Who owns a MAC?

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Obviously he meant you weren't doing anything complicated.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] So what constitutes "doing something complicated" then?kraken2109

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Obviously he meant you weren't doing anything complicated.

Toxic-Seahorse

My wife owns a macbook pro... and i hate it. It was unreasonably expensive, it's surprisingly slow, and unreliable for her job and my entertainment.

She likes the gestures, but i'm certain her next laptop will be windows! :x

As for myslef, i've always been a windows user!

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] I think they mean something that actually challenges the computer. Stuff that actually uses the CPU and GPU extensively.

clyde46

nah bro

I video edit on my PC... seems to get the job done.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] More likely networking/servers etcGummiRaccoon

nah bro

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

The pain in the ass part of working on it is that I absolutely hate MS Office, and I can't use the Mac office stuff on my Gaming PC.  I guess I could try Open Office, but why bother when I can just work on my laptop.  :P  Lol.

jun_aka_pekto

MS makes MS Office for the Mac. I haven't seen a problem yet working with files between the Windows and Mac versions.

I don't like the MS Office programs.

I like the ones that Apple sells, they are called Pages and Numbers.  Much less bloated.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

The pain in the ass part of working on it is that I absolutely hate MS Office, and I can't use the Mac office stuff on my Gaming PC.  I guess I could try Open Office, but why bother when I can just work on my laptop.  :P  Lol.

FaustArp

MS makes MS Office for the Mac. I haven't seen a problem yet working with files between the Windows and Mac versions.

I don't like the MS Office programs.

I like the ones that Apple sells, they are called Pages and Numbers.  Much less bloated.

I have Windows; but I often have to deal with Mac's in my job (I work as an IT technician). I would say the basic use of a Mac is easier than Windows, but when it comes to problems, I have so far had quite a few more serious ones with Mac's than Windows. This is obviously just my experiences though.

_Matt_

I find that hard to belv...

I've spent a few years repairing mac and pc problems including repairing phones, tablets and hardware.

It's extremely rare for the mac software to mess up compared to windows, if anything fails on the mac its going to be the hardware which is normal. On the software side you'd have to actually try messing up your mac. Windows on the other hand could be messed up in the first week of use by the casual user.

For the normal user Macs are amazing, for the advance user they're a limitation.
 

Heck even the mac server is MUCH easier to setup than a windows server.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

I have Windows; but I often have to deal with Mac's in my job (I work as an IT technician). I would say the basic use of a Mac is easier than Windows, but when it comes to problems, I have so far had quite a few more serious ones with Mac's than Windows. This is obviously just my experiences though.

zaku101

I find that hard to belv...

I've spent a few years repairing mac and pc problems including repairing phones, tablets and hardware.

It's extremely rare for the mac software to mess up compared to windows, if anything fails on the mac its going to be the hardware which is normal. On the software side you'd have to actually try messing up your mac. Windows on the other hand could be messed up in the first week of use by the casual user.

For the normal user Macs are amazing, for the advance user they're a limitation.
 

Heck even the mac server is MUCH easier to setup than a windows server.

As an advanced Mac user and admin, I can say safely that your whole post is wrong. 

We get equally as many desktop support tickets for macs and windows PCs, while we only have half as many Macs.  

The problems that macs have are much less straight forward to fix than PCs.  The macs are not easier for the users to use, they like them because they are trendy.

OSX 10.8 has a bug that will crash your application just by typing a few short characters.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with VNC and windows.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with powerPC apps without any documentation from apple, goodbye rosetta stone, we hardly knew you.

There was a recent printing bug that would crash your application any time you tried to change any printing options from word.

good luck getting macs to seemlessly use account tracking on a konica printer.

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

MS makes MS Office for the Mac. I haven't seen a problem yet working with files between the Windows and Mac versions.

kraken2109

I don't like the MS Office programs.

I like the ones that Apple sells, they are called Pages and Numbers.  Much less bloated.

vim or go home

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

I have Windows; but I often have to deal with Mac's in my job (I work as an IT technician). I would say the basic use of a Mac is easier than Windows, but when it comes to problems, I have so far had quite a few more serious ones with Mac's than Windows. This is obviously just my experiences though.

zaku101

I find that hard to belv...

I've spent a few years repairing mac and pc problems including repairing phones, tablets and hardware.

It's extremely rare for the mac software to mess up compared to windows, if anything fails on the mac its going to be the hardware which is normal. On the software side you'd have to actually try messing up your mac. Windows on the other hand could be messed up in the first week of use by the casual user.

For the normal user Macs are amazing, for the advance user they're a limitation.
 

Heck even the mac server is MUCH easier to setup than a windows server.

/ typical apple brainwashing 

>_>

Seems I've touched on a sore subject with some people. Only by asking who owns a mac. oopsoverhead_drums

Never owned a mac, never even used one. However, I'm sick of Windows. As of today, I just ran into a major issue. I wake up, leaving my computer on overnight as I usually do, wake up and voila, my Windows becomes completely and entirely unresponsive, even though I did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. 

Makes you very angry when this happens.  

Never owned a mac, never even used one. However, I'm sick of Windows. As of today, I just ran into a major issue. I wake up, leaving my computer on overnight as I usually do, wake up and voila, my Windows becomes completely and entirely unresponsive, even though I did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. 

Makes you very angry when this happens.  

SystemsGO

Sounds like time for linux.

My linux box had been up for over a year until a storm knocked out my power

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

I have Windows; but I often have to deal with Mac's in my job (I work as an IT technician). I would say the basic use of a Mac is easier than Windows, but when it comes to problems, I have so far had quite a few more serious ones with Mac's than Windows. This is obviously just my experiences though.

GummiRaccoon

I find that hard to belv...

I've spent a few years repairing mac and pc problems including repairing phones, tablets and hardware.

It's extremely rare for the mac software to mess up compared to windows, if anything fails on the mac its going to be the hardware which is normal. On the software side you'd have to actually try messing up your mac. Windows on the other hand could be messed up in the first week of use by the casual user.

For the normal user Macs are amazing, for the advance user they're a limitation.
 

Heck even the mac server is MUCH easier to setup than a windows server.

As an advanced Mac user and admin, I can say safely that your whole post is wrong. 

We get equally as many desktop support tickets for macs and windows PCs, while we only have half as many Macs.  

The problems that macs have are much less straight forward to fix than PCs.  The macs are not easier for the users to use, they like them because they are trendy.

OSX 10.8 has a bug that will crash your application just by typing a few short characters.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with VNC and windows.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with powerPC apps without any documentation from apple, goodbye rosetta stone, we hardly knew you.

There was a recent printing bug that would crash your application any time you tried to change any printing options from word.

good luck getting macs to seemlessly use account tracking on a konica printer.

The environment I work in is IT team and staff uses Windows, all students use Macs. The only time we actually get a mac in is due to a dead HDD. I haven't experienced any of those issues but it's most likely due to the user being a simple user "Student" only web browsing and using M$ office.

When we gave the Students windows based PC we'd have them coming in with random viruses and software issues all the time. Some of them even uninstalled their drivers or used the wrong ones.

Heck people call us in because they don't know what to do when they didn't shut windows down right, safe mode or not?

So I still stand by my point that if the user is a casual/student user, the Mac is the way to go, much harder to break.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Apple has a robust server setup actually. kraken2109

nah bro

Trust me a Mac server is actually much easier to setup than a windows server.  If you download the app made for it "OS X Server" it's so easy your mom could do it. It basically does everything for you. Here's how it looks like once you run it.

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

nah bro

zaku101

Trust me a Mac server is actually much easier to setup than a windows server. If you download the app made for it "OS X Server" it's so easy your mom could do it.

You clearly do not know what robust means.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

I find that hard to belv...

I've spent a few years repairing mac and pc problems including repairing phones, tablets and hardware.

It's extremely rare for the mac software to mess up compared to windows, if anything fails on the mac its going to be the hardware which is normal. On the software side you'd have to actually try messing up your mac. Windows on the other hand could be messed up in the first week of use by the casual user.

For the normal user Macs are amazing, for the advance user they're a limitation.
 

Heck even the mac server is MUCH easier to setup than a windows server.

zaku101

As an advanced Mac user and admin, I can say safely that your whole post is wrong. 

We get equally as many desktop support tickets for macs and windows PCs, while we only have half as many Macs.  

The problems that macs have are much less straight forward to fix than PCs.  The macs are not easier for the users to use, they like them because they are trendy.

OSX 10.8 has a bug that will crash your application just by typing a few short characters.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with VNC and windows.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with powerPC apps without any documentation from apple, goodbye rosetta stone, we hardly knew you.

There was a recent printing bug that would crash your application any time you tried to change any printing options from word.

good luck getting macs to seemlessly use account tracking on a konica printer.

The environment I work in is IT team and staff uses Windows, all students use Macs. The only time we actually get a mac in is due to a dead HDD. I haven't experienced any of those issues but it's most likely due to the user being a simple user "Student" only web browsing and using M$ office.

When we gave the Students windows based PC we'd have them coming in with random viruses and software issues all the time. Some of them even uninstalled their drivers or used the wrong ones.

Heck people call us in because they don't know what to do when they didn't shut windows down right, safe mode or not?

So I still stand by my point that if the user is a casual/student user, the Mac is the way to go, much harder to break.

what is deep freeze?  what is administrator rights?

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

As an advanced Mac user and admin, I can say safely that your whole post is wrong. 

We get equally as many desktop support tickets for macs and windows PCs, while we only have half as many Macs.  

The problems that macs have are much less straight forward to fix than PCs.  The macs are not easier for the users to use, they like them because they are trendy.

OSX 10.8 has a bug that will crash your application just by typing a few short characters.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with VNC and windows.

OSX 10.7 and 10.8 broke compatibility with powerPC apps without any documentation from apple, goodbye rosetta stone, we hardly knew you.

There was a recent printing bug that would crash your application any time you tried to change any printing options from word.

good luck getting macs to seemlessly use account tracking on a konica printer.

 

GummiRaccoon

The environment I work in is IT team and staff uses Windows, all students use Macs. The only time we actually get a mac in is due to a dead HDD. I haven't experienced any of those issues but it's most likely due to the user being a simple user "Student" only web browsing and using M$ office.

When we gave the Students windows based PC we'd have them coming in with random viruses and software issues all the time. Some of them even uninstalled their drivers or used the wrong ones.

Heck people call us in because they don't know what to do when they didn't shut windows down right, safe mode or not?

So I still stand by my point that if the user is a casual/student user, the Mac is the way to go, much harder to break.

what is deep freeze?  what is administrator rights?

All students are given full control of their laptops they own it not us. We just supply them.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

The environment I work in is IT team and staff uses Windows, all students use Macs. The only time we actually get a mac in is due to a dead HDD. I haven't experienced any of those issues but it's most likely due to the user being a simple user "Student" only web browsing and using M$ office.

When we gave the Students windows based PC we'd have them coming in with random viruses and software issues all the time. Some of them even uninstalled their drivers or used the wrong ones.

Heck people call us in because they don't know what to do when they didn't shut windows down right, safe mode or not?

So I still stand by my point that if the user is a casual/student user, the Mac is the way to go, much harder to break.

zaku101

what is deep freeze?  what is administrator rights?

All students are given full control of their laptops they own it not us. We just supply them.

why would you do that

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"] All I know is every network guy i've met hates apple :PGummiRaccoon

Trust me a Mac server is actually much easier to setup than a windows server. If you download the app made for it "OS X Server" it's so easy your mom could do it.

You clearly do not know what robust means.

Yeah its called me not having to install a million extra addons just to setup an exchange server...

The Mac server has time machine built into it making it much more robust in case of data failure of any kind, it backs up data and even allows you to recover at many different dates and times. This isn't a crappy windows restore it's a whole OS restore. Heck all current Mac OS have the server built into them. Meaning hey do you have Mountain lion installed on your mac? If yes you've already got the mountain lion server built in.

Also the built in Mac OS deployment server option makes windows deployment server look   ancient.

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

what is deep freeze?  what is administrator rights?

GummiRaccoon

All students are given full control of their laptops they own it not us. We just supply them.

why would you do that

Why would you pay for something you can't install anything on? The school makes extra money off of students actually getting them through us.

However the student lab computers do have deep freeze on them.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

Trust me a Mac server is actually much easier to setup than a windows server. If you download the app made for it "OS X Server" it's so easy your mom could do it.

zaku101

You clearly do not know what robust means.

Yeah its called me not having to install a million extra addons just to setup an exchange server...

The Mac server has time machine built into it making it much more robust in case of data failure of any kind, it backs up data and even allows you to recover at many different dates and times. This isn't a crappy windows restore it's a whole OS restore. Heck all current Mac OS have the server built into them. Meaning hey do you have Mountain lion installed on your mac? If yes you've already got the mountain lion server built in.

Also the built in Mac OS deployment server option makes windows deployment server look   ancient.

what is pxe

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

You clearly do not know what robust means.

GummiRaccoon

Yeah its called me not having to install a million extra addons just to setup an exchange server...

The Mac server has time machine built into it making it much more robust in case of data failure of any kind, it backs up data and even allows you to recover at many different dates and times. This isn't a crappy windows restore it's a whole OS restore. Heck all current Mac OS have the server built into them. Meaning hey do you have Mountain lion installed on your mac? If yes you've already got the mountain lion server built in.

Also the built in Mac OS deployment server option makes windows deployment server look   ancient.

what is pxe

What is pressing the option key on any mac and then being given a list of images to install or use as a live os without even needing to PXE boot to get a list?

The Mac can even time machine recover Via Network in a matter of minutes.

I've had an iMac and a MacBook Pro. I sold the Pro a few months back for cash. I really like Apple computers. My MacBook was always there when my PC wasn't (constantly RMAing). Apple computers in my opinion are way more reliable. I mean, when dealing with custom build rigs it's a different story I guess. You'll either receive a dead part or something throughout the bulding process doesn't pan out as planned. Macs are just always good.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

Yeah its called me not having to install a million extra addons just to setup an exchange server...

The Mac server has time machine built into it making it much more robust in case of data failure of any kind, it backs up data and even allows you to recover at many different dates and times. This isn't a crappy windows restore it's a whole OS restore. Heck all current Mac OS have the server built into them. Meaning hey do you have Mountain lion installed on your mac? If yes you've already got the mountain lion server built in.

Also the built in Mac OS deployment server option makes windows deployment server look   ancient.

zaku101

what is pxe

What is pressing the option key on any mac and then being given a list of images to install or use as a live os without even needing to PXE boot to get a list?

The Mac can even time machine recover Via Network in a matter of minutes.

"without even needing to pxe boot"

Is that hard for you or something?

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

what is pxe

GummiRaccoon

What is pressing the option key on any mac and then being given a list of images to install or use as a live os without even needing to PXE boot to get a list?

The Mac can even time machine recover Via Network in a matter of minutes.

"without even needing to pxe boot"

Is that hard for you or something?

Just saying it's nice being able to just press one key at boot then getting a list of bootable images in under a second from the mac server. Its not that it's hard, its just outdated, slower and an extra step not needed.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

What is pressing the option key on any mac and then being given a list of images to install or use as a live os without even needing to PXE boot to get a list?

The Mac can even time machine recover Via Network in a matter of minutes.

zaku101

"without even needing to pxe boot"

Is that hard for you or something?

Just saying it's nice being able to just press one key at boot then getting a list of bootable images in under a second from the mac server. Its not that it's hard, its just outdated, slower and an extra step not needed.

You are implying that to pxe boot, it takes more than one key.  this is not the case.

after reading the windows vs macs, just shows you how much people really know what a hardware problem is and a software problem is, and blame it on the windows os which is just stupid.

like my dads PC the power supply went bad and corrupted the HDD data, so i got a new power supply for it and re-installed windows and everything up and running again. my dads co worker who is a mac fanboy, told him to get a mac because "you will never have this kind of problems" and i told my dad that he doesn't know anything about computers, hardware will fail on any PC ( yes macs are PCs) no matter if its a mac PC, custom built PC, or pre built PC.

after reading the windows vs macs, just shows you how much people really know what a hardware problem is and a software problem is, and blame it on the windows os which is just stupid.

 

like my dads PC the power supply went bad and corrupted the HDD data, so i got a new power supply for it and re-installed windows and everything up and running again. my dads co worker who is a mac fanboy, told him to get a mac because "you will never have this kind of problems" and i told my dad that he doesn't know anything about computers, hardware will fail on any PC ( yes macs are PCs) no matter if its a mac PC, custom built PC, or pre built PC.

msfan1289

Imacs have a higher hardware failure rate because all their stuff is crammed into a tiny poorly cooled space.  

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

_SKatEDiRt_

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

_SKatEDiRt_

That's funny because the vast majority of software developers I know use some distro of linux followed by osx, with windows 7 being a distant 3rd.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

NailedGR

That's funny because the vast majority of software developers I know use some distro of linux followed by osx, with windows 7 being a distant 3rd.

Shes just some rich girl that had some to drink and is talking out her ***. so dont worry, your more knowledgable haha

Big Mac and fries are better.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

kraken2109

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

Toxic-Seahorse

I'd argue that a tablet would serve that user group better.

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I had my friends girlfriend try and tell me that macs are better lastnight when i was at their house.( she said theyre better because its like a video game and windows is for developers only.) i LOLed and SMHed

Toxic-Seahorse

Not completely true, I know a lot of developers that roll with macs, even more so macbook airs with linux on them

Wow, this kinda went off topic. I was just wondering who actually owned a mac and their opinion based on ownership and what they use it for. For me, syncing up iCal with everyone in the office and with my phone is a lifesaver and it mega easy. Also you can't get logic on a pc which is a deal breaker. That along with NI maschine makes the mac perfect for music workshops.overhead_drums

you can get logic on pc. a pc is way more logical

[QUOTE="overhead_drums"]Wow, this kinda went off topic. I was just wondering who actually owned a mac and their opinion based on ownership and what they use it for. For me, syncing up iCal with everyone in the office and with my phone is a lifesaver and it mega easy. Also you can't get logic on a pc which is a deal breaker. That along with NI maschine makes the mac perfect for music workshops._SKatEDiRt_

you can get logic on pc. a pc is way more logical

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="overhead_drums"]Wow, this kinda went off topic. I was just wondering who actually owned a mac and their opinion based on ownership and what they use it for. For me, syncing up iCal with everyone in the office and with my phone is a lifesaver and it mega easy. Also you can't get logic on a pc which is a deal breaker. That along with NI maschine makes the mac perfect for music workshops.overhead_drums

you can get logic on pc. a pc is way more logical

A joke if you will

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] This is the main problem with macs, 90% of the users know nothing.way2funny

Not completely true, I know a lot of developers that roll with macs, even more so macbook airs with linux on them

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

"without even needing to pxe boot"

Is that hard for you or something?

GummiRaccoon

Just saying it's nice being able to just press one key at boot then getting a list of bootable images in under a second from the mac server. Its not that it's hard, its just outdated, slower and an extra step not needed.

You are implying that to pxe boot, it takes more than one key.  this is not the case.

Sure you can set pxe to boot without any key presses, however pxe boot will neve be faster than the Mac servers image deployment. The mac skips the need  to pxe boot just to get a list of ISO to install. This is what I am really implying.  The second you turn on the mac it can pull up a list of ISOs from your sever to deploy, there is no need to pxe boot just to wait to get a list of ISOs. 

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]

after reading the windows vs macs, just shows you how much people really know what a hardware problem is and a software problem is, and blame it on the windows os which is just stupid.

 

like my dads PC the power supply went bad and corrupted the HDD data, so i got a new power supply for it and re-installed windows and everything up and running again. my dads co worker who is a mac fanboy, told him to get a mac because "you will never have this kind of problems" and i told my dad that he doesn't know anything about computers, hardware will fail on any PC ( yes macs are PCs) no matter if its a mac PC, custom built PC, or pre built PC.

GummiRaccoon

Imacs have a higher hardware failure rate because all their stuff is crammed into a tiny poorly cooled space.  

That's false, they only have hardware problems because thats the only real problem theyre actually know to have, it's almost never software. This is normal hardware over time will fail but Saying Macs fail more than Windows based laptops is a joke, your comparing a company that only makes a few set of laptops to like dell which makes many different lines of laptops and doesn't take the time to make sure everythings perfect.