Whats the Point in having an AMP and Reciever??

The amp is nothing more than a device to power the speakers. The receiver decodes signals from devices, such as DVD players etc, and tells the amp what to do.

AV recievers have the amp and receiver built into a single unit where as some setups have the amp and recivers sepaerate. There are reasons for this which I wont go into, but for true audiophiles the seperate amp and receiver is reguarded as the option for best possible results, usually in stereo only setups that are used mainly for music.

I have the Onkyo 875 BTW, and the Onky's are real performers. The sound from mine is stunning, especially when gaming and watching films, which is what AV amps are best at.

I cannot necesarily but heads with the opinion that for a true quality audio experience that one should get a seperate amp, but in my opinion as long as you have a good receiver, in my personal opinion the sound quality will be just as good, especially if you have smaller speakers where needing alot of extra power isnt much of a priority anyway.

I cannot necesarily but heads with the opinion that for a true quality audio experience that one should get a seperate amp, but in my opinion as long as you have a good receiver, in my personal opinion the sound quality will be just as good, especially if you have smaller speakers where needing alot of extra power isnt much of a priority anyway.

Dirk13

Sats speakers are a doddle to power but when it comes to music they dont even come close to what you can get from a proper pair of full range loudspeakers. I know I upgraded form a Bose system with sats to what I have now, which is an Onkyo 875 AVR with Monitor Audio Radius speakers.

The Idea with seperate amps and receivers is that you can mix and match components to get the best sound for your ears, and everyones are different. Also by having your amp and receiver seperate the 2 devices dont interferre with each other, isolating your components gives the best possible results.

AVR's are very good and the sound mine produces is excellent, but if your a real music buff and dont want the 5.1 etc, then pound for pound a stereo amp will outperform an AVR of equal price.

BTW, my receiver can Bi-amp, all the Onkyo's are capable of this, just one more reason why they rock.

BTW, my receiver can Bi-amp, all the Onkyo's are capable of this, just one more reason why they rock.

the1stmoonfly

[QUOTE="Dirk13"]

I cannot necesarily but heads with the opinion that for a true quality audio experience that one should get a seperate amp, but in my opinion as long as you have a good receiver, in my personal opinion the sound quality will be just as good, especially if you have smaller speakers where needing alot of extra power isnt much of a priority anyway.

dgbiker1

eh, my brother owns a pair of B&W towers and they are hooked up to a Sony AVR (a brand many Audiophiles apparently poopoo) and they not only work, but they work well.

I was interested in the Onkyo 605 series but I hear a lot about AMPs as well. What would be the puprose of having both an AMP and a reciever? F1Lengend

Please tell me what your main goal is, what type of buget you have and room size. It appears that everyone has advice but we really dont know exactly what your looking for. You can run an amp but you'll be wasting your time hooking it up to a an AVR. Give us a little more input.

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]I was interested in the Onkyo 605 series but I hear a lot about AMPs as well. What would be the puprose of having both an AMP and a reciever? ArcticCat500

Please tell me what your main goal is, what type of buget you have and room size. It appears that everyone has advice but we really dont know exactly what your looking for. You can run an amp but you'll be wasting your time hooking it up to a an AVR. Give us a little more input.

AVR's have the amplifier built in with the receiver (as do almost all budget systems) but you can purchase amps and recievers as seperate units and connect them up yourself should you wish to.

well the best things amps are good for, like cars, is to poer your sub. Unless you by a powered sub, they are good to get maximum bass potential. espcially if you using 7.1 for PS3(sorry 360 fans) that's a lot of speakers to power, unless you have a good reciever.Urizen5

This doesnt make sense, amps power everything and all speakers need some kind of amplification to drive them. The Bass frequencies are the hardest for an amp to produce thats all, which is why we see sub woofers with their own amps built in (called active subs. Subs running off your main amp are called passive subs and arent as powerful, plus this drains power from your normal speakers). All audio devices have some kind of amp powering the sound, just on varying levels.

Receivers do not power your speakers at all and are incapable of this, they're just a computer basically, moving signals around. You can buy 7.1 amps and receivers (or AVRs) quite cheaply but the more you spend the better the results will be and the better speakers thay can power.

^^^^^^

you get more for your money by choosing Onkyo instead of Rotel. Sorry but Onkyo is just better :D

The onkyo 605 is an amplifier/receiver/tuner all built into 1 box. The receiver part of it is the sound processor, in fact its got more than anything else at its price (same as with the 875 model which I have, and thats why I bought it) It's 7.1 capable as well as being able to power a further 2 speakers for another room. Its THX Ultra certified, functions as an upscaler and its 2 HDMI inputs are HDMI version 1.3 (which is the latest). It also has built in neural THX to simulate dolby digital from a stereo signal and is compatable with 6.1 and THX's nueral 6.1. It also has built in Audessey auto setup and the AVR comes complete with a setup mic for auto installation. Its also capable of HD sound (better than 5.1 digital and cds/dvds) and the upscaler uses the reon processor found in high end BR and HD DVD players. If (also like me) you have an HDMI remote control compatable HD TV, when you turn your tv on, it can be set so your amp comes on and of with it at the same time without you having to press anything, good if you have loads of remotes that are a pain to have lying around.

In fact here is everything you need to know reguarding specs. Click each Logo for more info.

DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus Decoding

HDMI (v. 1.3a) Audio and Video Processing

HDTV-Capable HDMI (2 Inputs and 1 Output) and Component Video (50 MHz) Switching (3 Inputs and 1 Output)

HDMI and Component Video Upconversion

Bi-Amping Capability for Enhanced Musicality and Power

Audyssey 2EQTM to Correct Room Acoustic Problems and to Calibrate Speakers

Onkyo RIHD for System Control

Compatible with RI (Remote Interactive) Dock for the iPod Audio Features

140 W/Ch Minimum into 6 Ω, 1 kHz, IEC (1 Channel Driven)

DTS®-ESTM Discrete/Matrix, DTS® Neo:6, DTS® 96/24, Dolby® Digital EXTM, Dolby® Pro Logic IIx

H.C.P.S. (High Current Power Supply) Massive High Power Transformer

192 kHz/24-Bit DACs for All Channels

WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology)

Advanced 32-Bit Processing DSP Chip

5 Digital Inputs (3 Optical/2 Coaxial)

Subwoofer Pre Out

CinemaFILTERTM

A-Form Listening Mode Memory

Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry

Non-Scaling Configuration

Tone Control (Bass/Treble) for Front L/R Channels

Color-Coded 7.1-Multichannel Inputs

Independent Crossover Adjustment for F/C/S/SB (40/50/60/80/100/120/150/200 Hz)

Double Bass Function Video Features

5 S-Video Inputs and 2 Outputs

5 Composite Video Inputs and 2 Outputs

Front Panel Auxiliary Input (for Camcorders, Game Consoles, etc.) Other Features

Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Line-Out for Playback in Another Room (Separate Source)

Deinterlacer with Faroudja DCDi EdgeTM (Directional Correlational Deinterlacing) Technology

Pure Audio Mode

Color-Coded Dual Banana Plug-Compatible Speaker Posts

A/V Synchronization Function (Up to 100 ms in 10 ms Steps)

40 FM/AM Radio Presets

RDS (PS/RT/PTY/TP)

5 A/V Inputs and 1 Output

2 Audio Inputs and 1 Output

Late Night Mode (High/Low/Off)

Digital Upsampling

Display Dimmer (3 Modes)

Headphone Jack

Sleep Timer (via Remote)

Battery-Free Memory Backup

Aluminum Front Panel

You cant go wrong with this AVR. The only thing the Onky's lack is networking, which can be solved with an xbox or ps3, which I'm sure you own at least one of.

Hope that answers all your questions.;)

^^^^^^

you get more for your money by choosing Onkyo instead of Rotel. Sorry but Onkyo is just better :D

the1stmoonfly

LMFAO, Dude, seriously are you for real? Oynkyo better then Rotel? You truly have no idea.

Thanks for all your help guys, that reciever sure is heavy with features :)

Hope that answers all your questions.;)

the1stmoonfly

Lol that brings way more questions than answers!! LOOL. But seriously, one question I have is will HD sound (Dolby TRUEHD/ DTS HD) be noticable on all speakers? I mean, speakers that are not really high quality? Also, since subs are a mono source, will this reciever show a noticable improvement with my sub? Its a Klipsch 10". If it all goes well, I hope to buy this one soon.

The amp is nothing more than a device to power the speakers. The receiver decodes signals from devices, such as DVD players etc, and tells the amp what to do.

AV recievers have the amp and receiver built into a single unit where as some setups have the amp and recivers sepaerate. There are reasons for this which I wont go into, but for true audiophiles the seperate amp and receiver is reguarded as the option for best possible results, usually in stereo only setups that are used mainly for music.

I have the Onkyo 875 BTW, and the Onky's are real performers. The sound from mine is stunning, especially when gaming and watching films, which is what AV amps are best at.

the1stmoonfly

actually there are a lot of people who use seperates for home theater, not just music. sound processors are out now that support 7.1 HDMI sound/video and even some have built in up converters. To answer TCs question, when you get sperates you are basically getting a divided receiver. what does benfits are there to this?? well for one you have a lot more room to work with as you don't have to worry about cramming the amp and receiver into one package. that makes more room for quality parts to be put into the amp/processor and better overall architecture. look up pictures of anthem statement D2 and P5 and ask me how you could fit all of that into a receiver without heat issues.

[QUOTE="Dirk13"]

I cannot necesarily but heads with the opinion that for a true quality audio experience that one should get a seperate amp, but in my opinion as long as you have a good receiver, in my personal opinion the sound quality will be just as good, especially if you have smaller speakers where needing alot of extra power isnt much of a priority anyway.

dgbiker1

speakers that have 4 bannana plugs don't have to be bi-amped. there are people who have said there's no difference and others who say there is...............it's all subjective.

Thanks for all your help guys, that reciever sure is heavy with features :)

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

Hope that answers all your questions.;)

F1Lengend

Lol that brings way more questions than answers!! LOOL. But seriously, one question I have is will HD sound (Dolby TRUEHD/ DTS HD) be noticable on all speakers? I mean, speakers that are not really high quality? Also, since subs are a mono source, will this reciever show a noticable improvement with my sub? Its a Klipsch 10". If it all goes well, I hope to buy this one soon.

actually there are a lot of people who use seperates for home theater, not just music. sound processors are out now that support 7.1 HDMI sound/video and even some have built in up converters. To answer TCs question, when you get sperates you are basically getting a divided receiver. what does benfits are there to this?? well for one you have a lot more room to work with as you don't have to worry about cramming the amp and receiver into one package. that makes more room for quality parts to be put into the amp/processor and better overall architecture. look up pictures of anthem statement D2 and P5 and ask me how you could fit all of that into a receiver without heat issues. firebreathing

I know this, I merely stated that generaly speaking, its the more musically orientated listeners that go for seperates. There are those that use music and HT 50/50 and that have seperate amp and receivers. Another major benefit of this types of setup is when upgrading because you can target your entire budget at a single component.

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

^^^^^^

you get more for your money by choosing Onkyo instead of Rotel. Sorry but Onkyo is just better :D

ArcticCat500

LMFAO, Dude, seriously are you for real? Oynkyo better then Rotel? You truly have no idea.

Do try not to take every commment so personally. Oh and BTW, my amp kills the Rotel amp in your link. Mine massively outspecs the Rotel equivelent. If youl'd like me to show exactly where the differences are, I cant be bothered unless I really have to.:roll:

[QUOTE="ArcticCat500"][QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

^^^^^^

you get more for your money by choosing Onkyo instead of Rotel. Sorry but Onkyo is just better :D

the1stmoonfly

LMFAO, Dude, seriously are you for real? Oynkyo better then Rotel? You truly have no idea.

Do try not to take every commment so personally. Oh and BTW, my amp kills the Rotel amp in your link. Mine massively outspecs the Rotel equivelent. If youl'd like me to show exactly where the differences are, I cant be bothered unless I really have to.:roll:

1st of all SFB, I didnt link a specific model of Rotel nor did I suggest he purchased one or an Outlaw for that matter, I provided some reading material so that he may get an ideal of seperate componants, ie:amps,processor,receivers ect. and the duties they perform. Also I never discredited Onkyo, I ran an Onkyo 5.1 AVR back in the early 90's way before digital was around and Pro Logic was on top, the unit still serves an awsome garage AVR and will most likely live out it's exsistance there.

So Please dont YOU take things so personal because someone may not share the same views, Im a firm beleiver that Onkyo is one the finest manufactures of A/V equipment, take a look at the Integra Series, Hell my Onkyo Integra DX-C909 6 disc changer is in the audio cabinet in my living room as we speak, that was purchased in the early 90's Before the Integra line ventured out on it's own High End voyage, it was part of the Onkyo name for thier higher priced units. http://www.integrahometheater.com/main_page.cfm heres whe you want step up from Onkyo.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

Thanks for all your help guys, that reciever sure is heavy with features :)

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

if he wanted to use high resolution audio I'd suggest gettin at least bookshelf speakers and ditch those home theater in a box speakers. It all depends on how much money you have to throw around though. Remeember to ask around avs forum if you do decdie to get better speakers as there are a lot of people there who know what they're talking about.

Hope that answers all your questions.;)

the1stmoonfly

Lol that brings way more questions than answers!! LOOL. But seriously, one question I have is will HD sound (Dolby TRUEHD/ DTS HD) be noticable on all speakers? I mean, speakers that are not really high quality? Also, since subs are a mono source, will this reciever show a noticable improvement with my sub? Its a Klipsch 10". If it all goes well, I hope to buy this one soon.

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"][QUOTE="ArcticCat500"][QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

^^^^^^

you get more for your money by choosing Onkyo instead of Rotel. Sorry but Onkyo is just better :D

ArcticCat500

LMFAO, Dude, seriously are you for real? Oynkyo better then Rotel? You truly have no idea.

Do try not to take every commment so personally. Oh and BTW, my amp kills the Rotel amp in your link. Mine massively outspecs the Rotel equivelent. If youl'd like me to show exactly where the differences are, I cant be bothered unless I really have to.:roll:

1st of all SFB, I didnt link a specific model of Rotel nor did I suggest he purchased one or an Outlaw for that matter, I provided some reading material so that he may get an ideal of seperate componants, ie:amps,processor,receivers ect. and the duties they perform. Also I never discredited Onkyo, I ran an Onkyo 5.1 AVR back in the early 90's way before digital was around and Pro Logic was on top, the unit still serves an awsome garage AVR and will most likely live out it's exsistance there.

So Please dont YOU take things so personal because someone may not share the same views, Im a firm beleiver that Onkyo is one the finest manufactures of A/V equipment, take a look at the Integra Series, Hell my Onkyo Integra DX-C909 6 disc changer is in the audio cabinet in my living room as we speak, that was purchased in the early 90's Before the Integra line ventured out on it's own High End voyage, it was part of the Onkyo name for thier higher priced units. http://www.integrahometheater.com/main_page.cfm heres whe you want step up from Onkyo.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the ride.

I never said you discredited Onkyo, nor did I say Rotel are bad, I merely pointed out that within the TC's budget, he wasnt going to get a Rotel amp/AVR that would be better than the Onkyo 605. You then decided to laugh in my face at the comment 'Onkyo are better than Rotel', in the context of available budget, so you tell me who's going off on one.

None of this really matters though since we were originally comparing Rotel and Onkyo, but for some reason you changed tact, tried to forget about Rotel and switched to the Integra series (which is Onkyo BTW:) ). We now possibly have 2 brands that are outperforming Rotel at this price level, both of which are basically Onkyo, well done.

Oh and TC, if your still following, its might be worth you knowing that the 606 model works with the Viera link for Pansonics tv's. This is basically a HDMI control function which allows things like simultaneous switching to stanby of you tv remote, and volume control via the tv. So you dont have to carry 2 remotes around ;)

Hmm interesting. ALthough:

a) I just ordered the 605 (hopefully it works out)

b) from what I understand, price is more, especially compared to the price I found the 605

c) I dont have a Panasonic...but maybe in the future (running Rear pro CRT)

d) ???

e) Profit

THanks guys this has been helpful. I would also like to add I went to my local 2001audiovideo and tested out the receiver (lol its 699 there) and it sounded...GREAT! Although, their speakers were phenomenal, but maybe in the future I can get them.

Still a good choice, Ive heard the 605 running with a Kef 2005.2 speaker package and it's a good combo. If style speakers are what your after then the Kef 'egg' range is well worth a look, the 3005SE is excellent. I've put a Monitor Audio R270 AV package (excluding the sub as I'm going to upgrade my speakers and get a sub of my choosing later) with mine and it rocks the house, and the floor standers look the buisiness ;).

Hope you enjoy your new system.

For crying out loud Artic. I said Onkyo CLAIM 200 watts per channel (It's even in the back of the manual and in the spec list on their homepage). Onkyo are known for being slightly misleading in this respect as their measuments are based on 1 channel driven (not 2 as you state). I also said that the 200 drops to about 140 all channels driven with some setups.

Their is one distributer in the UK a that informed me, that during their own independant test, the 875 pumped out 208 watts per channel with one speaker package. This wont be the case with all speakers but it is apparently possible. This is not from Onkyo, but an independant and trusted UK source. I'm currently looking into an SVS MTS package and I know it probably wont manage 200 watts per channel (with the front pair Bi-wired), but remember this is a THX Ultra 2 certified amp, so it has considerable power and never drops below the THX U2 requirment. Thats more than enough for any home.

I never claim to know best, if I'm unsure I say so, but when I am sure I also say so. Stop trying to correct my already correct information, I know what I bought.