whats a good turn based tactics rpg game for pc???????

:Dwell here's the deal. I loved final fantasy tactics/front mission

there are my top 2 games ever.

disgaea looks to kiddy for me.:evil: i wish front mission 5 would come out in englick

but looks like it never will .....but my big Question is if there is any turn based rpg's like front mission or ff tactics on pc

I,ve heard of x-com and jadded something but i can't find them any where they must be old .so like some one give me the tactics scoop plz....and if any one knows any on psx, ps2 or xbox/360 or coming out soon ...tell me:question:

thanks people I'll do some lookin. is there any thing new or kind of new like made in the 2000's ....or some thing in the making

                                                thanks Van

temple of elemental evil is a game that, for whatever reason, i keep playing. it's got very good turn based combat, and i think this is why i use it. the tactics involved, flanking, etc . . . fun. the bad things i find are that the level cap is 10th, and that the gui isn't completely intuiative. it is dated and old, and doing some things that are normal in some games are hard in this game. (shopping for instance sucks) if you pick up a new character to join your party then they start at 1st level. regardless of how good you are, as a team, or what level you are, new guys almost always start off at this stupid level. (save for some npc's)

read the faqs on this website writen by fans of the game to get more insight on it.

X com is good, although it is an old game. X com terror from the deep (Xcom TFTD) is good too, but a little harder than X com.

For non-rpg, Panzer General II is great, and can be bought for a bargain (it's older too, but not as ancient as x com). It strikes just the right gameplay balance.