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#51 domke13
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[QUOTE="codezer0"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

How the heck did Crysis hate get into this thread?

How can you call Crysis a average game when compared to every other shooter out there. It is a refreshing experience.

Angurvadal_88

Because other than the potential for beautiful graphics, the game doesn't have anything over what many existing FPS's already had. Take for example the physics setting in Crysis. Why is it that it is so bass ackward? A lot of the things that people rave on about Crysis for and what Crytek use as a selling point, can only be seen or done when you have a machine powerful enough to run this setting on High/Very High. Take for example, being able to "cut down trees with bullets." Soon as you try Medium for playability, you lose this ability, and the game starts to fall apart. This can already become a problem because you may see that your trees are still standing upright, but they may have been in a state where they'd been cut down. And apparently your A.I. enemies will still think that the trees are cut, and you stick out like a sore thumb, and thus they pelt your ass in bullets and grenades. Or play multiplayer like that. All the people lucky enough to have their game running with physics on High/Very High will be able to use this tactic to make those unable to run the game the same stick out like a sore thumb and basically light them up before the poorer gamers have a chance to even see who (or what) is hitting them. This kind of stupid move clearly screws the gameplay and just makes it look and feel like Crytek just went and took a **** on your face after sodomizing you with its hardware requirements.

This is where you fail my friend. This is where your argument falls flat onto its face.

Clearly you've never played Crysis MP - Gamers that are unable to run Very High/DX10 are restricted to DX9 servers, where trees are not destructible. This effectively eliminates the "tree cutting" advantage of higher-end gamers. There's also DX10 servers where trees are destructible.

I'm sorry.

But that doesnt discard the fact that Crysis is porly optimized game.

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#52 RayvinAzn
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Clearly you've never played Crysis MP - Gamers that are unable to run Very High/DX10 are restricted to DX9 servers, where trees are not destructible. This effectively eliminates the "tree cutting" advantage of higher-end gamers. There's also DX10 servers where trees are destructible.

I'm sorry.

Angurvadal_88

You can shoot trees down in DirectX 9 mode. Or my X1900XT is somehow capable of running DirectX 10 on Windows XP. You can decide which is more likely.

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#53 Spybot_9
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[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

How the heck did Crysis hate get into this thread?

How can you call Crysis a average game when compared to every other shooter out there. It is a refreshing experience.

codezer0

Because other than the potential for beautiful graphics, the game doesn't have anything over what many existing FPS's already had. Take for example the physics setting in Crysis. Why is it that it is so bass ackward? A lot of the things that people rave on about Crysis for and what Crytek use as a selling point, can only be seen or done when you have a machine powerful enough to run this setting on High/Very High. Take for example, being able to "cut down trees with bullets." Soon as you try Medium for playability, you lose this ability, and the game starts to fall apart. This can already become a problem because you may see that your trees are still standing upright, but they may have been in a state where they'd been cut down. And apparently your A.I. enemies will still think that the trees are cut, and you stick out like a sore thumb, and thus they pelt your ass in bullets and grenades. Or play multiplayer like that. All the people lucky enough to have their game running with physics on High/Very High will be able to use this tactic to make those unable to run the game the same stick out like a sore thumb and basically light them up before the poorer gamers have a chance to even see who (or what) is hitting them. This kind of stupid move clearly screws the gameplay and just makes it look and feel like Crytek just went and took a **** on your face after sodomizing you with its hardware requirements.

You can cut trees even in low physics.It has to do with the shader quality or object detail or something else.

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#54 matrixian
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What are you talking about? Crysis was optimized for *** for ATI and/or crossfire users. I have two HD4850s, and get the performance of an 8800GTX. if not, maybe SLIGHTLY higher. i turned off crossfire, exact same frame-rate.xid32

That's because you probably have a P45 mobo. You would get better performance in Crossfire with an X48.

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#55 codezer0
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You can cut trees even in low physics.It has to do with the shader quality or object detail or something else.

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Well, I can't for some reason, and I have the physics set on Medium. No tree cutting here. :(
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#56 Angurvadal_88
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[QUOTE="Angurvadal_88"]

Clearly you've never played Crysis MP - Gamers that are unable to run Very High/DX10 are restricted to DX9 servers, where trees are not destructible. This effectively eliminates the "tree cutting" advantage of higher-end gamers. There's also DX10 servers where trees are destructible.

I'm sorry.

RayvinAzn

You can shoot trees down in DirectX 9 mode. Or my X1900XT is somehow capable of running DirectX 10 on Windows XP. You can decide which is more likely.

In MP, no, you can't shoot down trees unless you're playing on a DX10 server.

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#57 Spybot_9
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[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

You can cut trees even in low physics.It has to do with the shader quality or object detail or something else.

codezer0

Well, I can't for some reason, and I have the physics set on Medium. No tree cutting here. :(

Are the other settings all on high??

And besides why dont you just overclock your CPU and put physics on high.Heck even at stock it should be fine.Run the crysis CPU benchmark changing physics settings while keeping all other settings constant to see whether your CPU is good enough or not.

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#58 codezer0
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[QUOTE="codezer0"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

You can cut trees even in low physics.It has to do with the shader quality or object detail or something else.

Spybot_9

Well, I can't for some reason, and I have the physics set on Medium. No tree cutting here. :(

Are the other settings all on high??

And besides why dont you just overclock your CPU and put physics on high.Heck even at stock it should be fine.Run the crysis CPU benchmark changing physics settings while keeping all other settings constant to see whether your CPU is good enough or not.

With the 163 driver, I could only run the demo everything on medium. No tree-cutting, and apparently the A.I. was still able to "see" me through the trees because I kept running through what looked like perfectly thick and hidden woods, only for them to yell out and call out my position, and then tossed a grenade at my face. With the newer 169 drivers, I am finally able to run the thing with a high preset at ~50fps. Not ideal, but a lot better than what I was getting. And playing with the physics setting, I couldn't really do any of the cool things you all brag that Crysis is supposed to be able to do at any setting other than High.
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#59 JP_Russell
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And playing with the physics setting, I couldn't really do any of the cool things you all brag that Crysis is supposed to be able to do at any setting other than High.codezer0

The way it's supposed to work is you have full physics interaction on medium and above (with more realistic and complex physics calculation capabilities the higher you go), while low doesn't allow you to do things like tear shacks apart with explosives and strength mode punches (can't remember if it doesn't allow trees to be cut or not), while also having the simplest physics calculations. Not sure why it's not working like that for you.

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#60 marcthpro
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only DX10 OR DX10 XP hack does allow cut tree if i remember.

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#61 codezer0
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only DX10 OR DX10 XP hack does allow cut tree if i remember.

marcthpro
I was able to start doing that when I was (finally!) able to run the game on High, and I didn't hack it.
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#62 marcthpro
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oh just the physic application is kinda hmmm lower then when it fall on soldier
or you have nvidia physics x compatible gpu
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#63 jecht290
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[QUOTE="h575309"]theres no single videocard that exists that can max crysis on very high at a good res... its not the cards fault the game is poorly optimized...JP_Russell

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

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#64 JP_Russell
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[QUOTE="JP_Russell"]

[QUOTE="h575309"]theres no single videocard that exists that can max crysis on very high at a good res... its not the cards fault the game is poorly optimized...jecht290

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

Explain.

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#65 marcthpro
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i found a new
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=588&pageid=7 The R700 Aka 4870x2 by 13-15th august it perform quite good but according the frame rate it won't defeat Sli 280gTX probabbly but gear near it ?
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#66 xid32
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[QUOTE="xid32"]What are you talking about? Crysis was optimized for *** for ATI and/or crossfire users. I have two HD4850s, and get the performance of an 8800GTX. if not, maybe SLIGHTLY higher. i turned off crossfire, exact same frame-rate.matrixian

That's because you probably have a P45 mobo. You would get better performance in Crossfire with an X48.

I have an ASUS rampage X48 mobo....Its probably because A) I was still using the 8.5/8.6 drivers and B) Crysis just doesnt work well with Crossfire.

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#67 karasill
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Expect refresher cards from both companies late this year or early next year, and completely new cards based on new architecture, presumably the "Geforce 380 GTX" or a "Radeon 5870", sometime late next year. And you're disapponted by the 4870?! That card gives you 2 or more times the performance of a Radeon 3870 for under $300. Getting a 4870x2 could run Crysis on very high no problem.
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#68 enraged_caveman
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ESL and sorry for nto think over 20 minuet to make the Structure Americans. instead of canadians. my bad !
but there so many post to reply and i have other thing to do i learn from english every single day. it will perfection like we perfect a skill in shooter game ;) ......
...... it take me only 20 second to read what i type ;) and read of you user so i type quick
if id take more time to think about STructure it would be better i guess
in a true wpm test i did 175 90% accuracy average : 145wpm. best 175wpm The World record shoudl be around 240wpm 100% accuracymarcthpro

This is a little offtrack from computer discussion but......

I dunno dude, you have the most post on this thread and makes the least sense out of all the people here. I'm not a native speaker and I type at about 60 WPM. In my opinion, typing accurately should include correct spelling and proper sentence structure. Most importantly, your audience should be able to understand what you're trying to say. Your sentences are like a bunch of words scrambled together. If I stack a crapload of bricks together, that don't make it a building, no matter how fast I do it. Therefore, I can't exactly call myself a builder can I?

Getting back on track.....

I think the HD 4870 X2 should be a nice little thing, but I would wait a little bit and not buy it on the day of release.

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#69 marcthpro
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my word are realy that bad ? i tough i think enough before post and found way to put them together all my word that are my thinking of something but new thinking come
since Apparently 280GTX = history of past. 4870x2 = the future.
if i make no sense ? where does i make no sense. sorry if i read fast and type fast. but your right i should maybe slow down a bit and think more ? but im trying to make you understand it i conver my French word into english word. and trying to get audience about stuff i have allot of common sense in computer building. when people ask me to build pc . 3 week ago i did help them
to think off i should visit those people who want to buy best-buy computer & brand-made computer like ibuypower
obviously you save like 500-1000$ From doing it your self :)

like in previous post people understood wut i mean by say
200$ DDR2 667mhz DDR2 on dell.com = 29.99$ on newegg.com for 800mhz you see what i mean ? but that pretty offtopic.
we are suposse to be talking about 4870x2 & Future of ati & nvidia
as it expect the next ati nvidia card There For it R700 The newest But unknown date for Lil dragon R800*
And confirmed Date apparently for GTX300 it suposse to release by : November 2009
if ati can releash something far better then 4870x2 before. summer 2009 they will gain incredible boost in gaming experiances and will go in favor of gamer as they will go X58 & X48. For Gamings instead of SLI chipset.

But Yet the R700? you know 4870x2. is about to release and in CF for 1100$ Will defeat 3-way sli 280GTX
according hardocp Review for like 300-400$ cheaper then 280GTX unless 280GTX become 300$ per Card

Oh yeah want more easy information benchmark time!
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-sli-triple-review-test/ Best Setup yet on market
that i could find benchmark about
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzMSw2LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Destruction of nvidia powerfullest video card Setup 3-way sli vs R700X2 CrossFire.
As you can see. in the test why no 3-way sli vs 4870x2 CF ?
to have a conclusion once for all who dominate the market of video card

and since nvidia as CLEARY SAID They won't releash someting higher then 280GTX BEFORE 2009 Q4
it mean nvidia as lost is power like did amd lost is power against intel. am i right ?

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#70 millerlight89
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my word are realy that bad ? i tough i thinked enough before post and found way to put them together all my word that are my thinking of someting but new thinking come
since Apprently 280GTX = history of past. 4870x2 = the future.
marcthpro

Dude i'm sorry but most of your posts do not make sense. You should stop and come back when you can be helpful :)

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#71 marcthpro
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i just Re-edit ? why can't you. wait that i done typing ? you are just too lazy to read ? Think off can you find what im talking about in 5 minute ? my friend on gamespot elann i made enough sense to help him build a pc :-/

if I truly made no sense why are you replying to what im saying now ? without even read it ?
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#72 millerlight89
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fskdjghuer iweagfiwt hsiyfwkhf8 hhfghdgfsi............. This is what it is like reading a post from you, well mabey not that bad, but you get the point. We dont want to sit here and try to decrypt your post friend we just want simple info.
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#73 marcthpro
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my previous info on bottom of page 7 Where information that are enough simple to understand.
fskdjghuer iweagfiwt hsiyfwkhf8 hhfghdgfs= not even make any sense. stop think ur cool :-/
Il explain you something 1 week ago strange ? but dell changed from 667mhz to 800mhz
last month the price & Week for inspiron 1000$ dell pc for 2GB of ram = 200$ 667mhz and for 4GB 400$ 667mhz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220279
2GB ? you buy twice 39x2 = 78+15%-89.7$ for 4GB instead of 400$
so my point of view. building a pc is alway 2x cheaper then buy from dell.com or alienware or hp or acers
and lot of people understands that part but.. Some didn't understand it ? conclusion they didn't read all the paragraph or someting similary ?
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#74 millerlight89
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Please stop using the dang equal sign in ever one of your sentences it is so stupid. This is not math it's english, something you need to learn ;)
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#75 marcthpro
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Please stop using the dang equal sign in ever one of your sentences it is so stupid. This is not math it's english, something you need to learn ;)millerlight89

it not english to go buy ur ram at Four hundred Bucks = 400$ at ? At dell.com ? see that english ?
instead of 83$ = 4GB 800mhz DDR2 premium Quality :P
elann my friend on gamespot first tough he could buy from dell.com he asked me for hour and hour if it was expensive
and he learn that dell.com are evil people and he build is pc is now overclocking is E8500 which is a feature that is locked on dell motherboard bios

go to my blog . see the New Contributions i did ? if that not information revelant that show that ATI Is leading market ?
Benchmark is a universal information forever all user can read it but take note of the motherboard chipset like if if it P35 ? or X48. Sli 780 or Sli 790i ultra when performing the Tests The cpu & rams
showing that 4870x2 like said on previous page that you replied as soon as the message was not even done editing. i was preview what I'm typing. since you want me to make the information easier. because you are not used to my Kind of information

so talking about nvidia to ati ?
i use nvidia you use nvidia according ur sig
do you think that the 280GTX Tri sli will still dominate market ? or 4870x2 CF according YOYO & other forum poster
Will overkill the 280GTX 3-way sli for less money
because not only it will use less wattage according review
it will be fully compatible with nehalem Bloomfield X58 Launch & all current ATI-intel motherboard from OEM re-sellers such as GIGAbyte & Asus sell them much less expensive for same performances as 790iultra with alot of nice feature and a more stable bios. according ati fans
Feature i mean by Like 100% japan made parts : dual gigabit lans : supreme FX II
easy CPu Level up
R.O.G & Other Feature similarly From Gigabytes