clearly said that a Ph2 is the way to go for most desktop applications for it's price but it is still not clearly better or worse than a Yorkfield and is in no way better than a Core i7. Most games do not require the cpu power that any of these chips provide, anyways.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Well thats your issue 4x AA and Vista! Now people dont start ranting and raving about Vista is good when you have 4gb+, Even in Vista in dx 9 mode you loose an average 10fps vs Xp in Dx9 and in Direct X 10 you can almost cut your fps in half. Too the OP If you have Xp use as a dual boot to be able to get max performance for the game. But if you cant or wont just by playing in Dx9 and no AA can give a nice boost with what you have now. Luminouslight

"In games, you also won't see much difference between a Ph2 and a Yorkfield. A CORE i7 IS A WORKSTATION/SERVER CHIP, MOST DESKTOP APPLICATIONS DO NOT NEED THE TYPE OF BANDWITH THAT BLOOMFIELD OFFERS. I clearly said that a Ph2 is the way to go for most desktop applications for it's price but it is still not clearly better or worse than a Yorkfield and is in no way better than a Core i7. Most games do not require the cpu power that any of these chips provide, anyways."

You got to add that info( clarify) in your statements excalty why. Because it was portraiting that you weresaying they were miles ahead. We all need to explain ourselfs better :P

wow you know what made a huge difference. i got the game and not just the demo. lol the retail game has been optimized for sure, i'm running smooth as can be at all high except shadows medium and game effects low. I don't like all the game effects anyway which works out for me. I'm at 1680x1050 with x2aa. love it looks awsome. I every single thing at very high with same resolution and no aa but it's just not smooth enough. i would estimate around 15-20 fps. Some would play it like that i'm sure but it irritates me too much when it's not totally smooth. Crazy how big a difference it made to get the patches and have it running clean. the pre release demo surely isn't optimized like the whole game is.