Why do older Game Consoles and VHS movies look superior on non-HDTVs?

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#1 ffxfanforever
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Why do older Game Consoles and VHS movies look superior on non-HDTVs?

I recently bought a dreamcast and N64.

I have a 32" Toshiba 720p lcd hdtv. I also have a 32" sony trinitron. The games look like crap on the hdtv, and look great on the standard definition tv.

Same goes for the Nintendo Wii, VHs movies, and pretty much every other console made before this gen.

Why is it that these things look like crap on an HDTV? Are my settings wrong? Is it because they weren't intended for an HDTV, or is it simply because of different resolutions?

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#2 Vesica_Prime
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Its like running a 320x240 PC game on a 1900x1200 monitor. The graphics will have to stretch which gives it plenty of jaggies, but if you play it on non-HD the graphics won't stretch.

EDIT: Only consoles capable of true HD (360, PS3) look better on HD TV as they have a native resolution of 1280x720.

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#3 shawty1984
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Its like running a 320x240 PC game on a 1900x1200 monitor. The graphics will have to stretch which gives it plenty of jaggies, but if you play it on non-HD the graphics won't stretch.

EDIT: Only consoles capable of true HD (360, PS3) look better on HD TV as they have a native resolution of 1280x720.

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True HD?

The PS3 and Xbox 360 both output at 1920 x 1080 1080p.

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#4 Vesica_Prime
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My mistake I was using game's native resolutions but the fact remains that if you run a low res game on a HDTV you'll get inferior quality when compared to a non HDTV.

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#5 XaosII
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It has nothing to do with HDTV's at all.

It has more to do with the type of technologies in recent tv's and their large size. Both plasma tvs and LCD tv's do not display a very good imagae if not set at their native resolution. Each pixel must be a pixel big otherwise there are scaling and display issues. Add to that the large size of modern tvs compared to older CRTs, and the distortion becomes more apparent.

There were many, many devices capable of displaying past HD resolution even during the 1990's. But the problems you are describing didnt really exist. Thats because everyone was using CRT's which are superior at handling high and low resolution content.

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#6 Javieralijandro
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It might have to do with the resolution your trying to put on lets say an atari, 4:3 my man. You cant make the 1980s beast run at 16:9 at 720.
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#7 ffxfanforever
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Can you link me a good CRT tv with an HD resolution? I'd much rather have that than an HD Plasma or LCD it sounds.

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#8 Gregoroth
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It's because the source is low resolution, designed for use with old 480/576i standards. On an old TV, you're only seeing a low resolution (or a certain amount of lines) in the image so Standard Definition sources look sharp. If you watch those sources on an HDTV, the image can look very soft and lack any kind of clarity because there was only so much detail available in the first place. The amount of lines/pixels available has increased thus SD content looks progressively worse the higher the resolution of the TV.

For content to look any where near as clear or sharp as it was you'd have to watch it in a small window.

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#9 rastan
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Can you link me a good CRT tv with an HD resolution? I'd much rather have that than an HD Plasma or LCD it sounds.

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Unfortunately CRT is long gone. CRT was better in one sense in that it was capable of displaying all sorts of resolutions "natively." Today's fixed pixel technologies really can only display their native resolution. Anything else needs to be scaled to that resolution. Fortunately my Sony Rear projection 54" HDTV is still in operation and it does a very good job at displaying all sorts of resolutions. It still upscales, but it doesn't distort the image to get resolutions to fit across pixels as the fixed pixel displays do. After reading this I confuse myself:-)
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#10 left2live4ever
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non HD consoles (PS2 and Wii) and standard definition tv chanels all look great on my 32 inch Samsung LCD HDTV I prefer it to crt tv's. I think it must dependent on the tv and I also use component cables.

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#11 rastan
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Your TV may have a good upscaler. However, most SD television I've seen still looks best on CRT based displays with the caveat of those displays being HD with good scalers also (The Sony and Mitsubishi sets come to mind).
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#12 brandontwb
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I agree. Wii looked A LOT better on an SDTV with component cables (still 480i but with sharper picture and less artifacts), and it looks very good. On an HDTV, it's a blurry mess. Same goes for Halo 3, but not to the same extent.
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#13 rogelio22
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[QUOTE="rastan"][QUOTE="ffxfanforever"]

Can you link me a good CRT tv with an HD resolution? I'd much rather have that than an HD Plasma or LCD it sounds.

Unfortunately CRT is long gone. CRT was better in one sense in that it was capable of displaying all sorts of resolutions "natively." Today's fixed pixel technologies really can only display their native resolution. Anything else needs to be scaled to that resolution. Fortunately my Sony Rear projection 54" HDTV is still in operation and it does a very good job at displaying all sorts of resolutions. It still upscales, but it doesn't distort the image to get resolutions to fit across pixels as the fixed pixel displays do. After reading this I confuse myself:-)

most crts were only enhanced definition not true 720p hd! i think the maximum output was 540p or 1080i!!! still 720p >>>> 540p or 1080i so no crts werent the best!!!
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#14 romans828_2002
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The reason why CRT TVs are gone is because of the weight. 200 lbs for a 32 inch television is too heavy, and they could not make sets bigger because they'd be way to heavy. My plasma screen makes everything sharper, including artifacts and distortion, so the image is sharper, but looks worse at the same time.
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#15 Lehgavader
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Is it possible that some time in the future, someone will create a fix for all this resolution stuff that makes old content look good again? Or will all our old game consoles, VHS, etc. just be left to rot away.

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#16 ffxfanforever
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Is it possible that some time in the future, someone will create a fix for all this resolution stuff that makes old content look good again? Or will all our old game consoles, VHS, etc. just be left to rot away.

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same ^
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#17 rastan
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There were actually 720p/1080i (yes 1080i on a CRT is worthwhile unlike on fixed panels)/1080p CRT's. Of course they were heavy, expensive, and big. It cost a lot to ship them and was harder for stores to carry stock. Even more importantly CRT's took up valuable real estate in our homes. People need to realize there is more to picture quality than just resolution. I've seen a 720p 50" Kuros plasma that would put to shame pretty much any TV of any resolution sold at Best Buy. With fixed pixel displays the biggest issue is the scaling. Scalers have gotten better, but ultimately the limitation is the exact number of pixels available. You can't just use up "part of a pixel" in these displays and hence you get some artifacting when playing any resolution that isn't the native resolution of the set. The fix will be that ultimately most of our content will be HD. Old stuff will hopefuily be remastered and our old home videos will still still stink:-)
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#18 Hipfireassasin
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Oblivion on 360 looked pretty good on my sony trinitron 32" SD TV with the red, blue, green video inputs.
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#19 rastan
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It was probably component video at 480p.