What would be the visual advantage of using DirectX 11?
millerlight89
Google is your friend. Besides we can't tell you ask we don't know how much work they are putting into it.
I don't need google for I know what it can do. However the certainty that it would automatically make the game better has to base on something more substantial than just wishful thinking or that just rendering in DirectX 11 would magically make the game look better.
Apparently you do since you are asking what dx11 can do.
millerlight89
WOW. I know what it can do. But can anyone of you say what can it or will it do for the game? You all want it so much yet NONE of you can state ONE DirectX 11 feature that would be implemented, can be implemented in Crysis 2. It also a HUGE assumption that it would make a difference when the fact of the matter is that it can LITERALLY make no visual changes to the game.
Apparently you do since you are asking what dx11 can do.
Pedro
WOW. I know what it can do. But can anyone of you say what can it or will it do for the game? You all want it so much yet NONE of you can state ONE DirectX 11 feature that would be implemented, can be implemented in Crysis 2. It also a HUGE assumption that it would make a difference when the fact of the matter is that it can LITERALLY make no visual changes to the game.
Dude, NO one knows what it'll do for the game except the devs. THEY know how striking the visual impact will be, NOT us. Like you said, we know what DX11 CAN do. But we won't know what it'll do for Crysis 2 until we see how well the devs pulled it off. So relax a little bit.
Dude, NO one knows what it'll do for the game except the devs. THEY know how striking the visual impact will be, NOT us. Like you said, we know what DX11 CAN do. But we won't know what it'll do for Crysis 2 until we see how well the devs pulled it off. So relax a little bit.fm_coyote
I am quite relax however, people have to realise that that DX 11 would not necessarily make the game better looking. It can simply support it without taking advantage of any of the DX 11 features.
[QUOTE="fm_coyote"] Dude, NO one knows what it'll do for the game except the devs. THEY know how striking the visual impact will be, NOT us. Like you said, we know what DX11 CAN do. But we won't know what it'll do for Crysis 2 until we see how well the devs pulled it off. So relax a little bit.Pedro
I am quite relax however, people have to realise that that DX 11 would not necessarily make the game better looking. It can simply support it without taking advantage of any of the DX 11 features.
KInda stupid for them to do that, the least they could do is create some direct compute shader so stuff like the SSAO would render faster.
[QUOTE="fm_coyote"] Dude, NO one knows what it'll do for the game except the devs. THEY know how striking the visual impact will be, NOT us. Like you said, we know what DX11 CAN do. But we won't know what it'll do for Crysis 2 until we see how well the devs pulled it off. So relax a little bit.Pedro
I am quite relax however, people have to realise that that DX 11 would not necessarily make the game better looking. It can simply support it without taking advantage of any of the DX 11 features.
Obviously DX11 is gonna make the game look better in parts.... maybe in lots of parts or maybe in small parts. I ain't buying it until it has DX11 support... it's DISGRACEFUL that they brought out the game without it.
And yeah, im hoping the DX 11 patch comes with better textures. I would LOOOVE if they released an HD texture pack like bioware did with DA2.
jettpack
There is no release date for it, Crytek hasn't said anything about it other than "we plan to release it", and both Crytek and nVidia have removed all mention of Crysis 2 being a DX11 game from their websites. At this point you should just assume that there's not going to be a DX11 patch, or even a DX10 patch for that matter. Crytek probably just lied about the DX11 patch to boost sales just like they lied about every other single thing regarding the PC version since the game was announced.
Also, keep in mind that even if a DX11 patch were released it would be unlikely to add anything truly significant to the graphics. Good DirectX implementation requires that a game be developed with that version in mind. The best we can realistically hope for is some gimmicky effects like depth of field blur and possibly some very minor tesselation effects that probably won't even be noticeable.
And yeah, im hoping the DX 11 patch comes with better textures. I would LOOOVE if they released an HD texture pack like bioware did with DA2.
gameguy6700
There is no release date for it, Crytek hasn't said anything about it other than "we plan to release it", and both Crytek and nVidia have removed all mention of Crysis 2 being a DX11 game from their websites. At this point you should just assume that there's not going to be a DX11 patch, or even a DX10 patch for that matter. Crytek probably just lied about the DX11 patch to boost sales just like they lied about every other single thing regarding the PC version since the game was announced.
Also, keep in mind that even if a DX11 patch were released it would be unlikely to add anything truly significant to the graphics. Good DirectX implementation requires that a game be developed with that version in mind. The best we can realistically hope for is some gimmicky effects like depth of field blur and possibly some very minor tesselation effects that probably won't even be noticeable.
You have made me sad now :(
So I wasn't going to buy the game till the DX11 patch... should I play it?
If they implement DX11 into Crysis 2 in such a way like Metro 2033, then I could care less for Crysis 2 DX11. I've sat there looking at the screen comparing Metro 2033 DX9 and DX11 and I cannot tell the difference. The only difference is the huge loss in performance.
And yeah, im hoping the DX 11 patch comes with better textures. I would LOOOVE if they released an HD texture pack like bioware did with DA2.
FelipeInside
There is no release date for it, Crytek hasn't said anything about it other than "we plan to release it", and both Crytek and nVidia have removed all mention of Crysis 2 being a DX11 game from their websites. At this point you should just assume that there's not going to be a DX11 patch, or even a DX10 patch for that matter. Crytek probably just lied about the DX11 patch to boost sales just like they lied about every other single thing regarding the PC version since the game was announced.
Also, keep in mind that even if a DX11 patch were released it would be unlikely to add anything truly significant to the graphics. Good DirectX implementation requires that a game be developed with that version in mind. The best we can realistically hope for is some gimmicky effects like depth of field blur and possibly some very minor tesselation effects that probably won't even be noticeable.
You have made me sad now :(
So I wasn't going to buy the game till the DX11 patch... should I play it?
You should. It's a fun game and it still looks very good. I think DX11 was never going to happen. It was more like a marketing ploy to keep PC gamers interested. Imagine if they said Crysis 2 will not have DX11 at all and no release in the future? PC gamers would rage, hard. Giving PC gamers the small amount of hope that some of us may still have now is the only thing that's raking in PC sales for Crysis 2. In all honestly, I don't think DX11 is going to help Crysis 2 much at all. They're better off releasing a patch that gives advanced graphics options for PC gamers, and give us something to get rid of those unsightly jaggies. I'll take that over DX11 any day of the week at this point. I wouldn't hold my breath. By the time DX11 comes out, you would have probably moved on already. Go play some other games, and wait for mods.
If they implement DX11 into Crysis 2 in such a way like Metro 2033, then I could care less for Crysis 2 DX11. I've sat there looking at the screen comparing Metro 2033 DX9 and DX11 and I cannot tell the difference. The only difference is the huge loss in performance.Elann2008
Apart from tessellation the main purpose of DX11 is optimization. Some devs just take this as they can use absurd quality shaders with the directcompute shaders. Some games that use it well like STALKER CoP will actually perform faster on DX11(without tessellation) than 10.1 while still using fancy stuff like contact hardening shadows and HDAO.
Yeah, if that's true it really pisses me off. Chances are though that we'll be able to mod/hack around it. The original Crysis, for example, could be forced to use all the DX10 features in DX9 via a simple edit to the config files. Even assuming we can't use a config edit for this, it will likely work by just examining the ID of your GPU (as evidenced by the fact that it's going to be specific enough to look for a GTX580 or GTX590), which is something that can be easily faked with a hacked DirectX .dll file (some GPU users had to use such a method to get decent performance in Fallout NV).
[QUOTE="fm_coyote"] Dude, NO one knows what it'll do for the game except the devs. THEY know how striking the visual impact will be, NOT us. Like you said, we know what DX11 CAN do. But we won't know what it'll do for Crysis 2 until we see how well the devs pulled it off. So relax a little bit.FelipeInside
I am quite relax however, people have to realise that that DX 11 would not necessarily make the game better looking. It can simply support it without taking advantage of any of the DX 11 features.
Obviously DX11 is gonna make the game look better in parts.... maybe in lots of parts or maybe in small parts. I ain't buying it until it has DX11 support... it's DISGRACEFUL that they brought out the game without it. I agree with you, I haven't bought it either, and I wont till I see the DX11 patch. All Im saying is, badgering people to say what DX11 will DO for crysis, when really, NO one knows till we see it, is useless.
I ain't doing it for graphics Dx11 as q patch add on isn't going to do much I'm doing it cause that's what they promised, and a game of that calibre to use a directx from so many years ago is truly unbelievable
Hey! i heard the DX11 support patch was supposed to happen SOON. anybody know when that is?
jettpack
With all those folks buying it and getting EA their money why would they bother with the patch ? They have their money. You've got no leverage over them. Enjoy DX9 :)
Am I the only one that doesn't care what so ever about this? I mean sure it would give a nice boost, but it is not something that is going to make or break the game.. The game already looks great.
Am I the only one that doesn't care what so ever about this? I mean sure it would give a nice boost, but it is not something that is going to make or break the game.. The game already looks great.sSubZerOo
It's not about making the game look better, or breaking/making the game. It's about dignity of a company that promised the platform that made them what they are something, and then never delivered...
Yeah, if that's true it really pisses me off. Chances are though that we'll be able to mod/hack around it. The original Crysis, for example, could be forced to use all the DX10 features in DX9 via a simple edit to the config files. Even assuming we can't use a config edit for this, it will likely work by just examining the ID of your GPU (as evidenced by the fact that it's going to be specific enough to look for a GTX580 or GTX590), which is something that can be easily faked with a hacked DirectX .dll file (some GPU users had to use such a method to get decent performance in Fallout NV).To delay the patch till after the GTX 590 is launched is one thing but to make it work only on a 580 and probably not on AMD cards is the dumbest thing ever.
And if the DX 11 features are something like the Crysis 1 DX 10 lies then they shouldn't even bother to release it.
Am I the only one that doesn't care what so ever about this? I mean sure it would give a nice boost, but it is not something that is going to make or break the game.. The game already looks great.sSubZerOo
Doesn't matter..they promised Directx11 support for this game and it would look very bad as a developing team to go againist that promise.
I want to play it but I guess I can always buy Homefront first....finish that and then buy Crysis
!!!!!!! SPOILER !!!!!!
On a side note: I'm nearly done with Dragon Age Origins? I've gathered all the allies and am on the quest in the main city where I have to rescue the Queen, but she double-crosses me. How many more hours? this game is neverending....
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]So what should I do guys... Buy it? Wait? I want to play it but I guess I can always buy Homefront first....finish that and then buy Crysis On a side note: I'm nearly done with Dragon Age Origins? I've gathered all the allies and am on the quest in the main city where I have to rescue the Queen, but she double-crosses me. How many more hours? this game is neverending.... First and foremost, you might want to "Spoiler Tag" that. Secondly, you should definitely grab up Crysis 2. I wouldn't wait around for DX11 patch. You could be old and gray by then. Vanilla Crysis 2 still looks great. With some tweaks in the configs, you can get it to look noticeably better. Of course, that's more of a preference on your part, but don't expect to be floored with tweaks. They just remove stuff like Bloom or Blur. That of course is entirely up to you. As you progress further into the campaign, the game looks incredibly better (post-human levels). The game starts out slow, so give it a chance. As far as Homefront goes, don't waste your money. Go with Crysis 2 instead. I bought it, beat it last week and I wish I never did. I'm glad I only paid half the price tag for it. Although I would have never paid $40+ for it anyways.
http://twitter.com/CRYTEK_TIAGO No doubt that DX11 is being worked on. And they seem to be trying to push tech as well. "Cooking some great DX11 tech bits for C2 fans, be patient guys. All I can say, is that we have 16 ms or more to have fun with pc hardware..."
I want to play it but I guess I can always buy Homefront first....finish that and then buy Crysis
!!!!!!! SPOILER !!!!!!
On a side note: I'm nearly done with Dragon Age Origins? I've gathered all the allies and am on the quest in the main city where I have to rescue the Queen, but she double-crosses me. How many more hours? this game is neverending....
!!!!!!! SPOILER !!!!!!
FelipeInside
Or you could wait for a steam sale, that way you won't feel ripped off if they never release the patch for DX11. I have a feeling thought they are going to cancel it and cite that they would rather focus their efforts on Crysis 3......... Console exclusive that is.....
I want to play it but I guess I can always buy Homefront first....finish that and then buy Crysis
!!!!!!! SPOILER !!!!!!
On a side note: I'm nearly done with Dragon Age Origins? I've gathered all the allies and am on the quest in the main city where I have to rescue the Queen, but she double-crosses me. How many more hours? this game is neverending....
!!!!!!! SPOILER !!!!!!
menes777
Or you could wait for a steam sale, that way you won't feel ripped off if they never release the patch for DX11. I have a feeling thought they are going to cancel it and cite that they would rather focus their efforts on Crysis 3......... Console exclusive that is.....
LOL. My plan of attack: - FINALLY finish Dragon Age Origins (does anyone know how long I have to go?) - Buy and beat HomeFront while waiting for DX11 patch (I know it has bad reviews but I want to play an invasion FPS) - Get Crysis when DX11 out and price is lower Good Plan? (play Dragon Age 2 eventually)
LOL. My plan of attack: - FINALLY finish Dragon Age Origins (does anyone know how long I have to go?) - Buy and beat HomeFront while waiting for DX11 patch (I know it has bad reviews but I want to play an invasion FPS) - Get Crysis when DX11 out and price is lower Good Plan? (play Dragon Age 2 eventually)FelipeInside
official announcement below: Cry-Tom : No patch was ever confirmed, I have no idea why this website even posted such information. This thread is locked just the same as the others for trying to spread inaccurate information. When there are any big announcements regarding Crysis 2 they will be posted on MyCrysis, if you read something about a patch for example, but don't see it on MyCrysis.com, then it isn't genuine. Here's the post since everyone want to see by themselves http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15962 GOOD NEWS ________ Cry-Tom: Patch 1.2 will be made available through Auto-download feature in the coming week Cry-Tiago: Cooking some great DX11 tech bits for C2 fans, be patient guys. All I can say, is that we have 16 ms or more to have fun with pc hardware... (Source Twitter Account) -----------------------------------------------What it means------------------------------------------------------ "milliseconds. It means that using the DX11 API, there's a huge overhead of unused compute time that gives the engineers the ability to add in more features, content, etc. It's great because it means that PC will have much more than consoles. It's horrible because that shows just how much consoles held back the PC version. Console developers fight tooth and nail just to scrounge an additional ms for anything. Basically, the video card takes time to preform the tonnes of computations to render out a single frame. With a millisecond being a unit of time, it goes to show you just how much a computer can do in that duration. The minimum spec for PC has the video card shelling out over 500 gigaflop/s and it's not even a DX11 card. If memory serves, the first DX11 cards came three generations later (9k series, 200 series, and arriving on the 300 series). According to the CE3 autopsy posted a couple of days ago, water ripple propogation took only .2 milliseconds on consoles. The 16 ms in comparison would be akin to adding water propogation 80 times and not having any hindrance on performance, we still have to wait and see how much they will cram in but yes it's a VERY VERY good thing. to give you an idea of it sun shadows(very demanding) take between 2-5ms. they are talking about a good chunk of overhead before damaging your current fps. the new engine is quite impressive so we will see just how far they go now that they are not having to cater to consoles. " http://www.overclock.net/video-game-news/975650-pcg-crysis-2-update-dx11-update-20.html
official announcement below: Cry-Tom : No patch was ever confirmed, I have no idea why this website even posted such information. This thread is locked just the same as the others for trying to spread inaccurate information. When there are any big announcements regarding Crysis 2 they will be posted on MyCrysis, if you read something about a patch for example, but don't see it on MyCrysis.com, then it isn't genuine. Here's the post since everyone want to see by themselves http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15962 GOOD NEWS ________ Cry-Tom: Patch 1.2 will be made available through Auto-download feature in the coming week Cry-Tiago: Cooking some great DX11 tech bits for C2 fans, be patient guys. All I can say, is that we have 16 ms or more to have fun with pc hardware... (Source Twitter Account) -----------------------------------------------What it means------------------------------------------------------ "milliseconds. It means that using the DX11 API, there's a huge overhead of unused compute time that gives the engineers the ability to add in more features, content, etc. It's great because it means that PC will have much more than consoles. It's horrible because that shows just how much consoles held back the PC version. Console developers fight tooth and nail just to scrounge an additional ms for anything. Basically, the video card takes time to preform the tonnes of computations to render out a single frame. With a millisecond being a unit of time, it goes to show you just how much a computer can do in that duration. The minimum spec for PC has the video card shelling out over 500 gigaflop/s and it's not even a DX11 card. If memory serves, the first DX11 cards came three generations later (9k series, 200 series, and arriving on the 300 series). According to the CE3 autopsy posted a couple of days ago, water ripple propogation took only .2 milliseconds on consoles. The 16 ms in comparison would be akin to adding water propogation 80 times and not having any hindrance on performance, we still have to wait and see how much they will cram in but yes it's a VERY VERY good thing. to give you an idea of it sun shadows(very demanding) take between 2-5ms. they are talking about a good chunk of overhead before damaging your current fps. the new engine is quite impressive so we will see just how far they go now that they are not having to cater to consoles. " http://www.overclock.net/video-game-news/975650-pcg-crysis-2-update-dx11-update-20.htmldarksusperia
That's where you have it wrong Crytek.
PC version should be left free to unleash it's maximum potential.... same as with consoles. No platform should "hold back" the other...
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
Baranga
Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...?
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
FelipeInside
Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...? Xbox version is the best looking game to date? Where did you hear that from? The PC version is still the best version.
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
Elann2008
Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...? Xbox version is the best looking game to date? Where did you hear that from? The PC version is still the best version. Best looking game on XBOX to date I meant....sorry for the confusion...
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
FelipeInside
Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...?
Yeah well you can imagine a lot of stuff, and it's counterproductive.
I think we can expect their DX11 patch to be at least comparable to the excellent x64 Far Cry patch.
But being forced to work under console limitations allowed some of the most impressive tech wizardry ever. People claimed that Crytek achieves great things only when they have a lot of brute force to work with. Now they proved they're just as capable when taking the opposite approach.
Seriously it's unbelievable what they achieved using only DX9.
Baranga
Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...?
Yeah well you can imagine a lot of stuff, and it's counterproductive.
I think we can expect their DX11 patch to be at least comparable to the excellent x64 Far Cry patch.
Might be counterproductive, but I am just expecting a company of the calibre of Crytek to at least use the latest technology...not a DirectX that came out 10 years ago or so....
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Although I agree with your statement (they say the XBOX version is the best looking game to date), I still feel PC gamers were left on the sidewalk. Imagine what they could have done with DX11...? Xbox version is the best looking game to date? Where did you hear that from? The PC version is still the best version. Best looking game on XBOX to date I meant....sorry for the confusion... I figured you meant to say that. Rock on. :)
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