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Poll Which RTX gpu will you buy? (41 votes)

RTX 2080 Ti 24%
RTX 2080 10%
RTX 2070 10%
RTX 2060 5%
RTX 2050 0%
none of the above 44%
Other 7%

there has not been an announcement of any plans to build a 2060 or 2050 but im including them just in case and based on the 10 series

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#1 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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None.

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I have preorders for the 2080 and 2080Ti. The reviews will determine which I keep, but price and 7nm coming may lean me to the 2080. But the 2080 needs to be a clear winner over the 1080Ti for that to happen.

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#3 rmpumper
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Need to see benchmarks first and retail pricing. Might get 2070 if it's any better than 1080Ti. Want to stick to single 8 pin GPU if possible. If RTX are as disappointing as they are shaping up to be, will wait for next gen as I'm mostly playing older games anyway so 970 is good for 1200p at the moment.

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#4  Edited By BassMan
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Probably none to be honest. The 2080 Ti is the only one I want and the price is ridiculous. So, unless the price drops substantially (unlikely), I am just going to enjoy my GTX 1080 Ti and upgrade when the 7nm cards hit.

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#5 pyro1245
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Probably none unless I change my mind

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#6 thehig1
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Think I'll be alright with my 970 for another 100 years

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#7 BassMan
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Think I'll be alright with my 970 for another 100 years

A little optimistic, but yeah, it is still a decent GPU.

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Probably a 2070, maybe a 2080. We'll see when the benchmarks come out.

I'm gaming on a GTX 980 right now that's five years old; it works fine, but I'm due for an upgrade. What I've seen, they're talking like 2080 being 40-70% faster than the 1080. Even if that's an exaggeration, it would still be a huge upgrade for me. I'm ready for the jump to 4K gaming.

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Probably none to be honest. The 2080 Ti is the only one I want and the price is ridiculous. So, unless the price drops substantially (unlikely), I am just going to enjoy my GTX 1080 Ti and upgrade when the 7nm cards hit.

When are the 7 nm cards coming, and why are they so much better? Genuine question.

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Maybe the RTX 2060 if the price is good. Otherwise if it's too expensive then I will stick to my GTX 1060 6GB

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#10  Edited By BassMan
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@mrbojangles25 said:

Probably a 2070, maybe a 2080. We'll see when the benchmarks come out.

I'm gaming on a GTX 980 right now that's five years old; it works fine, but I'm due for an upgrade. What I've seen, they're talking like 2080 being 40-70% faster than the 1080. Even if that's an exaggeration, it would still be a huge upgrade for me. I'm ready for the jump to 4K gaming.

@BassMan said:

Probably none to be honest. The 2080 Ti is the only one I want and the price is ridiculous. So, unless the price drops substantially (unlikely), I am just going to enjoy my GTX 1080 Ti and upgrade when the 7nm cards hit.

When are the 7 nm cards coming, and why are they so much better? Genuine question.

In regards to 7nm.... When you shrink the manufacturing process, everything becomes more efficient. Less power consumption, less heat, and you can add more transistors and cores to the chip design. So, you can achieve a lot more. The current Turing (RTX 20 series) is 16nm with refinements that they are marketing as 12nm. So, to go from 16nm to 7nm will most likely be a massive performance boost.

AMD is supposed to release their Navi series of GPUs in 2019 that will be 7nm. Nvidia likely won't be lagging far behind with the move to 7nm. I don't see this current Turing series having a long lifespan like Pascal (GTX 10 series). So, if people are skipping out on these 20 series cards, it shouldn't be that bad a wait for the next Nvidia GPUs to launch.

Of course I am saying this having a GTX 1080 Ti myself which is still a beast of a card. I wouldn't hesitate at all in your shoes to get a 2070 or higher. Like you said, it will be a big jump over the 980.

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#11 DaVillain  Moderator
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I have a GTX 1080Ti, I'm leaning towards on RTX 2080Ti but I won't buy it anytime soon. I'll get it whenever Cyberpunk 2077 release cause as of now, my 1080Ti is a hell of a card and it looks like I'm not missing much on RTX.

@BassMan said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Probably a 2070, maybe a 2080. We'll see when the benchmarks come out.

I'm gaming on a GTX 980 right now that's five years old; it works fine, but I'm due for an upgrade. What I've seen, they're talking like 2080 being 40-70% faster than the 1080. Even if that's an exaggeration, it would still be a huge upgrade for me. I'm ready for the jump to 4K gaming.

@BassMan said:

Probably none to be honest. The 2080 Ti is the only one I want and the price is ridiculous. So, unless the price drops substantially (unlikely), I am just going to enjoy my GTX 1080 Ti and upgrade when the 7nm cards hit.

When are the 7 nm cards coming, and why are they so much better? Genuine question.

In regards to 7nm.... When you shrink the manufacturing process, everything becomes more efficient. Less power consumption, less heat, and you can add more transistors and cores to the chip design. So, you can achieve a lot more. The current Turing (RTX 20 series) is 16nm with refinements that they are marketing as 12nm. So, to go from 16nm to 7nm will most likely be a massive performance boost.

AMD is supposed to release their Navi series of GPUs in 2019 that will be 7nm. Nvidia likely won't be lagging far behind with the move to 7nm. I don't see this current Turing series having a long lifespan like Pascal (GTX 10 series). So, if people are skipping out on these 20 series cards, it shouldn't be that bad a wait for the next Nvidia GPUs to launch.

Of course I am saying this having a GTX 1080 Ti myself which is still a beast of a card. I wouldn't hesitate at all in your shoes to get a 2070 or higher. Like you said, it will be a big jump over the 980.

Thanks for the explanation. I haven't look too deep into 7nm and wasn't sure if they are something to go by. About Navi, I thought Navi was supposed to be coming to PS5 hardware or so I heard? After reading about 7nm now, I might give AMD a second chance if they can really surprise us this time around. I don't like Nvidia but they are the only one's who have the high-end GPU I need but I really want AMD to start competing GPU market and not just Ryzen all the time.

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#12 dxmcat
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Debating buying a second 1080 once prices drop a lil more. Might try SLI for a bit but ultimately will upgrade from my 4790k next year and have two systems :D mATX & mITX

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None , will probably stay with my gtx 1080 for at least another 1-2 years.

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#14  Edited By BassMan
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@dxmcat said:

Debating buying a second 1080 once prices drop a lil more. Might try SLI for a bit but ultimately will upgrade from my 4790k next year and have two systems :D mATX & mITX

I would advise against the SLI setup. Nothing but frustration and disappointment awaits. Trust me, I know from experience. I would recommend selling your current GTX 1080 and putting it towards a RTX 2080 if you are seeking better performance. If you can find a used GTX 1080 Ti for cheap, that is another option as well.

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Nvidia pulling an intel.

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#16 dxmcat
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Hah. I said I'd try it but not the reason for buying another 1080. I'm going to be running 2 systems in the near future with one as a stream/travel box so, I win either way. The games I do play @ 4k, my OC 1080 can handle. I dont play FPS @ 4k because not even a 1080ti can blast them at 144+ fps. (nor do I have a 144hz 4k display).

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Probably none

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#18  Edited By BassMan
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I just got an email from Nvidia to pre-order RTX. LOL, not going to happen.

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@BassMan said:

I just got an email from Nvidia to pre-order RTX. LOL, not going to happen.

We all did.

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The pricing on these cards is ridiculous. Don't reward nVidia for their bad behavior.

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#21 horgen  Moderator
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GTX on 2060 and lower.

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@horgen said:

GTX on 2060 and lower.

this should satisfy those who don't care about ray tracing.

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#23 dxmcat
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I'm kinda annoyed the 2080 has the same amount of ram as the 1080 :(

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#24 horgen  Moderator
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@urbangamez said:
@horgen said:

GTX on 2060 and lower.

this should satisfy those who don't care about ray tracing.

Unless the performance is stellar or the price less than half of a 2070, get something in the 10x0 gen instead...

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I'm curious about the lower end chips, do they also come with parts dedicated for ray tracing? if so to what point if the top line model can barely run games at acceptable performance, rtx2060 looking to play the games at 720p?

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#26  Edited By urbangamez
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@horgen said:
@urbangamez said:
@horgen said:

GTX on 2060 and lower.

this should satisfy those who don't care about ray tracing.

Unless the performance is stellar or the price less than half of a 2070, get something in the 10x0 gen instead...

agreed. if price perf ratio on 20 series bad and have no interest in ray tracing, its far better to get a great deal on a 10 series card while stocks last.

@dxmcat said:

I'm kinda annoyed the 2080 has the same amount of ram as the 1080 :(

same, in some of the more modern games when settings are cranked up to extreme it shows that 8GB is not enough, time for 12GB and 16GB cards.

@howmakewood said:

I'm curious about the lower end chips, do they also come with parts dedicated for ray tracing? if so to what point if the top line model can barely run games at acceptable performance, rtx2060 looking to play the games at 720p?

just a guess on my part, but some people don't want or care, listening to them, about ray tracing so these lower cards would be for them I think.

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#27 dxmcat
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@urbangamez:

Yea BFV beta pushes about 6.9GB vram usage in 4k.

FFXV w/ 4k texture pack easily fills up all 8GB.

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#28 horgen  Moderator
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@urbangamez said:
@horgen said:
@urbangamez said:
@horgen said:

GTX on 2060 and lower.

this should satisfy those who don't care about ray tracing.

Unless the performance is stellar or the price less than half of a 2070, get something in the 10x0 gen instead...

agreed. if price perf ratio on 20 series bad and have no interest in ray tracing, its far better to get a great deal on a 10 series card while stocks last.

@dxmcat said:

I'm kinda annoyed the 2080 has the same amount of ram as the 1080 :(

same, in some of the more modern games when settings are cranked up to extreme it shows that 8GB is not enough, time for 12GB and 16GB cards.

@howmakewood said:

I'm curious about the lower end chips, do they also come with parts dedicated for ray tracing? if so to what point if the top line model can barely run games at acceptable performance, rtx2060 looking to play the games at 720p?

just a guess on my part, but some people don't want or care, listening to them, about ray tracing so these lower cards would be for them I think.

The price/performance ratio is way worse than on the 10X0 gen cards. Here the 2080Ti is some 80% above the 1080Ti in price. It isn't 80% better performance. Looks like my GTX980Ti will last another year.

As for the lower end chips @howmakewood the ray-tracing tech stops with RTX2070 most likely. If nVidia wish to sell volumes of 2060and below, the starting price can't be 399 or higher. That is to expensive. Speaking of expensive. The different 2080Ti models that have been launched for pre-order here differ vastly in price. Where the difference could be +1200 (roughly 120$) for a MSI lightning edition of a card which used to be the expensive one (along with EVGA with waterblock already installed), the 2080Ti models put that difference to shame. I see 3 000(roughly 300$) difference between cheapest and most expensive one. That's a damn high difference.

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Depending on the performance I will either go with a 2080 or a 2080 Ti... If the performance is bad on both for the price then I will stick with my 1080 Ti.

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#30  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Depending on the performance I will either go with a 2080 or a 2080 Ti... If the performance is bad on both for the price then I will stick with my 1080 Ti.

2080 is not an upgrade for you and 2080ti based on the price isnt worth it, wait for 7nm next year... 2080 vs cpu upgrade I would go cpu upgrade....

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@04dcarraher said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Depending on the performance I will either go with a 2080 or a 2080 Ti... If the performance is bad on both for the price then I will stick with my 1080 Ti.

2080 is not an upgrade for you and 2080ti based on the price isnt worth it, wait for 7nm next year

I know... Its just I am currently in the process of selling my PC including GPU and was planning on side grading to a GTX 2080 even if it performs the same as a 1080 Ti and if the performance is worth it I might jump on a Ti, just waiting for reviews.

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Gtx forever. High prince performance.

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@04dcarraher said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Depending on the performance I will either go with a 2080 or a 2080 Ti... If the performance is bad on both for the price then I will stick with my 1080 Ti.

2080 is not an upgrade for you and 2080ti based on the price isnt worth it, wait for 7nm next year... 2080 vs cpu upgrade I would go cpu upgrade....

Always something better coming if you're waiting.

I ended up buying the 2080 and a waterblock.

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@horgen: Welcome to the 1080 Ti club. Hehe :)

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#35  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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@BassMan said:

@horgen: Welcome to the 1080 Ti club. Hehe :)

A little above, a little less power use.

I wonder the waterblock layout compares to my 980Ti. I would like to keep my second card in there as a folding card. Of course I can go back to aircooling it... But I got liquid cooling because I wanted less fan noise.

Gonna redo a lot in my computer once I get the card. I got the aquaero 5LT controlling my fans. Changing the setup (and wiring) for controlling the fans. With the hope of running it more silently 50% the time. Maybe I will even get the corsair ML140 fans going as well. Atm they are gathering dust.

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I wonder how difficult it will be to remove the cooling option that Gigabyte has put on their RTX2080. The dual fan that nVidia has provided seemed to be a hazzle. I think it was mentioned it was 50++ screws to remove. I sincerely hope I misheard that number.

My current card is GTX 980Ti from gigabyte. Their windforce 3X, so basically an older version of the one they have put on the RTX. And without LED. Easy to remove... But after seeing the nVidia option, I got... well my hopes aren't high it will be that easy.

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@horgen: don't know, but I guess prolly not very difficult, looking at the exploded view 2080 windforce on the gigabyte site. but that's just a guess

edit: as you have pointed out before the real problem with the cards are the big jumps in price and the price perf ratio in rasterized games, so right now the 1080Ti looks great because all the games are rasterized, but I want to see what its gonna look like in performance when games are hybrid RT and windows 10 actually starts to support RT. congratulations on the 2080 if what nvidia is trying to do works, all those games that are presently used for benchmarks are going have to be replaced in the near future and we will see how people feel about the 1080Ti then. the 1080Ti is great card for its time but its time has passed.

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#38  Edited By BassMan
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@urbangamez said:

@horgen: don't know, but I guess prolly not very difficult, looking at the exploded view 2080 windforce on the gigabyte site. but that's just a guess

edit: as you have pointed out before the real problem with the cards are the big jumps in price and the price perf ratio in rasterized games, so right now the 1080Ti looks great because all the games are rasterized, but I want to see what its gonna look like in performance when games are hybrid RT and windows 10 actually starts to support RT. congratulations on the 2080 if what nvidia is trying to do works, all those games that are presently used for benchmarks are going have to be replaced in the near future and we will see how people feel about the 1080Ti then. the 1080Ti is great card for its time but its time has passed.

What do you mean when Win10 starts to support RT? The API's are already there. RT is useless at this stage though. Massive performance bottleneck and won't really be a viable upgrade until the next gen RTX cards or later. Nvidia fucked up. Guys like me with a GTX 1080 Ti have no upgrade path. RTX 2080 is a write off because performance is basically the same. RTX 2080 Ti is a write off because it is so damn expensive and disappointing gains. So, I am holding tight until I see a GPU that is actually worth it.

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#39  Edited By 04dcarraher
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What do you mean when Win10 starts to support RT? The API's are already there. RT is useless at this stage though. Massive performance bottleneck and won't really be a viable upgrade until the next gen RTX cards or later. Nvidia fucked up. Guys like me with a GTX 1080 Ti have no upgrade path. RTX 2080 is a write off because performance is basically the same. RTX 2080 Ti is a write off because it is so damn expensive and disappointing gains. So, I am holding tight until I see a GPU that is actually worth it.

Yep, Im not spending 800-900 for up to 30% performance boost nor 1100-1200 for up to 60% boost.... 2080ti is a 1080p RT card and will take the move to 7nm before we see any real gains over Pascal or real RT performance improvements . Now if 2000 series had same price points as last series there wouldn't be a straight up rip off.

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@horgen: don't know, but I guess prolly not very difficult, looking at the exploded view 2080 windforce on the gigabyte site. but that's just a guess

edit: as you have pointed out before the real problem with the cards are the big jumps in price and the price perf ratio in rasterized games, so right now the 1080Ti looks great because all the games are rasterized, but I want to see what its gonna look like in performance when games are hybrid RT and windows 10 actually starts to support RT. congratulations on the 2080 if what nvidia is trying to do works, all those games that are presently used for benchmarks are going have to be replaced in the near future and we will see how people feel about the 1080Ti then. the 1080Ti is great card for its time but its time has passed.

It looks easy there. Curious as to how much extra work the RGB adds to removing the cooler.

The newer cards are better at higher resolutions. Might seem like CPU is bottlenecking more and more.

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@04dcarraher said:
@BassMan said:

What do you mean when Win10 starts to support RT? The API's are already there. RT is useless at this stage though. Massive performance bottleneck and won't really be a viable upgrade until the next gen RTX cards or later. Nvidia fucked up. Guys like me with a GTX 1080 Ti have no upgrade path. RTX 2080 is a write off because performance is basically the same. RTX 2080 Ti is a write off because it is so damn expensive and disappointing gains. So, I am holding tight until I see a GPU that is actually worth it.

Yep, Im not spending 800-900 for up to 30% performance boost nor 1100-1200 for up to 60% boost.... 2080ti is a 1080p RT card and will take the move to 7nm before we see any real gains over Pascal or real RT performance improvements . Now if 2000 series had same price points as last series there wouldn't be a straight up rip off.

my understanding is that RT will be supported fully on the October windows 10 upgrade, MS has made it clear that the even though the watermark may be absent on the insiders fast ring, slow ring and skip ahead RS5 10 version it is not the final build and they are still code checking. all the devs who have participated with nvidia have also made it clear that they are still in the process of optimizing RT.

performance is similar in rasterized games, not hybrid RT games because there are no hybrid RT games. most reviewers with any integrity threw out demos that were provided for review because those are not games. Nvidia made it clear that they are no longer interested in the traditional way of measuring performance which is why they are choosing RTX ops as the new standard because they are pursuing the holy grail of gaming which is ray tracing.

in terms of cost I think most agree that the cost is too high, if the 2080 was the same price as a 1080Ti there would be no reason for anyone who is upgrading to buy a 1080Ti even if all one is planning to do is play hybrid games with RTX off, because with the 2080 at least you have options.

@horgen: hope not a lot of work with RGB, the last thing gamers need given the price of these things is trouble setting up their cards with their custom blocks. intel 9 series will be out soon cant wait for reviews that's gonna be another shocking price attack

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If new sli (nv link) trully is better than sli i might go full crazy and get 2 x 2080 ti.

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@pcmasterrace69 said:

If new sli (nv link) trully is better than sli i might go full crazy and get 2 x 2080 ti.

Sure you will bud. You are all about the potato rigs. You are not fooling anyone.

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@urbangamez: As much as I would like real time ray tracing to be a thing, it is still a ways off. That being said, they do have to start somewhere for adoption. It is just not ready for consumers. The price is prohibitive and the performance is not at an acceptable level for enthusiasts. Also, the ray tracing implementations are all very selective. No games are doing global illumination, reflections, and shadows at the same time. So yeah, I am not liking the taste of Nvidia's Kool-Aid.

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Probably none. My 1080ti does the job, and I'm using 1440p monitor and don't plan to get a 4k monitor any time soon. A 1080ti is good for that resolution for the foreseeable future.

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@BassMan: I havent yet invested a large amount of money in a build but that doesnt make it impossible to get a high end pc in the future.

I am honestly amazed by NVLink and its great potential. So far until now sli was meaningless since 2 x high end gpu would not gain enough gains for the price

But it NVlink trully is capable of performing so much better than traditional sli and crossfire (and if compatibility also improves) then I might be tempted to invest saved money in such a rig.

Simply because of my potato 1050 ti it doesnt mean I will never get a high end pc if it attracts my interest enough

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@pcmasterrace69: I am not sure where your enthusiasm for NVLink is coming from, but multi GPU support is generally shit. Here is a recent article you should read...

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3366-nvlink-benchmark-rtx-2080-ti-pcie-bandwidth-x16-vs-x8

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@BassMan said:

@urbangamez: As much as I would like real time ray tracing to be a thing, it is still a ways off. That being said, they do have to start somewhere for adoption. It is just not ready for consumers. The price is prohibitive and the performance is not at an acceptable level for enthusiasts. Also, the ray tracing implementations are all very selective. No games are doing global illumination, reflections, and shadows at the same time. So yeah, I am not liking the taste of Nvidia's Kool-Aid.

even with the selective nature its still an improvement. i'd rather have it than not.

i'll use approximate tech examples. TR the 2013 reboot, tress effects on lara's hair vs the hair on the other characters especially when she is at campsite watching the video playback its like playing two different games at the same time, one character looks realistic the others look like I don't even know. tech was such an improvement that playing games after that with unrealistic hair rendering is a downgrade I don't care how good the rest of the game looks.

Dishonored 2, karnaka port, the tessellated ocean vs the mountains in the distance, Prey 2017, the helicopter ride, buildings vs the mountains in the distance again, in each case some aspects are fairly accurate high detail and some low detail at 1080p its so obvious and if one is interested in these things I can only imagine that at 4K it must be even more glaring and jarring (I don't have 4K).

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@urbangamez said:

@horgen: hope not a lot of work with RGB, the last thing gamers need given the price of these things is trouble setting up their cards with their custom blocks. intel 9 series will be out soon cant wait for reviews that's gonna be another shocking price attack

When does a company with monopoly care about what the customers want?

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@BassMan said:

@urbangamez: As much as I would like real time ray tracing to be a thing, it is still a ways off. That being said, they do have to start somewhere for adoption. It is just not ready for consumers. The price is prohibitive and the performance is not at an acceptable level for enthusiasts. Also, the ray tracing implementations are all very selective. No games are doing global illumination, reflections, and shadows at the same time. So yeah, I am not liking the taste of Nvidia's Kool-Aid.

For me, the RTX2080 is still a huge upgrade in performance. It's really not suitable for people with 1070Ti/1080 or above.